Top 400 All Time Greats

[tanibanana]

A for input/effort
Z for output/list

[harrygreb]

give the guy a break - its a daunting enterprise even if you f... it up completely (which he didnt)

[Goodnight, Irene]

give the guy a break - its a daunting enterprise even if you f... it up completely (which he didnt)

There are some glaring mistakes, but, if I'm honest --- compiling a list this exhaustive myself, I have to suspect one could say the same of my handiwork, somewhere along the line.

[harrygreb]

i'm certainly not crazy enough to try it

[jimglen]

found this on the internet, a pretty good and inclusive attempt at many europian greats...

EUROPA
Norge: Peter Sanstøl, Terry Martin, Otto von Porat.

Sverige: Ingemar Johansson, Harry Persson, Olle Tandberg, George Scott, Armand Kranjc.

Danmark: Battling Nelson, Kid Williams, Johnny Bredahl, Dick Nelson, Mikkel Kessler, Tom Bogs, Harry Pierce, Waldemar Holberg, Pete Hartley, Knud Larsen, Jørgen Hansen, Gert Bo Jacobsen, Børge Krogh, Søren Søndegård, Brian Nielsen.

England: Bob Fitzsimmons, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Owen Moran, Lennox Lewis, Jack "Kid" Berg, Len Harvey, Freddie Mills, Peter Kane, Lloyd Honeyghan, Ricky Hatton, Naseem Hamed, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Terry Downes, Clinton Woods, Matt Wells, Jock McAvoy, Alan Minter, Joe Bowker, John Stracey, John Conteh, Randy Turpin... mange flere her.

Wales: Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Jim Driscoll, Howard Winstone, Joe Calzaghe, Tommy Farr, Johnny Basham, Johnny Owen.

Irland: "Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey, Jack McAuliffe, Peter Maher, Rinty Monaghan, Barry McGuigan, Tom McCormick, Steve Collins, Mike Donovan.

Skottland: Ken Buchanan, Benny Lynch, Jackie Paterson, Murray Sutherland, Tommy Milligan, Jim Watt, Bert Gilroy, Scott Harrison, Walter McGowan, Elky Clark, Peter Keenan, Alex Arthur, Pat Clinton, Gary Jacobs.

Tyskland: Max Schmeling, Walter Neusel, Eric Seeling, Henry Maske, Sven Ottke, Graciano Rocchigiani,Eckhard Dagge, Adolf Hauser, Gustav Scholz, Karl Mildenberger, Lothar Abend, Rudy Unholz, Gustav Eder, Jupp Besselmann, Young Mahoney, Felix Sturm.

Franrike: Georges Carpentier, Marcel Cerdan, Lurent Daunthuille, Marcel Thil, Eugene Criqui, Robert Villemain, Andre Routis, Bruno Girard, Laurent Boudouani, Jean Baptiste Mendy, Jean Marc Mormeck, Fabrice Tiozzo, Julien Lorcy.

Italia: Nino Benvenuti, Young Corbett III, Duilio Loi, Primo Carnera, Mario D'Agata, Patrizio Olivia, Gianfranco Rosi, Vito Auntofermo, Sumbu Kalambay, Sandro Lopopolo, Sandro Mazzingi, Francesco Damiani, Rocky Mattioli, Antonio Puddu.

Spania: Paolino Uzcudun, Baltasar Sangchili, Jose Duran, Javier Castillejo, Miguel Velasquez, Pedro Carrasco, Fred Galina, Juan Melero, Roberto Castanon.

Polen: Darius Michalchzewski, Andrew Golota, Thomaz Adamek, Krystov Wlodarczyk.

Russland: Kostya Tszyu, Louis "Kid" Kaplan, Yuri Arbachakov, Oleg Maskaev, Nikolai Valuev, Roman Kazmarin.

Ukraina: Wladimir Klitchko, Benny Bass, Vitali Klitchko, Vladimir Sidorenko.

Ungarn: Laszlo Papp, Zsolt Erdei, Istvan "Ko-ko" Kovacs.

Belgia: Karel Sys, Gustave Roth, Jean Marc Renard, Arthur Wyns, Rene DeVos, Jean Sneyers, Pete Hoban, Henri Scille, Felix Wouters, Francois Sybille.

Finland: Gunnar Barlund, Amin Asikainen, Ellis Ask.

Sveits: Frank Erne, Mauro Martelli.

[Crease]

8] Ali
9] Louis
11] Charles
14] R.Leonard
17] Moore
19] Tunney
20] Jack Johnson
31] Marciano
32] Jack Dempsey
39] L.Lewis
47] Holyfield
48] Mayweather Jnr
53] Calzaghe
54] Hopkins
63] Dick Tiger
64] Conn
70] Kid Chocolate
73] Cerdan
74] Jeffries
89] Tyson
91] Liston
113]La Motta
114]Foreman
115]Frazier
119]Pacquiao
121]Jersey Joe Walcott
162]Toney
174]McGuigan
185]Hamed
198]Eubank
233]Cocoa Kid
255]Norton
266]Monaghan
271]Tszyu
304]Jose Torres
327]Castillo
346]Ottke
365]Wlad Klitschko
397]Kessler

Congratulations on a superb list... If someone wanted to learn about boxing, certainly you would show them that list and ask them to watch each of the fighters at least 3 times...

