Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Randyman]

Rick, you might like this video. My cousin Raul Pacheco is one of the founding members of Ozomatli. They made this video a few years back. I don't really listen to hip hop style music but this one is pretty good.

City of Angels-Ozomatli

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN9vfaP0Jok

Randy

[dagosd2000]

There used to be a taco joint across from City College in San Diego called Ray's Taco Shop.It was about two blocks west of the Coliseum.Ray was quite a boy. All the area cats who dug good rolled tacos would pull up to the side,walk inside, and devour those tacos. You could hear them sizzling in the manteca a block away.

Ray had an offer. Anyone who could eat 20 of those babies didn't have to pay. Guess who didn't have to pay? But he'd only let you do that once.

[Randyman]

This one is for Roger



T.J...Circa 1985

Yeah Frank. Nothing has changed much since 1985

ONE BORDER...TWO WORLDS

There is no greater contrast betwen a border than the U.S. and Mexico. You could take that step further and say San Diego and Tijuana, the dividing line in between.San Diego isn't like other border towns on the U.S. side. Examples:El Paso,Yuma,Laredo. San Diego is plenty affluent. Yacht harbors,Sea World, fancy hotels along miles of beach,suburbs like LaJolla and Rancho Santa Fe exclusively for millionares. The aforementioned border towns are dusty and kind of blend in with their Mexican counterparts. San Diego is a tourist's dream.

Now look at that picture above of Tijuana. That's Tijuana just about wherever you go. Sure there's parts that are nice. The big shots live there,but TJ is a burg of around a million and a half. The rich cats are at the very top rung of a ladder that has about a million 4 hundred and fifty steps.

I used to live in a Colonia called Canyon Jhonson. That picture is a dead ringer for that place. I don't know where that is,but it's a copy of just about anywhere you go away from downtown. Hills and canyons,dirt roads,and plenty of poverty. No yacht harbors that I know of. But one thing you can find is Mexicans making the most of what little they have. I remember many a night hanging around in Canyon Jhonson listening to music with a bottle of beer in my hand with a bunch of guys joking around and having a good time. We didn't have much money,but we goofed off and everything was fine. Looking back, it was a happy time.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to live there again. I don't think anyone wants to live in Canyon Jhonson. Nobody wants to be poor. But if that's all you have,you find a way to keep joking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmSWdG9VL2E

Flor De Copomo

Carlos and Jose

Nice Rog, and poignant.

Randy

[Randyman]

There used to be a taco joint across from City College in San Diego called Ray's Taco Shop.It was about two blocks west of the Coliseum.Ray was quite a boy. All the area cats who dug good rolled tacos would pull up to the side,walk inside, and devour those tacos. You could hear them sizzling in the manteca a block away.

Ray had an offer. Anyone who could eat 20 of those babies didn't have to pay. Guess who didn't have to pay? But he'd only let you do that once.

Rog, I might have been able to do that years ago but not any more. Funny thing is, when I was young and thin I could really put it away, now my stomach is bigger and I can't eat half as much. I still try though.

Randy

[Rick Farris]

Tony Baltazar (L) sparring with one of Eddie Johnson's fighter whom name I don't recall

Olympic Gym, L.A., Ca.

Frank, I can see Eddie Johnson's rail thin body in the backgroung between Tony & the other kid.
He's standing on the ring apron, but his head is cut out of the photo.
Eddie passed away in 1994, same year as Johnny Flores, John Cabrera, Dr. Bernhart Schwartz & Jose Luis Martin Del Campo.


-Rick Farris

[dagosd2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCYDvH-FGe0

Amores Fingidos

Carlos Y Jose

[dagosd2000]

There used to be a taco joint across from City College in San Diego called Ray's Taco Shop.It was about two blocks west of the Coliseum.Ray was quite a boy. All the area cats who dug good rolled tacos would pull up to the side,walk inside, and devour those tacos. You could hear them sizzling in the manteca a block away.

Ray had an offer. Anyone who could eat 20 of those babies didn't have to pay. Guess who didn't have to pay? But he'd only let you do that once.

Rog, I might have been able to do that years ago but not any more. Funny thing is, when I was young and thin I could really put it away, now my stomach is bigger and I can't eat half as much. I still try though.

Randy

Randy
I can truthfully say today my eyes are bigger than my stomach. Also,my ability to reap the wind is more like a puff of smoke.

[kikibalt]

Tony Baltazar (L) sparring with one of Eddie Johnson's fighter whom name I don't recall

Olympic Gym, L.A., Ca.

