Rendall Munroe v Victor Terrazas

[Autobarn]

it was a bit annoying to see that munroe has to fight another elim, for the WBC title. after all he put into that fight with maludrottu, and he now has to fight another top contender. but perhaps it will be another tremendous fight, like the maludrottu bout.

anybody know anyting about the mexican, terrazas? come-forward fighter? counter puncher?

super bantam is the fight fan's division, that's for sure. the champs and contenders really pay their dues. and we've seen many memorable fights in the past 2 or 3 years. even the somewhat chinny bernard dunne was in a great, gritty fight (v cordoba) before melting away (v poonsawat).

i just hope munroe can get to his title fight. i believe hozumi hasegawa, the outstanding bantamweight champ, will move up and possibly steal everyone's thunder. the WBC champ at 122 is nishioka. surely an all japanese fight with nishioka, would be good business for hasegawa, and a winnable fight?

[whiteboy]

See this is down for the Coventry Skydome, hope the crowd is bigger than Elcock v. Eastman. Can't see the locals coming out in force to cheer on a Leicester lad

[mark thompson]

There won't be many Coventry fans there cheering on Munroe i wouldn't imagine, but i think there will be quite a few fans from Leicester turn up for this one,
He turns up at a few LCFC games at half time and seems to get a very good reception and is regularly in the famous Leicester Mercury, even my mum recognises him
Get over to see him with your high vise jacket on

[chrisfinch]

Last time there was a fight set for the Skydome a couple of years back, it was moved at two days notice to the Wolverhampton Civic Hall presumably because sales were shit. I'll go along if the card is solid.

I've got a bad feeling with all these 'eliminators' Munroe is fighting, he is going to slip up and lose his world title shot. I hope not. For me, he's in a position to fight for a world title, and should do sharpish in case of a defeat.

[phil5555]

There won't be many Coventry fans there cheering on Munroe i wouldn't imagine, but i think there will be quite a few fans from Leicester turn up for this one,
He turns up at a few LCFC games at half time and seems to get a very good reception and is regularly in the famous Leicester Mercury, even my mum recognises him
Get over to see him with your high vise jacket on

Jaffa will have his 300 fans travelling has he is on the bill

[canonball1234]

i am fightin on the undercard should be good

[The Law]

i am fightin on the undercard should be good

Excellent news Liam

[Autobarn]

Last time there was a fight set for the Skydome a couple of years back, it was moved at two days notice to the Wolverhampton Civic Hall presumably because sales were poop. I'll go along if the card is solid.

I've got a bad feeling with all these 'eliminators' Munroe is fighting, he is going to slip up and lose his world title shot. I hope not. For me, he's in a position to fight for a world title, and should do sharpish in case of a defeat.

my worry is that he wins the fight, and bloody well calls out bernard dunne, and doesn't take the title shot he's maybe earned (again!) vs the WBC champ nishioka.

clearly, munroe's ppl don't want him to go to japan. and nishioka's ppl won't want the champ to come to england. with the language barrier, logistical problems to overcome, etc etc, it would probably be a pain to get the fight. but if munroe's fighting life and death 12 rounders, it's nice for the fighter to get his shot when he's earned it.

if hasegawa moves up from 118 and challenges nishioka, then munroe's never going to win a world title. or at least not anytime soon. hopefully hasegawa challenges poonsawat, the WBA holder, in what would be a true punch-fest.

[BigEars]

my worry is that he wins the fight, and bloody well calls out bernard dunne, and doesn't take the title shot he's maybe earned (again!) vs the WBC champ nishioka.

clearly, munroe's ppl don't want him to go to japan. and nishioka's ppl won't want the champ to come to england. with the language barrier, logistical problems to overcome, etc etc, it would probably be a pain to get the fight. but if munroe's fighting life and death 12 rounders, it's nice for the fighter to get his shot when he's earned it.

if hasegawa moves up from 118 and challenges nishioka, then munroe's never going to win a world title. or at least not anytime soon. hopefully hasegawa challenges poonsawat, the WBA holder, in what would be a true punch-fest.

They won't want to but if Maloney actually bid enough to win the purse bids they'd come over, just like the way they were willing to go to Mexico to take on Jhonny Gonzalez.

