Pacquiao v prime Tszyu at 140 pounds (63.5kg.)

[dberry]

I think this would be an interesting match, the power of Tszyu vs the relentlesness of Pacquiao. I think it would be similar to the Vince Phillips fight for Kostya, K.O. between rounds 9 & 11 for Pacquiao with Tszyu proving to be a danger for most of the fight up untill then.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It depends how well Tszyu can handle the heat, because he's going to get tagged --- early & often. He was tough, but not unbreakable. He did endure all kinds of hell against Hatton, to give him his due --- & that, when he was both slightly past his peak, & years removed from such a tough battle.

Pacquiao's a lot more explosive offensively than Hatton, but wouldn't rough-house his man as much. One thing which worries me for Pacquiao is the way Marquez, at times, pulled him apart with precision counter-punching & expert timing with his shots. Sound familiar? Tszyu's sense of timing was absolutely first-class, & while not an outright one-punch KO artist, he was a far more debilitating hitter than the smaller Marquez, who rocked Pacquiao in lower divisions.

I'm really on the fence with this one. Either Pacquiao utilises his speed, raw power & sheer activity levels to inflict enough damage so as to tame Tszyu & bring him down late, or Tszyu finds a home for the hard straight right against a faster fighter (ala Judah) & Pacquiao just can't adjust properly, resulting in a less spirited attack over time, & perhaps even a late stoppage in Tszyu's favour.

Very tough call.

[milmascaras1]

this fight would be a very dangerous fight for pacquiao because of his willingness to trade with anyone. this would probably be a huge mistake against a prime tszyu. you've got to remember that pacquiao can be susceptible to right hands and tszyu's best punch was a powerful right hand. this fight would depend on who had the better chin, who made the least mistakes and who fought more intelligently! i would say this is a pick'em very intriguing fight!!!

[dberry]

This was a tougher hypothetical to answere than it was to pose. You both raise some valid points, Kostya has quite some power with 25 k.o's, 6 in the first round, and who could forget that increadable (at the time) one punch k.o of, then undefeated world champ, Zab Judah as well as his breaking of Oktay Urkal's jaw middway through their war?

The fact that neither are the slickest boxers coupled with Tszyu's and Pacquiaos willingness to stand at range and trade, as well as their durable chins and better than average power would make this a nice and violent affair.

I too was on the fence with this one as they would both be dangerous for each other but went with Pacquiao by k.o in a war of attrition.

[Goodnight, Irene]

This was a tougher hypothetical to answere than it was to pose. You both raise some valid points, Kostya has quite some power with 25 k.o's, 6 in the first round, and who could forget that increadable (at the time) one punch k.o of, then undefeated world champ, Zab Judah as well as his breaking of Oktay Urkal's jaw middway through their war?

The fact that neither are the slickest boxers coupled with Tszyu's and Pacquiaos willingness to stand at range and trade, as well as their durable chins and better than average power would make this a nice and violent affair.

I too was on the fence with this one as they would both be dangerous for each other but went with Pacquiao by k.o in a war of attrition.

It's a gun-to-my-head call, but I've gone with Tszyu on a 12th-round stoppage. Cards of 6-5 (Tszyu), 6-5 (Pacquiao) & 6-4-1 (Pacquiao) at the time.

[MEISINGER]

i am not a pacfan never have been never will be.
but it is hard to ignore his ability
tszyu was strong as an ox and could hit like a mule kick
but pac has way too many skills to fall prey to kosta
i have to go with pac in 6 rds

[allworld80]

Pacquiao had adjusted his game by the time he reached this weight, to the point where he wasn't a one dimensonal fighter with a wicked straight left. He was a better fighter, to put it bluntly, then he was at the lower weight classes. I honestly don't know how this one turns out. I can make cases for either fighter getting stopped, and I certainly don't see it going the distance. If they fought 10 times, I say Kostya wins 6 of them.

[BoxBuzz]

IF Pacquiao used all his talent, and listened to a great cornerman to NEVER give up defense he wins a decision.

But that won't happen, he will want to trade, he would simply be too tempted, and Kostya would end this fight. It's just a style's nightmare almost on the order of Frazier Foreman. Kostya can spark anyone who is openly willing to trade with him at that weight. And Manny would not have the self control to not engage.

Second and third time around? Maybe a different story because I think Manny would learn and adapt.

[King of the Ring]

It depends how well Tszyu can handle the heat, because he's going to get tagged --- early & often. He was tough, but not unbreakable. He did endure all kinds of hell against Hatton, to give him his due --- & that, when he was both slightly past his peak, & years removed from such a tough battle.