Frank, I can see Eddie Johnson's rail thin body in the backgroung between Tony & the other kid.
He's standing on the ring apron, but his head is cut out of the photo.
Eddie passed away in 1994, same year as Johnny Flores, John Cabrera, Dr. Bernhart Schwartz & Jose Luis Martin Del Campo.


-Rick Farris

Rick...When I shot that pic I cut Eddie's head off....

[Rick Farris]

Jackie McCoy on Mando Ramos . . .

"Mando had so much talent. When he was sixteen, seventeen years old he was so good, I couldn't keep from chuckling when I watched him workout. I'd just be so happy with the way he looked, I'd tell myself, this kid is the kind of boxer you dream all your life of getting. Raul Rojas was the world featherweight champion at the time, but I'd put Mando in with him at the Hoover Street Gym, and here is this kid of sixteen, seventeen years old in this brutal life-and-death struggle with the world featherweight champion."

-Jackie McCoy
(from "In The Corner" by Dave Anderson)

[Rick Farris]

More on Mando . . .

"Mando had such geat stamina, but all of that went at an early age. I used to run a lot with my fighters and he was one the best runners. He could really run. I'd start out with him and he'd leave me standing still. But at the end, he got so bad that we were running once in Vegas and he crossed over to the other side of the street. I said, 'Hey Mando, what are you doing?' He said, "I'm not going to let anybody see an old man out run me."

"Don Jordan was another mess up. He had great ability but drank like a fish. One time in South America he passed out in the hall outside where we were staying. I couldn't carry him. I had to grab him by the feet and drag him into the room."

"Not only did Jordan drink, he was a chain smoker. Not many fighters do that. The guy never stopped smoking. But somehow he won the welterweight title. After he stopped boxing, he went to work on the docks. When I introduced him to Mando Ramos I said, 'You two guys have really got a lot in common You should both be rich, but your here working on the docks'. Then I said, I should also be rich, but I'm working down here on the docks, too."


-Jackie McCoy
("In The Corner" by Dave Anderson)

[Rick Farris]

Jackie McCoy's real name - Warren Spaw

[Rick Farris]

More from McCoy . . .

"I don't know why Mexicans make good fighters. I'm not into that. But maybe it's due to their ancestory. You very seldom see a Mexican fighter who isn't agressive, who doesn't have a lot of guts. Maybe the ones who become fighters grow up hard and develop that charactor. That confidence. That ego."


-Jackie McCoy
("In The Corner" by Dave Anderson)

[kikibalt]

Jackie McCoy

birth date 1923-10-04
death date 1997-01-15

division featherweight
stance orthodox

alias Warren Spaw

nationality United States
residence Hollywood, California, United States
birth place Oxnard, CA

won 35 (KO 10) + lost 11 (KO 3) + drawn 5 = 51
rounds boxed 338 KO% 19.61

date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
1951-01-16 127 Corky Gonzales 127 46-3-0
Denver, Colorado, United States L PTS 10 10

1950-11-10 127 Manuel Ortiz 131 92-23-3
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L UD 10 10
~ referee: Charley Randolph 54-56 | judge: Tommy Hart 53½-56½ | judge: Jack McDonald 52-58 ~

1950-08-29 Jimmy Dunn 18-13-3
San Jose, California, United States W KO 8

1950-07-04 Johnny Efhan 13-5-2
Stockton, California, United States W KO 5

1950-06-13 129 Eddie Chavez 133½ 21-1-2
San Jose, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1950-05-16 Eddie Chavez 21-0-2
San Jose, California, United States W PTS 10 10

1950-03-14 125½ Reuben Smith 122 14-1-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10
~ referee: Mushy Callahan 52½-57½ | judge: Johnny Indrisano 53-57 | judge: Lee Grossman 53-57 ~

1950-01-31 126 Johnny Efhan 125 11-4-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
~ referee: Charley Randolph 58-52 | judge: Lee Grossman 58½-51½ | judge: Frank Holborow 58½-51½ ~
McCoy was knocked down for a four-count in the 1st round.

1949-12-19 123 Cecil Schoonmaker 121 34-8-5
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States D PTS 10 10
~ referee: Jimmy Wallace 55-55 | judge: Tommy Hart 55-55 | judge: Frank Holborow 54½-55½ ~

1949-11-21 127½ Lawton DiSoso 131½ 30-30-9
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States W UD 10 10

1948-07-20 125 Lawton DiSoso 127 17-17-6
San Jose, California, United States W PTS 10 10

1948-06-11 120¾ Luis Castillo 120½ 62-26-7
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L MD 10 10
~ referee: Mushy Callahan 55-55 | judge: Dynamite Jackson 53-57 | judge: Charley Randolph 54½-55½ ~

1948-05-31 125 Lou Langley 125 17-24-2
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1948-04-06 Felix Ramirez 15-2-3
San Jose, California, United States W PTS 10 10

1948-03-16 126½ Harold Dade 123½ 26-4-3
San Jose, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1947-05-27 123½ Harold Dade 125 20-2-3
San Jose, California, United States L PTS 10 10
McCoy was knocked down four times.