On the otherhand I can't see Maloney allowing Munroe to go to Japan, and that's what inevitably will be the case as the Japanese should win the purse bids. I'm not sure Maloney will let Munroe go through with the mandatory fight if he wins this eliminator(which I just about think he will).

[Autobarn]

would they be beter off just making an offer to poonsawat? the hard slugging, very exciting WBA champ. after he's taken care of his mandatory...

reason i ask is that if munroe won, he'd be regarded as the #1 at 122, not "just another" champ. and he wouldn't have to fight elim after elim only for the WBC to allow mexican fighters to jump the queue. and poonsawat is a road warrior, having faced dunne in ireland, sidorenko in germany, hosono in japan. but then again, does munroe generate enough money to tempt over champs, even ones that don't expect huge paydays themselves?

[Counter-puncher]

good call 'barn. i actually think, stylistically, Munroe would have a decent chacne vs Poonsawat. impose his size on him, mess him about a bit, fight cautiously behind the guard and try to get the Thai on the backfoot

[BigEars]

would they be beter off just making an offer to poonsawat? the hard slugging, very exciting WBA champ. after he's taken care of his mandatory...

reason i ask is that if munroe won, he'd be regarded as the #1 at 122, not "just another" champ. and he wouldn't have to fight elim after elim only for the WBC to allow mexican fighters to jump the queue. and poonsawat is a road warrior, having faced dunne in ireland, sidorenko in germany, hosono in japan. but then again, does munroe generate enough money to tempt over champs, even ones that don't expect huge paydays themselves?

Em how exactly would that make Munroe #1 at the weight ?
It's not like Poonsawat has established himself as clearly above all the rest, I mean you could make an argument for it but it'd be very disputable.

The Maludrottu fight was never a final eliminator, and tbh it was quite lucky that bout was sanctioned as an eliminator at all.
This fight with Terrazas is a final eliminator and if Munroe wins he is mandatory. There will be no other Mexican to come in and fight.

I'm not sure Maloney would have the money to get Poonsawat to England. The only reason Brian Peters won the purse bids for Poonsawat's fight with Dunne so easily is because of a technical mix up on the Thai's end which meant they didn't have someone to submit the bid when they thought they did. Meaning Peters could win with the lowest bid allowed(still $120,000). Pat Magee was the man the Thai's thought could do their bidding but he wasn't affiliated with the WBA so he wasn't allowed.

I don't know how much it cost the Japanese to get him over there, but I think it'd at least take a purse in excess of that $120,000 to get him over to England. Would Maloney risk that sort of money for what would probably result in a bad ko loss ?........I don't think he would.

He'd be better off getting 40% of whatever Nishioka's camp pay to have him over to Japan.
Which would probably amount to a fair bit of cash.

[Autobarn]

admittedly the division, 122, is wide open. caballero, unified champ, is moving up to 126.

but poonsawat, an absolute warrior, who smashed up dunne, outpointed cordoba in a brilliant fight (both top 10 contenders), has better qualifications than anyone else at the weight.

with the thai, 122 will get back to the gritty division it was a couple of years back. since then it's been more known for manufactured guys like dunne and juanma lopez (nearly stopped by journeyman mtagwa). talented fighters who can deliver sometimes, but probably get a few too many soft or smaller opponents.

nishioka's pretty good, he's done well after a long, hard career. but munroe will be more highly rated if he beats poonsawat, rather than nishioka. i don't think there's any argument in that, to be honest.

yes, we know munroe v malu was never a "final" elim. so he went into that fight knowing he might not get the shot. but given the quality of the fight, how good it turned out to be, it's a shame that an unknown mexican got an opportunity, so suddenly.

[glahn]

I'll admit that I've never seen Terrazas - I doubt anyone here has - but this looks to have all the makings of a derailment for Munroe's world title ambitions. Obviously I hope I'm wrong, but I always worry when I see one of our guys in against one of these hardened Mexicans; especially when our guy doesn't have much of a punch to fend him off. Hopefully Munroe really raises his game and proves he belongs at this level, or the Mexican isn't as dangerous as one might anticipate, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Munroe halted in this one.

