Green calls out Mundine

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 15 Feb 2010, 22:11

RAB2204 wrote:Its Funny how Mundine cops it for wanting to fight a light middleweight & then danny green wants to fight someone that is almost 10kg his weight & no one makes a big deal about it...

That's actually a good point. Though you must also consider that Mundine holds a victory over Green.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 15 Feb 2010, 22:14

And Mundine is not really any smaller than Green. Mundine has looked like death warmed up at middlewieght and couldn't even make weight for his last contracted fight.

I wonder what his playing weight was when he played League? (I reckon Brute might know)

I reckon there is a good chance that Mundine not draining would be pretty close to Green not draining...

bigred83 · Post by **bigred83** » 15 Feb 2010, 23:11

Marlin
Post subject: Re: Green calls out Mundine

I wonder what his playing weight was when he played League?

mundine playing weight was apporx 86kg people, so cruiser shouldnt be a prob.
i know there is gonna be a call that the extra weight will be an issue, but im sure he must have been doing pleny of boxing training the last yr he was playing and there would have been plenty of the same skill/speed he has now, otherwise y did he change sports from one where he knew could clean up 250k-500k per yr for another 4-5 yrs almost guranteed, to goto one where yes he has succeeded, but if he didnt wouldnt have made really any money out of it, pretty big gamble.
mundine is just running scared cos he know he'll get the same treatment as rjj

Marlin
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And Mundine is not really any smaller than Green. Mundine has looked like death warmed up at middlewieght and couldn't even make weight for his last contracted fight.

couldnt agreee more marlin, he has looked terrible since moving down. both fighter natural weight would be very similar

Hounddawg · Post by **Hounddawg** » 16 Feb 2010, 01:00

Mundine was on around 600 thousand a year before leaving league, so he must make more than that a year or he would have quit.

keyboard warrior · Post by **keyboard warrior** » 16 Feb 2010, 01:30

bigred83 wrote:
Marlin
Post subject: Re: Green calls out Mundine

And Mundine is not really any smaller than Green. Mundine has looked like death warmed up at middlewieght and couldn't even make weight for his last contracted fight.

couldnt agreee more marlin, he has looked terrible since moving down. both fighter natural weight would be very similar

Totally, the 79kg catch weight was really fair IMO.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 16 Feb 2010, 15:22

Hounddawg wrote:Mundine was on around 600 thousand a year before leaving league, so he must make more than that a year or he would have quit.

Mundine says now he could not play league now because of a hip injury that makes it hard to run. I wonder if the hip was on the way out when he was playing?

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 16 Feb 2010, 23:52

Willem wrote:
bigred83 wrote:
The youth foundation in question doesn't even exist yet. He's proposing that a new foundation be set up in partnership between himself and Mundine. So it's not just a matter of capitalising on the indigenous youth thing once...but only doing it in a manner where he'll have his name on a foundation, and he will be able to capitalise on it forever.
pls correct me if im wrong, but wont mundines name be on the same charity forever as well???

Yes. But it's not a particularly good offer to Mundine, who is not exactly in love with Danny Green, to have a jointly named charity. Danny appears to have made this decision without consulting Mundine.

bigred83 wrote:i dont think they really have as much of a problem with each other that is made out, them not liking each other adds more interest to a fight with each other it was setup when they were both nobodys in the world boxing scene IMO for no other reason than it could generate more public interest if they played it right than anyother fight for the\m

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 17 Feb 2010, 00:00

79 is close to danny's ideal weight,green by ko(if it ever happens)

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 17 Feb 2010, 00:07

one thing that the weight will niot fix is the way green had trouble landing on mundine.. is mundine still having problems with that eye?

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 17 Feb 2010, 18:26

bullshit, weight makes a huge difference

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 18 Feb 2010, 01:23

caveman wrote:bullshit, weight makes a huge difference

I think 79kg is a fair weight, as it is (just) under the LHW limit, and Green has been fighting as a (small) cruiserweight since his return. As aforementioned, Mundine weighed 86kg when he played league, which is heavier than Green has ever fought at. Green is the naturally bigger man (he's a natural LHW, Mundine a SMW), but it isn't as big a difference as the JMW(pft)-CW gap suggests.

