2010 National Silver Gloves Results

[Local Talent]

Deyon Christy looked powerful. He had a tougher bout in the finals than in his semifinal matchup. Likley could have won via stoppage, but didn't let his hands go enough.

Dillion Mason got a few gifts in this tournament. I thought he was beat in his semi and final bout.

DC I wish we could have met up! Do you happen to have a copy of the Nigal Borne vs Gunnar Austin (14-15 201) from night 1, ring 3, bout 17 I believe?

[bigsweat]

Deyon Christy looked powerful. He had a tougher bout in the finals than in his semifinal matchup. Likley could have won via stoppage, but didn't let his hands go enough.

Dillion Mason got a few gifts in this tournament. I thought he was beat in his semi and final bout.

DC I wish we could have met up! Do you happen to have a copy of the Nigal Borne vs Gunnar Austin (14-15 201) from night 1, ring 3, bout 17 I believe?

well your certanly intitled to your view i felt the same way the last two years i thought dillon won his championship matches but it went the other way i havent got to see his other two fights but im sure they were tough and were close and he came out the winner and he will be backing it up in the jos so we look forward to facing the tough competition once again so he is very deserving of it

[bigsweat]

Deyon Christy looked powerful. He had a tougher bout in the finals than in his semifinal matchup. Likley could have won via stoppage, but didn't let his hands go enough.

Dillion Mason got a few gifts in this tournament. I thought he was beat in his semi and final bout.

DC I wish we could have met up! Do you happen to have a copy of the Nigal Borne vs Gunnar Austin (14-15 201) from night 1, ring 3, bout 17 I believe?

well your certanly intitled to your view i felt the same way the last two years i thought dillon won his championship matches but it went the other way i havent got to see his other two fights but im sure they were tough and were close and he came out the winner and he will be backing it up in the jos so we look forward to facing the tough competition once again so he is very deserving of it

i rewatched the champion ship fight a couple of times wich is on yuotube under 2010 silver gloves dylan mason and this was a great fight both fighters exchanging blows and countering dillons jab was efective though but what gave him the win was the last 30 seconds of each round he scored 3 to 4 points at the end of each round thats the dirty thirty and he got it done watch it on tape im sure you will agree with me they will meet again looking forward to it

[babyhuey]

I am Trying to keep this semi-positive so, all im going to say is,
anyone know the Ref who looks like Tiger Woods who was working in ring 1 ?

i have no idea where what Region he is from but, if being a good amateur boxing Ref is something he wants to persue,
i sure hope he can find someone to help him out ...

[boxmel]

My point is I think they should have an officials meeting and instruct the officials and coaches on just what they are looking for.

There is a standard criteria (as stated in the rule book) that all officials (are supposed to) follow. A scoring blow is landed with the white knuckle surface of the glove, in the scoring area (through the middle of the head, down the sides, and to the belt line) with no foul being committed. It's actually that simple - however, I agree that many judges do not adhere to that criteria - hence the problems in scoring.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

My point is I think they should have an officials meeting and instruct the officials and coaches on just what they are looking for.

There is a standard criteria (as stated in the rule book) that all officials (are supposed to) follow. A scoring blow is landed with the white knuckle surface of the glove, in the scoring area (through the middle of the head, down the sides, and to the belt line) with no foul being committed. It's actually that simple - however, I agree that many judges do not adhere to that criteria - hence the problems in scoring.

I'm pretty sure that they do have meetings, but I also think judges should be graded and held accountable for their scoring and that should determine if they are asked back again. If 4 judges see a bout 11-5, 15-9, 10-8 and 8-4 for one boxer, how can the last judge have the bout 15-1 for the other. That's the stuff that should be addressed. Right now they are not held accountable really. That's the only thing that I would like incorprated into tournaments, especially advancing.

[boxmel]

I'm pretty sure that they do have meetings,

Yep - before and during a tournament.

but I also think judges should be graded and held accountable for their scoring

A good ring captain will look at score cards and counsel judges accordingly.

and that should determine if they are asked back again.

This is an all-volunteer sport. Any Level 2 can work a national tournament, whether there way is paid by the region or by themselves. They don't have to be asked.

If 4 judges see a bout 11-5, 15-9, 10-8 and 8-4 for one boxer, how can the last judge have the bout 15-1 for the other. That's the stuff that should be addressed.

Sometimes it just depends on where the judge sits and what he/she can see that isn't being blocked by the referee or a boxer's back.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I'm pretty sure that they do have meetings,

Yep - before and during a tournament.

but I also think judges should be graded and held accountable for their scoring

A good ring captain will look at score cards and counsel judges accordingly.

and that should determine if they are asked back again.

This is an all-volunteer sport. Any Level 2 can work a national tournament, whether there way is paid by the region or by themselves. They don't have to be asked.

If 4 judges see a bout 11-5, 15-9, 10-8 and 8-4 for one boxer, how can the last judge have the bout 15-1 for the other. That's the stuff that should be addressed.

Sometimes it just depends on where the judge sits and what he/she can see that isn't being blocked by the referee or a boxer's back.

Oh, I didn't know that anyone could come and work the tourny. Learning is so fun.

But for level III and Level IV competitions aren't judges more scrutinized and not used if they are way out of line? I understand that it's a volunteer sport but there has to be a better way to weed out the judges that are not good and have no intentions on improving. I was told by an AIBA official at an invitational last year that several judges had no business being there. I know that in coaching, there are some coaches that are registered that have no business coaching and we can't do anything about it. . .but judges have the ability to do damage to a lot of boxers too. This is no way directed at the Silvers or any tournament in particular, but I just wish all the judges could be more on the same page at a tournament so that you knew what they are looking for. I agree that they should all be looking for the same thing, but they just aren't.

