N'dou pullout - other side of the story.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 17:18

I have been informed by a contact of mine in Australia that in fact things are not as N'dou would have everyone believe.

According to my source (who must remain nameless), who incidentally has no reason to profit from saying this, N'dou was fully aware of all terms before he got on the plane, and was warned by the Goosens that if he pulled out of the fight, he would be liable for all expenses incurred, but N'dou went there in the belief he could screw more money out of Hennessy as it was a last minute job, and that unfortunately, he was wrong and as a consquence he now has no fight.

As I said, things are rarely as black and white as N'dou was making out. Apparently he did the same thing with another promotional outift last year too.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 17 Feb 2005, 17:35

Interesting to think he would need to do such a thing.

I would imagine he would have the better selling name in this anyway, and whilst its been mentioned on another thread that other fighters have taken the smaller purse this has been against a champion or a bigger name fighter than themselves.

Either way I would imagine him to be worth bigger money even just to get him out of the way, and to make the division a little tighter at the top.
Witter needs all the advantages he can get to get his crack because he`s awkward enough to avoided by the TV company’s as well as the champions.

knightshadeau · Post by **knightshadeau** » 17 Feb 2005, 19:52

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I have been informed by a contact of mine in Australia that in fact things are not as N'dou would have everyone believe.

According to my source (who must remain nameless), who incidentally has no reason to profit from saying this, N'dou was fully aware of all terms before he got on the plane, and was warned by the Goosens that if he pulled out of the fight, he would be liable for all expenses incurred, but N'dou went there in the belief he could screw more money out of Hennessy as it was a last minute job, and that unfortunately, he was wrong and as a consquence he now has no fight.

As I said, things are rarely as black and white as N'dou was making out. Apparently he did the same thing with another promotional outift last year too.

Your source is ill informed. "Apparently" doesn't constitute fact. Of course, in order to prove no hidden agenda on their part, you would have to name them. lol

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 18 Feb 2005, 05:36

knightshadeau wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I have been informed by a contact of mine in Australia that in fact things are not as N'dou would have everyone believe.

According to my source (who must remain nameless), who incidentally has no reason to profit from saying this, N'dou was fully aware of all terms before he got on the plane, and was warned by the Goosens that if he pulled out of the fight, he would be liable for all expenses incurred, but N'dou went there in the belief he could screw more money out of Hennessy as it was a last minute job, and that unfortunately, he was wrong and as a consquence he now has no fight.

As I said, things are rarely as black and white as N'dou was making out. Apparently he did the same thing with another promotional outift last year too.
Your source is ill informed. "Apparently" doesn't constitute fact. Of course, in order to prove no hidden agenda on their part, you would have to name them. lol

Just as "apparently" doesn't constitute fact, making a declarative like "Your source is ill informed" isn't necessarily fact either.

I refer the honourable gentlemen to the reply I gave on another thread:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
If he has travelled to the States, my guess is that he is trying to get a few more quid out of Hennessy by being awkward. Hope it's all rubbish anyway.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Feb 2005, 06:27

That's cobblers knightshadeau. Just because someone doesn't want to be named, does not mean they have a hidden agenda. It's very common not to name sources, as it can cause problems for the person concerned.

The person who told me this is a reliable and neutral source, who just happens to know people connected with the persons involved, for him to put his name to something could be seen as a violation of trust or confidence.

As for whether or not what he says is fact, it's not fact, it's his version of the facts, just as N'dou's version of the facts cannot be taken at face value either.

All I was doing was offering an alternative version of events, and one which I personally believe, like Ian is every bit as likely if not more so than the fact that poor old N'dou was being hard done by.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 18 Feb 2005, 06:48

jamesmcdonnell wrote:That's cobblers knightshadeau. Just because someone doesn't want to be named, does not mean they have a hidden agenda. It's very common not to name sources, as it can cause problems for the person concerned.

The person who told me this is a reliable and neutral source, who just happens to know people connected with the persons involved, for him to put his name to something could be seen as a violation of trust or confidence.

As for whether or not what he says is fact, it's not fact, it's his version of the facts, just as N'dou's version of the facts cannot be taken at face value either.

All I was doing was offering an alternative version of events, and one which I personally believe, like Ian is every bit as likely if not more so than the fact that poor old N'dou was being hard done by.