Weight will certainly make a difference in the competitiveness of the fight, but p4p1 is correct that a major factor in the first fight was Green's inability to land a punch on Mundine. While Green may be a smarter, stronger fighter today, he is no quicker or more accurate than SMW Danny Green. If this fight were to take place at this weight, I'd favour a Green KO or TKO win in the middle rounds, with Mundine making him look silly at times. I'd be interested to see how a 79kg Mundine would perform, perhaps the extra weight would greatly improve him?

keyboard warrior · Post by **keyboard warrior** » 18 Feb 2010, 01:52

I believe he is quicker and more accurate at the bigger weight. Just seems that that's where he's physiologically more comfortable, and thus more athletic. Generally cutting weight is good, but some boxers overdo and it saps strenght and energy, and Green, late in his SMW career was doing this. Plus at the bigger weight he'll have more intimidation and bully factor, which helps you control the ring and thus land punches.

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 18 Feb 2010, 04:15

if u r naturaly fit at a certain weight, putting on or taking off makes a difference, if its a large amount it makes a bigger difference

'Frilla · Post by **'Frilla** » 18 Feb 2010, 04:20

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 18 Feb 2010, 18:10

greeny will destroy mundine at 79kg. danny would be at his best, mundine would be a bullfrog

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 19 Feb 2010, 03:12

Marlin wrote:And Mundine is not really any smaller than Green. Mundine has looked like death warmed up at middlewieght and couldn't even make weight for his last contracted fight.

I wonder what his playing weight was when he played League? (I reckon Brute might know)

I reckon there is a good chance that Mundine not draining would be pretty close to Green not draining...

Mundine played at about 86kg, which is small for a five eight now. Most of them are around the 100kg mark. He can't play now because his hip is stuffed.

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 19 Feb 2010, 07:06

wat he played football at has nothing to do with it

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 19 Feb 2010, 07:24

I agree with P4P1 on this one, If Green still has trouble landing on Mundine he won't win the fight. He cannot go into it just looking for the Ko. He needs to get Mundine worried and in a very defencive Fight ( Like Kessler Did). Otherwise Mundine will Box his way to a UD Win IMO.

The weight will make the fight closer as Green looked very Weight drained in the first fight, And has looked much better at the Higher weights. But I still see a Mundine Win.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 19 Feb 2010, 08:08

ben k wrote:I agree with P4P1 on this one, If Green still has trouble landing on Mundine he won't win the fight. He cannot go into it just looking for the Ko. He needs to get Mundine worried and in a very defencive Fight ( Like Kessler Did). Otherwise Mundine will Box his way to a UD Win IMO.

The weight will make the fight closer as Green looked very Weight drained in the first fight, And has looked much better at the Higher weights. But I still see a Mundine Win.

yep kessler intimidated mundine cause he was able to land on him green wasnt kesslers boxing is alot better than greens i still cant see green beating mundine i think his style is made to suit mundines

caveman · Post by **caveman** » 19 Feb 2010, 08:12

if it ever happens

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 20 Feb 2010, 02:04

toppity wrote:3) Green inside Boxing - Danny Green is good for the sport of boxing in Australia. He brought the biggest name ever (shot or not) to Australian shores. He promotes good cards and fights good fights. He does it with the right attitude and people (from all walks of Australian life) seem to enjoy the way he fights.

You talk some complete shit - Do you know Archie Moore, Emile Griffith, Joe Frazier, Jack Johnson, Azumah Nelson, Sam Langford etc etc - boxed on your shores - the likes of Archie Moore and Sam Langford actually lived in Australia.

Boxing was around before you took an interest in it! Stick to talking about rugby league!

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 20 Feb 2010, 06:24

Carlos-Wigan wrote:
toppity wrote:3) Green inside Boxing - Danny Green is good for the sport of boxing in Australia. He brought the biggest name ever (shot or not) to Australian shores. He promotes good cards and fights good fights. He does it with the right attitude and people (from all walks of Australian life) seem to enjoy the way he fights.
You talk some complete poop - Do you know Archie Moore, Emile Griffith, Joe Frazier, Jack Johnson, Azumah Nelson, Sam Langford etc etc - boxed on your shores - the likes of Archie Moore and Sam Langford actually lived in Australia.

Boxing was around before you took an interest in it! Stick to talking about rugby league!

Son, it might be best if you attempted to try and look less foolish. If you believe your ability to study history makes you relevant, then think again. Studying and understanding are completely different things, perhaps your history teacher should have pointed that out. If you do not consider RJJ to be either the most successful or influencial boxer to visit these shores then I believe you are incorrect. To compare Azumah to RJJ...struth, you lost the audience there mate. I remember all of his visits to these shores and his last, in particular, was a massive standout.

I have read your opinions, but as they so often miss the mark when refering to Australian boxing, they are very rarely worth entertaining.