1947-02-18 Ritchie Mendoza 19-3-3
San Jose, California, United States D PTS 10 10

1947-01-27 123½ Ritchie Mendoza 130 18-3-3
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1947-01-10 124 Kenji Nakasoni 120
War Memorial Auditorium, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1946-12-03 126 Andy Vasquez 126 18-15-10
Civic Auditorium, San Jose, California, United States W PTS 10 10

1946-10-01 123 Roque Ojeda 129
Civic Auditorium, San Jose, California, United States W KO 8 10

1946-09-10 123½ Speedy Cabanella 123½ 5-5-2
Civic Auditorium, San Jose, California, United States W PTS 10 10
~ referee: Billy Burke ~
McCoy was knocked down four times in the 6th round.

1946-08-20 124 Speedy Cabanella 135 4-5-1
Civic Auditorium, San Jose, California, United States D PTS 10 10
~ referee: Frankie Carter ~
McCoy was knocked down twice.

1946-07-29 125½ Dave Hernandez 127 18-16-6
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States L KO 1 10

1946-06-21 Alfredo Escobar 18-5-5
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1946-06-11 126 Earl Maynard 126 8-4-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W RTD 6 6
McCoy was knocked down for a nine-count in the 2nd round; Maynard did not come out for the 6th round, due to a cut on his lip.

1946-05-22 Bert White 25-24-4
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W TKO 9 10
~ time: 2:57 | referee: Frankie Van ~
White was knocked down twice in the 9th round.

1946-05-15 Romero Lopez 8-20-2
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-04-30 125¼ Fabela Chavez 128½ 10-2-0
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, United States L TKO 2 4
~ referee: Jack Dempsey ~
The bout was stopped after McCoy rose unsteady from a nine-count knockdown.

1946-04-17 Romero Lopez 6-18-2
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W PTS 6 6

1946-04-02 128½ Sal Sanchez 132½ 1-12-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-03-19 126½ Robert Ruperto Garcia 129 2-0-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-03-06 Sal Sanchez 1-11-1
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-02-26 130 Robert Ruperto Garcia 129 2-0-2
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4

1946-02-20 Luis Renteria 4-3-0
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-02-04 129 Luis Renteria 127 3-1-0
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-01-29 129 Pee Wee Lewis 126½ 12-39-4
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-01-23 Romero Lopez 5-12-2
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W KO 5 6

1946-01-16 Ciro Zurita 3-4-1
Municipal Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-01-14 129 Tony Becerra 131 5-2-1
Arena, Ocean Park, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1946-01-08 128 Alfredo Escobar 127 14-3-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1945-10-23 130 Tony Jackson 134 0-10-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 4 4

1945-05-19 Tommy Sevilla
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines D PTS 4 4

1945-05-12 Joe Ellis
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines W KO 3

1942-09-18 Torpedo Reed 0-2-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1942-03-27 121½ Bobby Nash 121 1-1-0
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 3 4

1942-03-13 118½ Alvin Red Barker 117½ 9-0-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States L KO 2 6
~ time: 2:45 ~
A right to the pit of the stomach, finished McCoy.

1942-03-06 Jimmy Mah 3-1-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1942-01-30 120½ Joe Calderon 122½ 0-3-1
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W TKO 2 4

1942-01-09 123½ Henry Espinosa 121½ 3-10-2
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1942-01-02 117 Felix Piquet 119¾ 8-13-7
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4

[scartissue]

Monica with a "Hollenbeck" Burrito, courtesy "El Tepeyak" ELA



El Tepeyak . . .

I felt like a little ELA and that's what I got today, not to mention a burrito so awesome that when you start to eat it, you can't stop even after your full beyond capacity.

When Monica and I walked up Evergreen to the restaurant there was a line, just as Randy promised.
However, we didn't wait long. I got a look at Manny Rojas, but chose not to bother him at lunch time.
By the way Randy, that T-shirt says "128 Pounds of Mean".

While waiting to order, I see a guy walk by with a tray holding the biggest burrito I ever laid eyes on.
I pointed it out to Monica, "That must be Maunel's Special?" The guy with the burrito smiled.
He said, "This is the Hollenbeck, the special is the big one."