[REAL_DEAL]

I have his fights against Juan Carlos Martinez and Carlos Medellin. I think there one of his lurking around youtube, i will watch them at the weekend and let you know what i think of him.

[Autobarn]

I'll admit that I've never seen Terrazas - I doubt anyone here has - but this looks to have all the makings of a derailment for Munroe's world title ambitions. Obviously I hope I'm wrong, but I always worry when I see one of our guys in against one of these hardened Mexicans; especially when our guy doesn't have much of a punch to fend him off. Hopefully Munroe really raises his game and proves he belongs at this level, or the Mexican isn't as dangerous as one might anticipate, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Munroe halted in this one.

yeah munroe does lack power, throws piddling little shots at times. but one advantage is, he can throw a heck of a lot of punches. his fight with maludrottu reminded me of some of oscar larios' wars, in which hundreds of shots (sometimes over 1000 after 12 rds) were thrown - lots of misses, not too many clean terrific shots, but a rough handful with all that stamina and workrate. i really think munroe can be in some tremendous battles.

[BigEars]

nishioka's pretty good, he's done well after a long, hard career. but munroe will be more highly rated if he beats poonsawat, rather than nishioka. i don't think there's any argument in that, to be honest.

yes, we know munroe v malu was never a "final" elim. so he went into that fight knowing he might not get the shot. but given the quality of the fight, how good it turned out to be, it's a shame that an unknown mexican got an opportunity, so suddenly.

I think Nishioka is the best Super-Bantamweight out there at the minute. He's smashed up Jhonny Gonzalez(who was also a top 10 contender and better than Dunne), and has two draws with a great bantamweight in Veeraphol Sahaprom. Over the last 18 months Nishioka has beaten better opponents than Poonsawat.

In a head to head I'd strongly fancy Nishioka to beat Poonsawat aswell. Yes many would rate him higher for beating Poonsawat than beating Nishioka, but that's mostly down to the fact Ring magazine have Poonsawat 1 place ahead of Nishioka. Should so much emphasis be based on 1 position in those often flawed ranking ?. I'd rate him higher for beating Nishioka, and I think a lot of hardcore fans would feel the same.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by saying the quality of a fight which was never a final eliminator should upgrade it to being a final eliminator. Especially when imo the quality really wasn't that great. It was a top European level fight, and that showed in the quality, because to me that fight looked short of World level. The fact that I had Maludrottu winning the fight(along with many others) means there almost definitely was a need for Munroe to face another eliminator to prove himself worthy of mandatory status. If he beats Terrazas, who I have seen(there's a full fight of his on youtube, and some clips aswell of others), then he'll deserve the position. Terrazas is a pretty average fighter tbh, he's nothing special and a fight between him and Munroe will be close.

I fancy home advantage being the difference for Munroe and him getting a close(and possibly controversial) decision.

[Autobarn]

i rate poonsawat higher than nishioka. i rate nishioka, he gave veeraphol two real wars but i felt he lost, not drew, those 2 draws. he has beaten one top 10 opponent really, jhonny gonzalez. but i've have come to realise how damn good poonsawat is. his handspeed, combos, head movement, his pace, just seem considerably better than nishioka's.

with wins over WBA holders sithchatchawal, cordoba, dunne, the thai's on good form. if he keeps winning - his top contenders are cordoba, and the prospect antonio escalante - his stock should continue to rise. he'll have beaten proven names, and he'll have beaten decent prospects. meanwhile, i feel nishioka's WBC diet is pretty much the same - recycled, slightly past-it mexicans.

[BigEars]

i rate poonsawat higher than nishioka. i rate nishioka, he gave veeraphol two real wars but i felt he lost, not drew, those 2 draws. he has beaten one top 10 opponent really, jhonny gonzalez. but i've have come to realise how damn good poonsawat is. his handspeed, combos, head movement, his pace, just seem considerably better than nishioka's.

with wins over WBA holders sithchatchawal, cordoba, dunne, the thai's on good form. if he keeps winning - his top contenders are cordoba, and the prospect antonio escalante - his stock should continue to rise. he'll have beaten proven names, and he'll have beaten decent prospects. meanwhile, i feel nishioka's WBC diet is pretty much the same - recycled, slightly past-it mexicans.

