boxing knowledge

[granberry]

from:

The Complete Book of Boxing
by Curtis Cokes with Hugh Kayser
1980, ETC Publications, Palm Springs, Calif.

On page 88 Cokes writes of Ali:

"Many fighters and most spectators fail to realize what he is doing. When in a clinch Ali leans on his opponent, grabbing him behind the neck with his left hand and forcing his head downward. After a few rounds of this, the opponent becomes weary and cannot continue to fight effectively. He also leans on his opponent and wears him out by placing his right glove on his adversary's shoulder as he continues to pull the neck down with his left glove."

[nickcat0]

not again

[enrique]

Deja vu..... man you are obsessed with Ali.

[Ezzard]

I enjoyed reading Cokes' analysis of Ali. There's no way I'd seen this for myself. I'm a fan, not an expert, and enjoy hearing what others have to say.

[granberry]

Deja vu..... man you are obsessed with Ali.

enrique,

If you don't like what Curtis Cokes has to say,

complain to him.

Looks like you are the one obsessed with Ali.

[ThatOne]

I enjoyed reading Cokes' analysis of Ali. There's no way I'd seen this for myself. I'm a fan, not an expert, and enjoy hearing what others have to say.

So what, in a sport where boxers habitually lead with their head, hit after the bell or when their opponent is down or almost down, or hit below the belt, Ali's tieing up of his opponents seems relatively benign. And all his opponent needs to do to negate this tactic is to slip under and away or throw some good body punches.

And Ezzard, you never saw Ali hold. He was the master of holding and had an uncanny sense of leverage. I don't see it as a necesssarily bad thing. Ali was a much stronger man than he was given credit for. That's why he was able to manhandle George Foreman, Ken Norton, and Joe Frazier.

[Controversial]

Other quotes from Curtis Cokes include

Interview on May 2008 - SM: Is there anything else you would like to tell the readers out there?

CC: "Just that Kirk Johnson is still one of the best heavyweights out there in the world today. And before he retires he will win the title. It will be sometime in the next 1-2 years, and I will have my Heavyweight Champion"



Interview on April 2008 - "I think he and Ricky Hatton should be the fight of the year. I think Hatton will do a good job with Mayweather. He's got the kind of style that might give Mayweather some problems. It should be a great fight."

[ThatOne]

Other quotes from Curtis Cokes include

Interview on May 2008 - SM: Is there anything else you would like to tell the readers out there?

CC: "Just that Kirk Johnson is still one of the best heavyweights out there in the world today. And before he retires he will win the title. It will be sometime in the next 1-2 years, and I will have my Heavyweight Champion"



Interview on April 2008 - "I think he and Ricky HattonÖthat should be the fight of the year. I think Hatton will do a good job with Mayweather. Heís got the kind of style that might give Mayweather some problems. It should be a great fight."

Vitali Klitschko and Floyd Mayweather would disagree.

[Woller]

That was a terrible information.

I thought that Cokes wisdom was beyond any doubt.

Woller

[enrique]

Deja vu..... man you are obsessed with Ali.

enrique,

If you don't like what Curtis Cokes has to say,

complain to him.

Looks like you are the one obsessed with Ali.

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No Gran, if you look back on my 900+ entries I probably don't have ten concerning Ali. You are the one obsessed and you have done it so often most people don't take you seriously. Get a life, man.

Cokes is free to say what he wants an in fact I agree that Ali often used questionable tactics, but this is the second thread you do with exactly the same quote.

[Ezzard]

I enjoyed reading Cokes' analysis of Ali. There's no way I'd seen this for myself. I'm a fan, not an expert, and enjoy hearing what others have to say.

So what, in a sport where boxers habitually lead with their head, hit after the bell or when their opponent is down or almost down, or hit below the belt, Ali's tieing up of his opponents seems relatively benign. And all his opponent needs to do to negate this tactic is to slip under and away or throw some good body punches.

And Ezzard, you never saw Ali hold. He was the master of holding and had an uncanny sense of leverage. I don't see it as a necesssarily bad thing. Ali was a much stronger man than he was given credit for. That's why he was able to manhandle George Foreman, Ken Norton, and Joe Frazier.

