Goodnight, Irene wrote:I saw this one just a few days ago. I didn't think it was all that bad. Ramos fought pretty hard until it ended. & that was a prime (or near-prime) Joe Frazier, hardly Reggie Gross! lol!
That was prime, buzzsaw Joe.
I have to agree, it was not a lame quit job. But an honest...."OH CRAP ARE YOU SERIOUS? I SURE AS HELL DON"T WANT ANYMORE OF THAT" sort of a quit job.
My point, he didn't seem all that crushed, though he may have been discombobulated. Something a perfect snappy tap placed "just so" might accomplish? At least I've heard it said that such could be the case. granberry, and many others discount the merits of such a claim.
However the Science would support such possibilities.
..anyone who has seen the film of dempsey vs willard will be shocked if they are aware that at that time willard was generally referred to as "that quitter." at least in some ways we have improved since then.
BoxBuzz wrote:My point, he didn't seem all that crushed, though he may have been discombobulated. Something a perfect snappy tap placed "just so" might accomplish? At least I've heard it said that such could be the case. granberry, and many others discount the merits of such a claim.
However the Science would support such possibilities.
I do notthink Seldon 'quit' I think he got hit with
a good shot against tyson. If I recall correctly
it landed nice and hard on the top of the head.
And a left hook like that just needs to find a piece
of the jaw to put a man on queer street.
The Ref stopped it, whther Seldon was 'that groggy'
or not, he could have stayed down and been
counted out if he wanted to throw it.
When you get hit HARD you do weird things.
Quitting may be one of those things, but some
times you can quit by going hell for leather too
knowing you will no doubt get tagged.
I know guys in MMA that go all out, hoping they
get sub'd early because it gives the perception
they are trying to win (they could get lucky),
becuase fighting a smart and longer term fight
is often harder to do and takes more out of you
against a top level guy.
But.. what ever the experts say I guess...after
all they know what goes on in the ring.
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Robinson wrote:I do notthink Seldon 'quit' I think he got hit with
a good shot against tyson. If I recall correctly
it landed nice and hard on the top of the head.
What about that "leg wobbling" he did when he realised the ref wasn't going to stop it?
Discretion certainly got the better of valour in Bruce's case that night.
True. But he could have stayed down C man had he
wanted to throw it. Plus some times you do not
realise how bad you were tagged until you go to
stand up.
Sorry I edited my post by the time you replied mate.
Robinson wrote:True. But he could have stayed down C man had he
wanted to throw it. Plus some times you do not
realise how bad you were tagged until you go to
stand up.
Sorry I edited my post by the time you replied mate.
I take your point.
But to me, Seldon made a conscious decision to bail out ie quit.
That's fine by me. He was gonna get hammered and he knew it, so the fight was as good as over. But let's not dress it to be something it wasn't.
Robinson wrote:True. But he could have stayed down C man had he
wanted to throw it. Plus some times you do not
realise how bad you were tagged until you go to
stand up.
Sorry I edited my post by the time you replied mate.
What was your take on the Cooper-Gross scenario, Robbo?
Novelty goat wrote:Golota vs Grant was inexplicable. Golota was ahead, fight was nearing the end, he gets knocked down once, doesn't appear hurt and easily gets up, and just quits. Strange man.