Bigger than that? Sure enough, a few minutes later I see this guy carting out a gigantic burrito.
This burrito looked like a small heavy bag on an oversized plate. It would feed Monica and I for a week.
Monica and I split a "Hollenbeck" which was more than enough for both of us.

Let there be no doubt that restaurant is everything Randy claims. The food is the best!

After eating, I headed down first street to the "Flats", toward the river.
I then drove up to 4th street. I tried to imagine what it was like when Keeny Teran & Gil Cadilli walked the streets? I drove down Lorena, remember the Ressurection Gym used to be in the area, but I forgot where. I forgot where the Eastside B.C. was, on McConnell or something like that?

I'm always interested in anything posted relating to East Los Angeles.


-Rick Farris

Damn, Rick, you told me that it was a big burrito but that looks like a small dog on Monica's plate. Now you got me thinking of burritos. Hmmm... Chipolte's is around the corner from me.....

Scartissue

[scartissue]

More from McCoy . . .

"I don't know why Mexicans make good fighters. I'm not into that. But maybe it's due to their ancestory. You very seldom see a Mexican fighter who isn't agressive, who doesn't have a lot of guts. Maybe the ones who become fighters grow up hard and develop that charactor. That confidence. That ego."


-Jackie McCoy
("In The Corner" by Dave Anderson)

Rick, I think I remember that book. Didn't McCoy also comment on Rodolfo and Palomino?

Scartissue

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank you ever see Antonio Cervantes fight and what makes him such a legendary fighter,I started following boxing about the time he lost to AAron Pryor,I saw the fight but Cervantes was old at the time so I can't judge him off that fight

[kikibalt]

Frank you ever see Antonio Cervantes fight and what makes him such a legendary fighter,I started following boxing about the time he lost to AAron Pryor,I saw the fight but Cervantes was old at the time so I can't judge him off that fight

I seen his fight with Rodolfo Gonzalez live at the Olympic, didn't follow his career much, but from what I seen of him I though he was a good fighter, great?, I don't know about that, to be honest I didn't follow fighters careers as I was too busy doing my own thing.

[dagosd2000]

Abraham Lincoln

[THEHAMMER321]

Abraham Lincoln

Nice painting Rog of honest Abe,now for the other side of the coin have you done a painting of ''slick Willie''

[dagosd2000]

Abraham Lincoln

Nice painting Rog of honest Abe,now for the other side of the coin have you done a painting of ''slick Willie''

Paulie
I only paint people I admire. If you're talking about Bill Clinton,he ain't one of them.

[Rick Farris]

Scar . . . That was an "average" size El Tpeyac burrito. The "Manuel's Special" Randy describes is more than twice the size of the one in the photo.

[Rick Farris]

Abraham Lincoln

[bennie]

Cocky heavyweight prospect Derek Chisora kissed his opponent clean on the lips today at their weigh-in - Sheffield’s wholly unkissable Carl Baker, all 300 pounds of him. It triggered an inevitable melee which left the unbeaten Chisora on the floor and will surely inspire an even bigger effort from Baker, who holds a win over reigning British heavyweight king Danny Williams, at Wembley Arena tomorrow night when they tussle for real over 10 rounds.
One can hardly accuse Chisora of causing any actual damage to his opponent and, yes, his action may even prompt a last-minute dash for tickets on a bill plagued with matchmaking problems for weeks, particularly for Chisora himself.
However, the ‘politics’ of it all, the timing of it, is more convenient and just goes to show nothing ever changes in a ‘sport’ like boxing. At the magnificent MEN Arena in Manchester on April 3, Britain’s David Haye, who promotes himself, defends his WBA heavyweight title against John Ruiz; at the historic Alexandra Palace in London’s Wood Green on April 9, Britain’s Audley Harrison, promoted by Barry Hearn, challenges Albert Sosnowski of Poland for the European title, while in the States shortly, Britain’s Tyson Fury, a big white 21-year-old with talent to burn, promoted by Mick Hennessy, launches into a couple of much-anticipated fights. As for Chisora - you guessed it - he is promoted by the master of oneupmanship, F rank Warren.
A kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh...

[Randyman]

Scar . . . That was an "average" size El Tpeyac burrito. The "Manuel's Special" Randy describes is more than twice the size of the one in the photo.

Dan, I got this photo off of the internet. It might be hard to tell how big it is from the photo but it is huge. As I mentioned earlier I ate one and one half of these monsters.They do a great job with their guacamole too. Check out the serving.



Randy

[Randyman]

Abraham Lincoln

Nice painting Rog of honest Abe,now for the other side of the coin have you done a painting of ''slick Willie''

Paulie
I only paint people I admire. If you're talking about Bill Clinton,he ain't one of them.