Pacquiao's a lot more explosive offensively than Hatton, but wouldn't rough-house his man as much. One thing which worries me for Pacquiao is the way Marquez, at times, pulled him apart with precision counter-punching & expert timing with his shots. Sound familiar? Tszyu's sense of timing was absolutely first-class, & while not an outright one-punch KO artist, he was a far more debilitating hitter than the smaller Marquez, who rocked Pacquiao in lower divisions.

I'm really on the fence with this one. Either Pacquiao utilises his speed, raw power & sheer activity levels to inflict enough damage so as to tame Tszyu & bring him down late, or Tszyu finds a home for the hard straight right against a faster fighter (ala Judah) & Pacquiao just can't adjust properly, resulting in a less spirited attack over time, & perhaps even a late stoppage in Tszyu's favour.

Very tough call.

If this topic is about PRIME for PRIME, then don't get carried away by the Pac-Marquez fights. Obviously the Pac that fought Marquez is a lot less in terms of skill that the Pac we have today as Pac obviously improved tremendously. Think of the best Pac and of the best Tszyu.

[King of the Ring]

Pacquiao had adjusted his game by the time he reached this weight, to the point where he wasn't a one dimensonal fighter with a wicked straight left. He was a better fighter, to put it bluntly, then he was at the lower weight classes. I honestly don't know how this one turns out. I can make cases for either fighter getting stopped, and I certainly don't see it going the distance. If they fought 10 times, I say Kostya wins 6 of them.

As I was saying.

[milmascaras1]

King,

and you don't call yourself a Pactard? could have fooled me!

[Goodnight, Irene]

It depends how well Tszyu can handle the heat, because he's going to get tagged --- early & often. He was tough, but not unbreakable. He did endure all kinds of hell against Hatton, to give him his due --- & that, when he was both slightly past his peak, & years removed from such a tough battle.

Pacquiao's a lot more explosive offensively than Hatton, but wouldn't rough-house his man as much. One thing which worries me for Pacquiao is the way Marquez, at times, pulled him apart with precision counter-punching & expert timing with his shots. Sound familiar? Tszyu's sense of timing was absolutely first-class, & while not an outright one-punch KO artist, he was a far more debilitating hitter than the smaller Marquez, who rocked Pacquiao in lower divisions.

I'm really on the fence with this one. Either Pacquiao utilises his speed, raw power & sheer activity levels to inflict enough damage so as to tame Tszyu & bring him down late, or Tszyu finds a home for the hard straight right against a faster fighter (ala Judah) & Pacquiao just can't adjust properly, resulting in a less spirited attack over time, & perhaps even a late stoppage in Tszyu's favour.

Very tough call.

If this topic is about PRIME for PRIME, then don't get carried away by the Pac-Marquez fights. Obviously the Pac that fought Marquez is a lot less in terms of skill that the Pac we have today as Pac obviously improved tremendously. Think of the best Pac and of the best Tszyu.

There's very little difference between the Pacquiao who blasted out Hatton & the one who fought Marquez in 2008.

[SFW]

Well I'm the biggest Pactard around but this is a tough fight to call. It's already been said Kosta's right hand was a killer one and accurate as hell, and Zstyu was a very conditioned athlete so he wasn't gonna be outhustled like Pac seems to be able to do with other guys. The biggest problem I have picking Pac over Zstyu is that Pacquiao just has so little head movement. He doesn't back up at angles either, somethin that'd leave him wide open for that right hand. That one punch power Kosta had is a lot more dangerous than anything Pac has faced, it's real hard to say what would happen. Pac's athletic ability would be enough to steal a decision but no way would I bet on that one. If Zstyu could catch Zab, who was as tricky a fighter as there was at the time, he could catch Pac. Kosta was a special fighter, but he was stopped twice, once near his prime, by pressure fighters who didn't have anything close to the speed and intensity Pac has. Can't pick a winner on that one, too much respect for them both.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Well I'm the biggest Pactard around but this is a tough fight to call. It's already been said Kosta's right hand was a killer one and accurate as hell, and Zstyu was a very conditioned athlete so he wasn't gonna be outhustled like Pac seems to be able to do with other guys. The biggest problem I have picking Pac over Zstyu is that Pacquiao just has so little head movement. He doesn't back up at angles either, somethin that'd leave him wide open for that right hand. That one punch power Kosta had is a lot more dangerous than anything Pac has faced, it's real hard to say what would happen. Pac's athletic ability would be enough to steal a decision but no way would I bet on that one. If Zstyu could catch Zab, who was as tricky a fighter as there was at the time, he could catch Pac. Kosta was a special fighter, but he was stopped twice, once near his prime, by pressure fighters who didn't have anything close to the speed and intensity Pac has. Can't pick a winner on that one, too much respect for them both.

Agree with most of that. It is indeed a tough one to predict. If only Tszyu had been born ten years later --- mega-fights with Hatton, Pacquiao, Mayweather, & possibly even Marquez, as well. Seeing as how he didn't face Mosley, Forrest, or De La Hoya in his own time (not his fault, just saying they never happened), it's a real shame.