My comment was totally neutral (and if you read the excerpt from Cokes again you'll realsie that it is not conclusive as to whether this is an observation or a criticism).

As long as there is something to what is being said then I enjoy reading someone criticising Ali and I enjoy reading someone praising him.

What matters to me is that I get a fresh perspective and that perspective can hold some water.

I don’t see what you’re so defensive about. There are zillion of books and articles that praise Ali. There are a few that criticise. I don’t see what the problem is. Ali himself criticised other fighter’s styles and shortcomings.

Put up a poll or a fantasy tournament and he’ll get picked as number 1 or number 2 at HW.

[granberry]

Deja vu..... man you are obsessed with Ali.

enrique,

If you don't like what Curtis Cokes has to say,

complain to him.

Looks like you are the one obsessed with Ali.

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No Gran, if you look back on my 900+ entries I probably don't have ten concerning Ali. You are the one obsessed and you have done it so often most people don't take you seriously. Get a life, man.

Cokes is free to say what he wants an in fact I agree that Ali often used questionable tactics, but this is the second thread you do with exactly the same quote.

Sorry, enrique,

if you don't like what CURTIS COKES has to say

take it up with him.

Curtis Cokes wrote:

"Many fighters and most spectators fail to realize what he is doing. When in a clinch Ali leans on his opponent, grabbing him behind the neck with his left hand and forcing his head downward. After a few rounds of this, the opponent becomes weary and cannot continue to fight effectively. He also leans on his opponent and wears him out by placing his right glove on his adversary's shoulder as he continues to pull the neck down with his left glove."

from:

The Complete Book of Boxing
by Curtis Cokes with Hugh Kayser
1980, ETC Publications, Palm Springs, Calif.

page 88

If you don't like what Curtis Cokes writes there,

complain to his publisher.

In fact, if you work it right, maybe you can get him banned from expressing his observations in print.

Consult with your lawyer.

[enrique]

Gran:

If you read what I wrote you would understand that I do agree with Cokes, what I don't agree with your obsessive approach.

Read Jean Paul Sartre's "Hui Clos" where the concept of hell is spending eternity locked up with people you hate -I guess in your case you would spend eternity locked up with Ali, Chris, Angelo and Ferdie. Wouldn't that be a hoot..

[ThatOne]

I don't think Gran can keep up with all the people he has beefs with this on this board.

[ThatOne]

Gran:

If you read what I wrote you would understand that I do agree with Cokes, what I don't agree with your obsessive approach.

Read Jean Paul Sartre's "Hui Clos" where the concept of hell is spending eternity locked up with people you hate -I guess in your case you would spend eternity locked up with Ali, Chris, Angelo and Ferdie. Wouldn't that be a hoot..

Don't forget Bundini.


LOL

[granberry]

Gran:

If you read what I wrote you would understand that I do agree with Cokes, what I don't agree with your obsessive approach.

Read Jean Paul Sartre's "Hui Clos" where the concept of hell is spending eternity locked up with people you hate -I guess in your case you would spend eternity locked up with Ali, Chris, Angelo and Ferdie. Wouldn't that be a hoot..

enrique appoints himself both psychiatrist and seer into the afterlife in one post.

I would say you have serious problems, enrique.

[ThatOne]

Gran:

If you read what I wrote you would understand that I do agree with Cokes, what I don't agree with your obsessive approach.

Read Jean Paul Sartre's "Hui Clos" where the concept of hell is spending eternity locked up with people you hate -I guess in your case you would spend eternity locked up with Ali, Chris, Angelo and Ferdie. Wouldn't that be a hoot..

enrique appoints himself both psychiatrist and seer into the afterlife in one post.

I would say you have serious problems, enrique.

When you accuse somebody, granberry, you have four fingers pointing back at yourself.

[Robinson]

I dont think the Gran man hates these guys.
It is just a matter of having passionate beliefs contray
to others.

Knowledge vs Belief and all that jazz.

I am here to learn about boxing. I like the ecclectic mix we
get here. Not much generic cliches one finds else where..
for better and worse ;)