[boxmel]

Oh, I didn't know that anyone could come and work the tourny. Learning is so fun.

Yup - 'tis true. Anyone can work an advancing national tournament as long as they are a Level 2 (Golden Gloves is the exception).

But for level III and Level IV competitions aren't judges more scrutinized and not used if they are way out of line?

There is no Level 4 (probably AIBA). I think I've maybe seen two judges cut in the years I've been involved and that was because they were truly horrible. I guess the only "way out of line" scoring would be if a judge has totals in the 50s or 60s ( it really is difficult for a boxer to throw 30 or or 40 legal, effective punches in a round).

I understand that it's a volunteer sport but there has to be a better way to weed out the judges that are not good and have no intentions on improving.

The training starts at the local level - that's where a judge picks up bad habits and isn't either trained correctly to start with or isn't critiqued along the way. Since we are all volunteers, we can't be fired. And, unfortunately, the majority seem to have ego problems and you can't tell them anything. Sigh. It's really frustrating when you try and help an official to only have them defend their interpretation. Almost anyone can pass a test and become a Level 2 or 3 official. Unfortunately, this doesn't guarantee they know what they're doing in practice.

I was told by an AIBA official at an invitational last year that several judges had no business being there.

Yep - it bees that way all too often.

but I just wish all the judges could be more on the same page at a tournament so that you knew what they are looking or. I agree that they should all be looking for the same thing, but they just aren't.

Totally agree.

[ohioboxer]

NICO HERNANDEZ of Wichita, Kansas won his 4th straight National Silver Gloves decision win over Jordan White of Waldorf, Maryland!

http://www.examiner.com/x-35405-Wichita ... ves-finals

I actually got to see this fight and taking nothing away from Nico Hernandez he is a good fighter but i felt he lost the championship fight against Jordan White. Im from Region 2 and i dont know who Jordan White or his coach is. So im not being bias at all but thats just my opinion.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

NICO HERNANDEZ of Wichita, Kansas won his 4th straight National Silver Gloves decision win over Jordan White of Waldorf, Maryland!

http://www.examiner.com/x-35405-Wichita ... ves-finals

I actually got to see this fight and taking nothing away from Nico Hernandez he is a good fighter but i felt he lost the championship fight against Jordan White. Im from Region 2 and i dont know who Jordan White or his coach is. So im not being bias at all but thats just my opinion.

Three judges scored for Nico 13-9, 12-11, and 20-19. The two judges for Jordan scored it 12-10 and 15-11. So, the bout was decided by 1pt.

[Boxing Buddy]

How did you get the judges score? If so could you give me the scores from the following: Chris Valdez vs. Kashif Brown ; Elijah Green vs. Tyler Wilson ; and Manuael Rodriqez's final bout.

Thanks,

Clarence Green

[DCAmateurBoxing]

How did you get the judges score? If so could you give me the scores from the following: Chris Valdez vs. Kashif Brown ; Elijah Green vs. Tyler Wilson ; and Manuael Rodriqez's final bout.

Thanks,

Clarence Green

I didn't but his coach did. I just got them from that. I could try to get the scores.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Wat was more important? And if you win silver gloves are you ranked number 1?

You are ranked #1 ONLY by Silver Gloves. Due to the age differences between SG and the JOs, the SG does not factor into the USA Boxing JO rankings.

Geez Mel. That's all we have for the little guys, cut them some slack. For 10-14, it's the ONLY advancing tournament, so until USAB adds an advancing tournament for the younger boxers, which I would LOVE to see--that's it. The NSG is really the primer for advancing tournaments as a boxers first experience w/ holding weight over months, advancing to local, region and nationals and the fanfare of the NSG. Then they step up to JOs, then Under-19 then all the Open tourneys. However, IMO the "#1 in the US" by the NSG is definitely valid even for the 15-year-olds because the Silver Gloves Team won the National Junior Olympic Team trophy last year. There were 11 boxers who were part of the Silver Gloves Team-- 6 advanced to the finals and 4 were crowned champions. We will see how they do this year.

[Dennis]

DC lands a right, then a hook and another right and Mel is down. It doesn't look like she will be getting up. The fight is over. DC by KO!!!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Deyon Christy looked powerful. He had a tougher bout in the finals than in his semifinal matchup. Likley could have won via stoppage, but didn't let his hands go enough.

Dillion Mason got a few gifts in this tournament. I thought he was beat in his semi and final bout.

DC I wish we could have met up! Do you happen to have a copy of the Nigal Borne vs Gunnar Austin (14-15 201) from night 1, ring 3, bout 17 I believe?

I finally watched the Mason vs. Deloach bout and I don't always listen to a boxer's opinion of their bout & Justin told me that he thought he got a bad decision. I took it w/ a grain of salt. He is, however, THE MOST WELL-MANNERED BOXER THAT I'VE EVER MET. Last year, I got a chance to spend time w/ him at the NSG and he was without a coach (who was training one of his pros) but was a true gentleman throughout w/ no home supervision.

Anyhow I digress. . .I don't know what the hell the judges were looking at during this bout. He absolutely clearly won that bout. Mason boxed very well in his 1st bout vs. Taylor from Kronk, but he DID NOT beat Deloach. I gotta agree with you Local Talent. Wow, just wow. Maybe they will meet again at the JOs. I'm think they both may just make it to the Camp Lejune.