[SFW]

It depends how well Tszyu can handle the heat, because he's going to get tagged --- early & often. He was tough, but not unbreakable. He did endure all kinds of hell against Hatton, to give him his due --- & that, when he was both slightly past his peak, & years removed from such a tough battle.

Pacquiao's a lot more explosive offensively than Hatton, but wouldn't rough-house his man as much. One thing which worries me for Pacquiao is the way Marquez, at times, pulled him apart with precision counter-punching & expert timing with his shots. Sound familiar? Tszyu's sense of timing was absolutely first-class, & while not an outright one-punch KO artist, he was a far more debilitating hitter than the smaller Marquez, who rocked Pacquiao in lower divisions.

I'm really on the fence with this one. Either Pacquiao utilises his speed, raw power & sheer activity levels to inflict enough damage so as to tame Tszyu & bring him down late, or Tszyu finds a home for the hard straight right against a faster fighter (ala Judah) & Pacquiao just can't adjust properly, resulting in a less spirited attack over time, & perhaps even a late stoppage in Tszyu's favour.

Very tough call.

If this topic is about PRIME for PRIME, then don't get carried away by the Pac-Marquez fights. Obviously the Pac that fought Marquez is a lot less in terms of skill that the Pac we have today as Pac obviously improved tremendously. Think of the best Pac and of the best Tszyu.

There's very little difference between the Pacquiao who blasted out Hatton & the one who fought Marquez in 2008.

Sure there is. It's all about weight. Pac at 130 was training to make weight specifically, a weight he hadn't been comfortable at for some time, he was ready to move up well before that. Pac skipped Hatton's division entirely and moved up 7lbs over that. He looked great, then came back down to where he naturally fit by this time, 140lbs. A ten pound difference for a guy without an ounce of fat on him could suggest he wasn't at his strongest at jr. lightweight by that time and was much healthier being at 140.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Perhaps --- I was thinking more along the lines of the way he fought, & skills he had learned & refined, between Marquez II & Hatton.

[milmascaras1]

pacquiao at super featherweight, with or without a weight problem would have still gotten a boxing lesson courtesy of marquez and you know it. so don't come in here giving an excuse for his poor performance against marquez.

[SFW]

pacquiao at super featherweight, with or without a weight problem would have still gotten a boxing lesson courtesy of marquez and you know it. so don't come in here giving an excuse for his poor performance against marquez.

LOL, never beating a guy is a boxing lesson now. JMM should have won the 2nd fight, he earned it. 2 close fights, but sure as fornicate wasn't any boxing lessons.

[milmascaras1]

sfw,

listen, when the philippines press thinks marquez won that fight then, well, what does that tell you? the world knows marquez beat pacquiao twice. now, if they just got some competent judging, boxing would be back as a mainstream sport but because it is so corrupt, it has become an afterthought with the exception of hardcore boxing fans!

[SFW]

Actually, I think using the press as a measuring stick for anything isn't too bright regardless what press your talking about. Press is fulla shit in any country. Everyone saw 2 close fights, and like I said before I think Marquez should have won the second one. Their first bout was judged poorly any way you look at it, one judge can't even count and the other two had the exact same scores for each fighter even though one was knocked down 3x. Your right, that is bad judging and its way too common. But nothing is gonna change what happened. JMM was almost knocked out in both fights, but he still won more rounds. It's all opinion. Marquez will always be considered the better boxer, Pacquiao will be considered the better fighter. Their fights were incredible to watch and it's a shame JMM got shafted in the rematch but such is boxing.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Actually, I think using the press as a measuring stick for anything isn't too bright regardless what press your talking about. Press is fulla poop in any country. Everyone saw 2 close fights, and like I said before I think Marquez should have won the second one. Their first bout was judged poorly any way you look at it, one judge can't even count and the other two had the exact same scores for each fighter even though one was knocked down 3x. Your right, that is bad judging and its way too common. But nothing is gonna change what happened. JMM was almost knocked out in both fights, but he still won more rounds. It's all opinion. Marquez will always be considered the better boxer, Pacquiao will be considered the better fighter. Their fights were incredible to watch and it's a shame JMM got shafted in the rematch but such is boxing.

You are wasting your time. I would be embarrassed to stand in an arena next to this guy & be cheering for the same fighter (Marquez).

[milmascaras1]

sweet irene, why wouldn't you want to stand next to me? feel a little intimidated? don't blame you cause if i were standing next to you anywhere i'd put a serious hurting on your silly, sissy pink ass!

[Goodnight, Irene]

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[milmascaras1]

irenie,

acting exactly like a little wet pussy would act!

[lucaselrey]

What a joke. if a looser like Hatton could do it than a great like Pacquiao could do it.