That Eubank Uppercut.

[coghaugen11]

Certainly not out of the question. It is 100% true that Eubank was being taught Wing Chun in the Bronx in his very early 20s, and also Eubank stated he was willing to give his own life or more than willing to take one if neccesary, seeing as it was legal.

Eubank's quality of opposition states otherwise.

He'd have been more likely to have to end the life of, say, Roy Jones or Toney. If he didn't need to fight them, he wasn't going to. In the heat of battle he was willing, to kill.

[TheGreatA]

It was a punch thrown in desperation and landed due to a moment of over-confidence on Watson's behalf who was otherwise fighting the perfect fight. Watson went down and his head viciously hit the ring rope, possibly causing the injury to his brain.

Of course this is just speculation but in the Eubank vs Watson II, Mancini vs Kim & Ramos vs Moore fights the victims all ended up hitting the back of their head on the ring rope. Could this have caused the injury? Or was it the punishment they took? Or possibly both?

Do not watch if you do not wish to see the tragedies again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SrCVph8-u0
Watson-Eubank II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQFPJpVtK8
Mancini-Kim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJMFcpXfyE
Ramos-Moore

[BoxBuzz]

The short answer is yes, the ring rope is a VERY likely culprit to create amplified damaged and is a high probablility that this is why these injuries were so profound.

I'll give some details later if folks are interested but I have to run. You can probably intuit your way to the answer without me.

[skelp]

B*llocks. Watson's head rotates in a clockwise direction after the punch, his brain likewise.

[BoxBuzz]

B*llocks. Watson's head rotates in a clockwise direction after the punch, his brain likewise.

skelp, I was speaking in the "aggregate" that it may apply to many of these examples. Not to Watson in particular. It's a very vulnerable event, unconcious man falling neck on rope. It's POTENTIAL for damage is well beyond the event of landing on canvas. I am not speaking at all about the blow itself. Hope that helps in your processing. I assure you it's not Bollocks.

It's a case of I know what I know, IF you know what I mean.

[BoxBuzz]

B*llocks. Watson's head rotates in a clockwise direction after the punch, his brain likewise.

After reviewing this I have to inform you that it is somewhat likely that the rope would have been a critical factor here. The whiplash he experienced is beyond that of a car accident. I don't mean to be gruesome but my guess is that the report would indicate damage around the 4,5, or 6 vertebrae. The body has no defense in that area for a hit that I saw him take to the back of the neck after being hit by Eubank. The entire weight of his propelled body landing in that area. It's a recipe for severe tissue damage and spinal trauma. Possibly leading to more complications.

Believe it or not a tall chain link fence would provide much in the way of prevention. The ropes are far more dangerous.

You may want to look into the details of this, but it is entirely possible that this may not have been purely the punch itself.

[dberry]

In all my years watching boxing, kickboxing etc. I have seen quite a few people suffer from getting struck in the nerve center by the ropes, on the way down, including a kickboxer K.O.'ing himself. He threw a kick, fell backwards, hit all of the ropes on the way down and was unconscious when he hit the canvass.

[skelp]

The main point of this thread was to highlight that I truelly believe that Eubank tried to kill Watson. I remember Eubank saying to someone at a press conference before a fight that they would "lose their life". But, cannot recall if it was the Watson fight.

[TheGreatA]

And I believe that you're trying to over-dramatize what was actually happening. Eubank likely didn't know where he was at that point and threw a desperation punch with all the power he had that ended up landing flush on Watson's chin. It was not some type of a secret martial art that's designed to kill opponents.

[dberry]

I've studied Martial Arts for two decades (not just boxing but also many eastern ones), this is a load of tripe. Not even. There is a reason why there have been only ever been two true kickboxing champions from a traditional kung fu back ground.

The human body, as fragile as it seams, is a surprisingly resilient thing.

The shocking thing is this sort of crap is taught to timid, 100 pound women as self defense.

[skelp]

I've studied Martial Arts for two decades (not just boxing but also many eastern ones), this is a load of tripe.