The combos and head movement things are arguable, but handspeed ?..........I'm absolutely positive Nishioka has the quicker hands, his handspeed is one of his main strengths and to say Poonsawat has considerably better handspeed is laughable imo.

The Cordoba fight is from 5 years ago, and that was a close fight which could of gone either way. To say he's in good form and list that win as one of the reasons why is just wrong, especially considering he lost to Wladamir Sidorenko after that.
Even the Sithchatchawal fight is 2 years ago now, and from what I've heard from Thai sources Sithchatchawal was not the fighter he showed against Monshipour. I don't just mean when he fought Poonsawat, but apparently overall. The night against Monshipour was a once off from Sithchatchawal, giving the performance of his life(way above anything else he done) when he needed it most.

Poonsawat is in good form, with ones over Rafael Hernandez, Dunne and Honoso. But no better than Nishioka with wins over Kiatisakchokchai, Garcia, Gonzalez and 'Choco' Hernandez. Okay Poonsawat is guaranteed a much tougher mandatory with Escalante, rather than Munroe/Terrazas but who knows what other fighters they'll face in the future. There are rumours of Hasagawa v Nishioka, which would be huge in Japan.

[glahn]

I fancy Poonsawat to beat Nishioka in a close fight. I think Nishioka beat a very faded Gonzalez, but I would concede that Nishioka's standard of competition has been higher in general. I think it's a very interesting and competitive fight though.

For the record I think Munroe loses clearly to both of them.

[Autobarn]

i rate poonsawat higher than nishioka. i rate nishioka, he gave veeraphol two real wars but i felt he lost, not drew, those 2 draws. he has beaten one top 10 opponent really, jhonny gonzalez. but i've have come to realise how damn good poonsawat is. his handspeed, combos, head movement, his pace, just seem considerably better than nishioka's.

with wins over WBA holders sithchatchawal, cordoba, dunne, the thai's on good form. if he keeps winning - his top contenders are cordoba, and the prospect antonio escalante - his stock should continue to rise. he'll have beaten proven names, and he'll have beaten decent prospects. meanwhile, i feel nishioka's WBC diet is pretty much the same - recycled, slightly past-it mexicans.

The combos and head movement things are arguable, but handspeed ?..........I'm absolutely positive Nishioka has the quicker hands, his handspeed is one of his main strengths and to say Poonsawat has considerably better handspeed is laughable imo.

The Cordoba fight is from 5 years ago, and that was a close fight which could of gone either way. To say he's in good form and list that win as one of the reasons why is just wrong, especially considering he lost to Wladamir Sidorenko after that.
Even the Sithchatchawal fight is 2 years ago now, and from what I've heard from Thai sources Sithchatchawal was not the fighter he showed against Monshipour. I don't just mean when he fought Poonsawat, but apparently overall. The night against Monshipour was a once off from Sithchatchawal, giving the performance of his life(way above anything else he done) when he needed it most.

Poonsawat is in good form, with ones over Rafael Hernandez, Dunne and Honoso. But no better than Nishioka with wins over Kiatisakchokchai, Garcia, Gonzalez and 'Choco' Hernandez. Okay Poonsawat is guaranteed a much tougher mandatory with Escalante, rather than Munroe/Terrazas but who knows what other fighters they'll face in the future. There are rumours of Hasagawa v Nishioka, which would be huge in Japan.

nishioka's nowhere near as fast! in terms of handspeed, footspeed, combos, poonsawat is by far the faster man: from 1st to last round. nishioka is a tough man, a good slugger, but he is far more ponderous, takes him longer to get warmed up.

re common opponents. poonsawat has beaten a number of good fighters. it's to his credit that he beat a guy of cordoba's calibre, in a non title fight. most fighters only take a risk when there is a more immediate reward. it was a fight better than most world title fights of the time. it shows the kind of risk he has to take. and gives some backstory to their rivalry which will be renewed this year (cordoba has a guaranteed shot). hosono had just beaten enoki (who gave chris john a tough fight and who drew with former WBC champ takahiro aoh). yes sitchatchawal has his limitations, and had a punishing win and a punishing loss. but he's a former champ, and the fight he won for the title, was vs a little slugger, monshipour (albeit one with less skill than poonsawat). anyway, what's wrong with losing to sidorenko? fight lots of top guys and a loss is hard to avoid. what matters is that he's grown with the experience, got better as he's moved up in weight - demolishing bernard dunne along the way - and appears good enough for a big fight. i don't think nishioka has as good a body of work.