If Ndou's comments where false surely someone from the Witter camp would have spoken out about it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Feb 2005, 07:06

They were probably too busy trying to make sure Witter had a fight, I did try contacting them to get their side of the story, but seeing as it's the weekend of the fight, didn't really expect much joy. I think what is more likely is that they realised they had to pull out all the stops to make the fight, and knew that if they played it right N'dou would play ball. After all did N'dou REALLY want to get on that plane and wait till march for a payday, my guess is no. Especially if he's going to be made responsible for all the costs of the trip.

As I said, only the people directly involved will ever really know the facts, but this kind of last minute argy bargy is commonplace, remember Vince Phillips shenanigans when he threatened to fly back home before fighting Hatton?

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 18 Feb 2005, 07:26

Said on Wed I heard it was 100% on. N'Dou has had them over I hear and got his own way. Brinksmanship and if a a fighter can shaft a promoter eho is demanding options for , great I say! They are the ones taking the punches not the suits

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 18 Feb 2005, 07:41

So basically what you're saying is that David Payne got played by N'dou?

Afterall, all the top websites used Paynes interview.

J · Post by J » 18 Feb 2005, 07:44

lirva33 wrote:So basically what you're saying is that David Payne got played by N'dou?

Afterall, all the top websites used Paynes interview.

David can only report what he is told in the interview what do you want him to write, Ndou is basically talking bollox, yeah thats gonna work well innit.

Ndou played everyone. Promoters and reporters alike. Why single out david?
One suggests if your so friggin high and mighty you get off your arse and do somink constructive for the sport instead of sniping at others who put a lot of effort into it for very little reward. Poisonous little prick..

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Feb 2005, 07:54

lirva33 wrote:So basically what you're saying is that David Payne got played by N'dou?

Afterall, all the top websites used Paynes interview.

It's no reflection on David whatsoever. If N'dou was talking shit, which it appears he was, then you can only take him at his word. The only other thing you could do to balance this is to talk to Hennessy's boys and get their viewpoint. However, seeing as they are up to their eyeballs right now that wasn't going to be possible.

David is hardly the first person to have been flim-flammed by someone involved in boxing, as I said before, finding the truth in matters boxing is like trying to find an 80 year old you would like to get jiggy with, very difficult.

It's easy to criticise from the sidelines, David did try and press N'dou to get him to say whether it was definetly off or not, but N'dou probably saw it as an excellent opportunity to scare the shit out of Hennessy.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 18 Feb 2005, 07:57

I got played like the proverbial old fiddle.

Hold my hands up.

You live and learn, but what I reported was fact at the time and from source.

NDou has just played the hand dealt him very well.

Ultimatley, Hennessy will be pleased. Its helped generate interest.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:04

Chuckle, yes you did get taken advantage of mate, I did warn you, I'm not being patronising, it's just I remember exactly the same thing happening to me before, I forget what over now, but it was bloody embarassing. As I said, it wasn't really possible to get the other side of the story under the circumstances, too close to the event.

I'll give N'dou this, he's a canny bugger. Don't know whether or not he got any extra money. However, promoters aren't going to be queuing up to get his services after doing this, so in the long run, probably not so clever. From what I hear Goosen wasn't at all pleased with him.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:07

DavidPayne wrote:I got played like the proverbial old fiddle.

Hold my hands up.

You live and learn, but what I reported was fact at the time and from source.

NDou has just played the hand dealt him very well.

Ultimatley, Hennessy will be pleased. Its helped generate interest.

All you did was report what the answer to your questions was, the fact that N'dou may or may not of been telling the truth, doesn't matter, all you could do was report the truth according to N'dou.

and as you say it at least generated interest in this bout.

Keep up the good work DavidPayne

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:10

J wrote:
lirva33 wrote:So basically what you're saying is that David Payne got played by N'dou?

Afterall, all the top websites used Paynes interview.
David can only report what he is told in the interview what do you want him to write, Ndou is basically talking bollox, yeah thats gonna work well innit.
Ndou played everyone. Promoters and reporters alike. Why single out david?
One suggests if your so friggin high and mighty you get off your arse and do somink constructive for the sport instead of sniping at others who put a lot of effort into it for very little reward. Poisonous little prick..