The inevitable thing about a list as extensive as this, is that everyone will disagree with the pecking order.

NO-ONE will have 400 boxers in the seem order.

I am going to comment about these fighters and your ranking of them...
(sorry to nitpick, but it's all part of the game, dude.

[Crease]

8] Ali & 9] Louis
People will always disagree about these boxers... (Especially with Ali) and the old arguement of who would win? Is a burden in both of their legacys.
In my opinion Ali should be in the top 5

11] Charles & [121]Jersey Joe Walcott
Charles and Walcott are usually measured in equal footing... (Maybe Charles acheivements are more impressive due to his Light Heavyweight exploits, but generally, Walcott is considered the greater Heavyweight).... But a gap of 111 places is incredible...

14] R.Leonard
Definitely in the top 20 of all time... Personally I'd rank him a little higer.

17] Moore
Would be in my top 10.

19] Tunney
Tunney is rated far, far too highly...

20] Jack Johnson & 31] Marciano & 32] Jack Dempsey
Johnson in rated too highly.
Dempsey rated about right.
Marciano should be rated higher... The PERFECT record against a good quality of opponents.

39] L.Lewis
This is nothing short of a scandal... He wouldn't be in my top 50. In my opinion, the most overrated Heavyweight of all time.

47] Holyfield
Should be ahead of Lewis.

48] Mayweather Jnr
Floyd in your top 50, eh? HMMMM.

53] Calzaghe
Should be in the top 50, in my opinion.

54] Hopkins
Rated very highly, perhaps justly.

63] Dick Tiger
One of the forgotten greates, he would be in my 50-100 too.

64] Conn
A very under-rated Light Heavyweight.

70] Kid Chocolate
Would be rated in my top 50.

73] Cerdan


74] Jeffries
Way, way too high... Shouldn't be above the likes of Tyson, Frazier or Foreman.

89] Tyson
Should be higher. WAAY higher.

91] Liston
Maybe a lower...

113]La Motta
Would be in my top 100.

114]Foreman & 115]Frazier
Would DEFINITELY be in my top 100.

119]Pacquiao
A modern day legend.

162]Toney
Wouldn't be in my top 200.

174]McGuigan
Maybe could be in the top 160.

185]Hamed
Rated too highly. Maybe his standard of opposition could be questioned.

198]Eubank
Too high.

255]Norton
Too low. Liston shouldn't be 150 places above him...

266]Monaghan
I'm a little biased as he was a friend of my grandfather. But I'd put Rinty in the top 200.

271]Tszyu
Very underrated.

304]Jose Torres
Should be in the top 200 EASY!

327]Castillo
Should be higher.

346]Ottke
His record alone in is the only thing that carries him up to here.

365]Wlad Klitschko
Shouldn't be entered.

397]Kessler
DEFINITELY should not be entered.
He won the world title, then lost it... Won it again, then lost it again.
Are you going to include Chris Byrd as well.

[crusader]

^

If you think Calzaghe should be in the top 50, why isn't Mayweather deserving?

[Crease]

I would pit Mayweather in my top 50.


If Pacquaio beats Clottey and then beat Mayweather, he's going into my top 50...

I don't care what anybody says.

[Goodnight, Irene]

No way, no how, no Sir is Calzaghe above Mayweather, all-time. Guys, please stop analysing the last two or three years of current boxers' legacies.

An obvious disparity in actual ability aside, Mayweather's career, taken as a whole, is dramatically better than Calzaghe's.

[dom74]

Thats a great effort . Personally i think the gap between Floyd and pac is too great and Honeygan over Curry? Surely you dont mean Lloyd Honeygan, hes far too high IMO, superb effort though

[Goodnight, Irene]

I never supported the idea of Louis or Ali being legitimate top-10 all-time, either, but to each, his own.

[jezzamundo]

I don't think Calzaghe should be top 50, seeing as he only really stepped it up for the last couple of years of his career.

Mayweather should be top 50 by now, top 15 if he beats Mosely and Pacquiao.

I think Pacquiao is already top 20, top 10 if he beats Clottey and Mayweather.

[Crease]

I don't think Calzaghe should be top 50

I disagree, Joe did enough in his career to be up there.

Mayweather should be top 50 by now, top 15 if he beats Mosely and Pacquiao.

But I reckon his record will diminish if he loses his 0 sometime in the future.

I think Pacquiao is already top 20, top 10 if he beats Clottey and Mayweather.

I agree... He rates higher than Barrera or Morales.