re the WBC elims, admittedly the fight (munroe-malu) was never a final elim, so i shouldn't have got my hopes up. but the very idea of an elim should be to decide the next challenger, not to create more delays. if terrazas wasn't in the rankings, i'll bet munroe wouldn't have had to fight an extra elim.

not heard the hasegawa-nishioka rumours. heard hasegawa wants to move up in weight, and i reckon a fight with his countryman is an easier fight than poonsawat (not that nishioka is an easy fight). there is also talk of hasegawa staying down 118 one more time, for montiel.

[BigEars]

The Cordoba fight was for an interim title(interim WBA), so there was indeed something on the line and as far as I'm aware Cordoba was a mandatory aswell so the fight had to be made.

There's nothing shameful in losing to Sidorenko, he's a top class fighter. What I objected to was you saying Poonsawat was in good form and listing the win over Cordoba(from 5 years ago) as a reason why. If you're listing that win, you may aswell talk about his loss during that period.

I'm not saying Poonsawat's opposition has been crap(well actually other than Sithchatchawal until he fought for the interim title it had been), but Nishioka's opposition has been every bit up to the same standard.
We'll just have to disagree on the handspeed thing, I feel Nishioka's straight left is quicker than any shot Poonsawat can throw.

I reckon they'd have thrown someone else into that eliminator instead of Terrazas if he hadn't of been in the rankings.
The WBC are a business and will try to maximise their profits, thus another eliminator makes sense from their point of view.
They have certainly shown a preference for Terrazas though, moving him from 8th to 3rd without fighting.
But I still think they'd have forced someone else on Munroe.

I like Hasagawa quite a lot, he's not quite the unbeatable monster he's appeared of late, but I'd still fancy him to beat Nishioka, Poonsawat or Montiel for that matter.

[Autobarn]

that's cool. i think nishioka is a better, more damaging puncher, for what it's worth. i just watched nishioka v genaro garcia, a somewhat faded fighter. while nishioka was hitting hard, it was taking him some time to actually get going. when he's warmed up, his speed improves though. whereas poonsawat is fast right from the start, and in good company.

i also think that while nishioka is ready for a big fight, that really the comp is just WBC recycled mexicans. hopefully the hasegawa fight happens. now it looks like montiel is not bothered about challenging hasegawa. hasegawa will want to move up, as he's done enough at 118 (10 defenses) and struggles with weight making.

anyway, poonsawat v cordoba is an awesome fight. you are right to make clear that it was 5 years ago, down at 118, and very close (i had the thai by 1 or 2). i look forward to the rematch up at 122. it seems the hard fights have taken their toll on cordoba. perhaps in a year or two we might see the best of thailand (poonsawat) vs the best of japan (possible hasegawa-nishioka winner); and perhaps this will settle our argument!

that WBA 122 title. what a bitterly contested belt it is! ponsawat v hosono had some terific slugging. dunne v cordoba had plenty of bleeding and knockdowns. before that there was monshipour v zarate, medjkoune, & sithchatchawal...and this year it could be poonsawat v corodba 2 and poonsawat-escalante...i prefer this to the WBC fights involving nishioka. those opponents like ivan hernandez and genaro garcia don't do full justice to him.

[Counter-puncher]

'barn's well obsessed with the superbantamweight division

[Autobarn]

my fave fighter has just become a heavyweight meat head (tomasz adamek). bloated, no power and knackered after 8 rounds...

super bantam is all i've got

(i mean, what other weight classes have had so many brutal battles in the last few years? the WBA bouts i mentioned, then going back, the WBC fights larios-mccullough 1, larios-vazquez 2...jumping forward, vazquez-marquez 1, 2 & 3, vazquez-jhonny gonzalez, even juanma nearly losing his WBO strap to mtagwa...great stuff, and i reckon that if poonsawat keeps winning, and if hasegawa gets a decent scalp and another world title, that poonsawat-hasegawa is the next vazquez-marquez type rivalry.)