And as for me talking about Rugby of any sort...well, you really don't know what you are talking about do you. A barb could not have been thrown in a less accurate direction.

oh, and sorry for not using any smilies to get my point accross.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 20 Feb 2010, 06:40

toppity wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote:
toppity wrote:3) Green inside Boxing - Danny Green is good for the sport of boxing in Australia. He brought the biggest name ever (shot or not) to Australian shores. He promotes good cards and fights good fights. He does it with the right attitude and people (from all walks of Australian life) seem to enjoy the way he fights.
You talk some complete poop - Do you know Archie Moore, Emile Griffith, Joe Frazier, Jack Johnson, Azumah Nelson, Sam Langford etc etc - boxed on your shores - the likes of Archie Moore and Sam Langford actually lived in Australia.

Boxing was around before you took an interest in it! Stick to talking about rugby league!
Son, it might be best if you attempted to try and look less foolish. If you believe your ability to study history makes you relevant, then think again. Studying and understanding are completely different things, perhaps your history teacher should have pointed that out. If you do not consider RJJ to be either the most successful or influencial boxer to visit these shores then I believe you are incorrect. To compare Azumah to RJJ...struth, you lost the audience there mate. I remember all of his visits to these shores and his last, in particular, was a massive standout.

I have read your opinions, but as they so often miss the mark when refering to Australian boxing, they are very rarely worth entertaining.

And as for me talking about Rugby of any sort...well, you really don't know what you are talking about do you. A barb could not have been thrown in a less accurate direction.

oh, and sorry for not using any smilies to get my point accross.

Are you trying to say that Roy Jones Jr was a greater fighter than Archie Moore, Emile Griffith or Sam Langford?

As for Azumah Nelson - he was one of the great feather and super featherweights of all time and certainly for my money the best featherweight of his generation - In fact probably the best fighter in boxing around 1984-85. I would certainly put Jones Jr on par with Nelson on a bad day.

How is Jones Jr career more historically significant than Jack Johnsons career?

I am not saying Jones Jr didn't have the potential legacy to become a great fighter - its just big losses to Tarver, Green and Calazghe has put him as a 'nearly great' You could argue Joe Frazier had a similar legacy to Jones - though I would say Fraizer only lost to two of the greatest heavyweights in history, I am probably being a tad unkind to Joe Fraizer.

Was Jones Jr the greatest fighter ever to visit Australia - the anwser is no.

Therefore you are wrong. 8)

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 20 Feb 2010, 06:52

Carlos-Wigan wrote:
toppity wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote: You talk some complete poop - Do you know Archie Moore, Emile Griffith, Joe Frazier, Jack Johnson, Azumah Nelson, Sam Langford etc etc - boxed on your shores - the likes of Archie Moore and Sam Langford actually lived in Australia.

Boxing was around before you took an interest in it! Stick to talking about rugby league!
Son, it might be best if you attempted to try and look less foolish. If you believe your ability to study history makes you relevant, then think again. Studying and understanding are completely different things, perhaps your history teacher should have pointed that out. If you do not consider RJJ to be either the most successful or influencial boxer to visit these shores then I believe you are incorrect. To compare Azumah to RJJ...struth, you lost the audience there mate. I remember all of his visits to these shores and his last, in particular, was a massive standout.

I have read your opinions, but as they so often miss the mark when refering to Australian boxing, they are very rarely worth entertaining.

And as for me talking about Rugby of any sort...well, you really don't know what you are talking about do you. A barb could not have been thrown in a less accurate direction.

oh, and sorry for not using any smilies to get my point accross.
Are you trying to say that Roy Jones Jr was a greater fighter than Archie Moore, Emile Griffith or Sam Langford? As for Azumah Nelson - he was one of the great feather and super featherweights of all time and certainly for my money the best featherweight of his generation - In fact probably the best fighter in boxing around 1984-85. I would certainly put Jones Jr on par with Nelson on a bad day.

How is Jones Jr career more historically significant than Jack Johnsons career?

I am not saying Jones Jr didn't have the potential legacy to become a great fighter - its just big losses to Tarver, Green and Calazghe has put him as a 'nearly great' You could argue Joe Frazier had a similar legacy to Jones - though I would say Fraizer only lost to two of the greatest heavyweights in history, I am probably being a tad unkind to Joe Fraizer.

Was Jones Jr the greatest fighter ever to visit Australia - the anwser is no.

Therefore you are wrong. 8)

You used the smilies really well. Thanks, I'm now convinced Azzumah was greater than RJJ.

dberry · Post by **dberry** » 20 Feb 2010, 07:00

Fight you bastards, I hate peace!