As crude as the execution of the punch appears, dberry. You must concede, the angle that the strike lands, could be construed as a martial arts technique that could kill. I can only guess you are playing this down to prevent the morons out their from trying it.

[hhaehre]

I've studied Martial Arts for two decades (not just boxing but also many eastern ones), this is a load of tripe.

As crude as the execution of the punch appears, dberry. You must concede, the angle that the strike lands, could be construed as a martial arts technique that could kill. I can only guess you are playing this down to prevent the morons out their from trying it.

Of the thousands of knockouts caused by uppercuts in the history professional boxing a great many must have landed at a 45 degree angle. Yet I have seen precious few decapitations in professional boxing, how can this be?

[BoxBuzz]

I've studied Martial Arts for two decades (not just boxing but also many eastern ones), this is a load of tripe.

As crude as the execution of the punch appears, dberry. You must concede, the angle that the strike lands, could be construed as a martial arts technique that could kill. I can only guess you are playing this down to prevent the morons out their from trying it.

Of the thousands of knockouts caused by uppercuts in the history professional boxing a great many must have landed at a 45 degree angle. Yet I have seen precious few decapitations in professional boxing, how can this be?

The truth is "out there".

[Jaywheel]

In the heat of battle he was willing, to kill.

Great, use of the, comma. Way more, convincing.

[Knucklez]

I've studied Martial Arts for two decades (not just boxing but also many eastern ones), this is a load of tripe.

As crude as the execution of the punch appears, dberry. You must concede, the angle that the strike lands, could be construed as a martial arts technique that could kill. I can only guess you are playing this down to prevent the morons out their from trying it.

Eubank said in his book that he thought he had lost every round of the fight up until that one punch. He was physically exhausted and beaten and on the verge of losing his title. As someone said earlier, why put himself through that much pain and effort if head a secret killer punch up his sleeve? Why save it till the last minute? What if he missed?

I think you have got this one, wrong.

[BoxBuzz]

If such techniques existed, they would be being utilized wholesale. You think Joe Frazier would have cared just HOW he stopped his opponents? When a boxer KO's a guy he has know idea how it will all end up.

[Goodnight, Irene]

In the heat of battle he was willing, to kill.

Great, use of the, comma. Way more, convincing.

It riled my hornet's nest

[hitman09]

This guy is like the new TML.

Pseudo expertise like this really is hilarious.

[hitman09]

*Only bumped it as I was linked here from another thread, didn't realise it was as old as it is.

[skelp]

Pseudo expertise like this really is hilarious.

Eubank trained in the gym with wall mounted pads, angled specifically at 45 degrees allowing him to practice this punch. Hint, Hint. I can only assume you are ignorant of Eubank as a fighter.

[hitman09]

Pseudo expertise like this really is hilarious.

Eubank trained in the gym with wall mounted pads, angled specifically at 45 degrees allowing him to practice this punch. Hint, Hint. I can only assume you are ignorant of Eubank as a fighter.

I can only assume you are ignorant of logic as a thought form. Proof of these "wall mounted pads"?

[Panzerfaust]

Pseudo expertise like this really is hilarious.

Eubank trained in the gym with wall mounted pads, angled specifically at 45 degrees allowing him to practice this punch. Hint, Hint. I can only assume you are ignorant of Eubank as a fighter.

And Bruce Lee would kill a prime Frazier , right?

[skelp]

I can only assume you are ignorant of logic as a thought form. Proof of these "wall mounted pads"?

It is you who is ignorant. Do your own research. I have seen Eubank in training sessions using it. It is all too clear that you did not follow Eubank's career.

[skelp]

And Bruce Lee would kill a prime Frazier , right?

No doubt.

[hitman09]

It is you who is ignorant. Do your own research. I have seen Eubank in training sessions using it. It is all too clear that you did not follow Eubank's career.

2 things here.
1. Learn to edit quotes.
2. If you say something, you are required to back it up. It is not on me to disprove your bullshit, rather it is on you to prove it.