No way am I having a pop at David, never in a million years. he did very well to track down N'Dou and get the piece. I'm suggesting N'Dou palyed games with the promoters. How many times do sportsmen say one thing and do another, eg footballers who one day say they love a club and then sign for another withing hours.

No need for the personal remarks, because I was not digging out David. Don't really care what you think but if David gets that impression, sorry mate.

J · Post by J » 18 Feb 2005, 08:18

chris wasnt aimed at you mate, was aimed at lirva.

hasnt got a positive thing to say about anyone apart from witter.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:19

J wrote:
lirva33 wrote:So basically what you're saying is that David Payne got played by N'dou?

Afterall, all the top websites used Paynes interview.
David can only report what he is told in the interview what do you want him to write, Ndou is basically talking bollox, yeah thats gonna work well innit.
Ndou played everyone. Promoters and reporters alike. Why single out david?
One suggests if your so friggin high and mighty you get off your arse and do somink constructive for the sport instead of sniping at others who put a lot of effort into it for very little reward. Poisonous little prick..

"somink"?

Fair play to Davey boy but he DID get played (as he admitted - "like a fiddle") and that's all I said really. No hard feelings to David, perhaps he has learned a good lesson from this though.

N'dou is a proven liar so I can't really believe anything he says now regarding a fight to be honest.

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:25

J wrote:chris wasnt aimed at you mate, was aimed at lirva.

hasnt got a positive thing to say about anyone apart from witter.

No probs mate, sorry got wires a bit crossed.

J · Post by J » 18 Feb 2005, 08:31

chris s wrote:
J wrote:chris wasnt aimed at you mate, was aimed at lirva.

hasnt got a positive thing to say about anyone apart from witter.
No probs mate, sorry got wires a bit crossed.

nae bother Chris, and lirva david was just doing his job theres no need for you to be such a pisstaker.

Yesa david held hjis hands up wchich is more than you could do with your bullshit on the thread the other day about pederson mate.

youre the only bloke on here who seems to take pleasure from others not doing well be it hatton, calzaghe or a ream of british boxers or posters alike.

very sad and twisted.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:34

J wrote:
chris s wrote:
J wrote:chris wasnt aimed at you mate, was aimed at lirva.

hasnt got a positive thing to say about anyone apart from witter.
No probs mate, sorry got wires a bit crossed.
nae bother Chris, and lirva david was just doing his job theres no need for you to be such a pisstaker.

your the only bloke on here who seems to take pleasure from others not doing well be it hatton, calzaghe or a ream of british boxers or posters alike.

very sad and twisted.

Well I am not British so I don't particularly engage in nuthuggery and I don't genuinly want British fighters to do well unless I like them. I am not biased at all. When they fight TBA's all the time it doesn't help. I am from the REPUBLIC of Ireland. (We fought for our independance)

J · Post by J » 18 Feb 2005, 08:37

oh fornicate off dont make me larf your the biggest nuthgger on here with regards to witter.

and dont bring politics into it.

ive been to ireland you can keep it.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 18 Feb 2005, 08:49

chris s wrote:
No way am I having a pop at David, never in a million years. he did very well to track down N'Dou and get the piece. I'm suggesting N'Dou palyed games with the promoters. How many times do sportsmen say one thing and do another, eg footballers who one day say they love a club and then sign for another withing hours.

No need for the personal remarks, because I was not digging out David. Don't really care what you think but if David gets that impression, sorry mate.

Hey Chris,

I have no problem with anyone mate and I didn't even take Lirva's comments personally. J was just sticking up for a mate.

As I said, I know I've nothing to flog myself for. Lovemore played the game, and played it well.

I've learnt from it I guess and like most things, the key is to only learn it once.

Respect, or whatever the hip word is...biglove etc.

DP

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 18 Feb 2005, 11:42

Isn't the first time a sportsman has used a hack to do himself a favour and wont be the last, mate.

I suppose promoters use journalists in a similar way to get their message across.

At least you seem to be having a smile about it all.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 18 Feb 2005, 11:48

No worries. Have a good weekend.

Life's too short for worrying about stuff like this.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 18 Feb 2005, 12:28

Its not Davids fault its Henneseys fault

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