How to 'Funk' up Boxing.

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Just reading my Boxing Monthly while I am in bed with flu - great read!

Dana Whoite is featured (UFC) - and he s right, boxing presentation is tired - memorable intros since the days of Naz and Eubank are not there these dayts.


Any idea to funk it up?

How about Promoters show other figthters from their stable in 'great fights' that we have not really seen, can help build them? This is the case with the guys who only tuern up when theoir fighter is on..


DURING THE 60 SECOND BREAK SHOW THE FIGHTERS WITH NO SOUND ON SO AS NOT TO DISTRACT THE CORNERS ETC.

Any more?

Maybe they can show Fwank Vs Tyson? Tysons last great victory.


:OhYes:
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Yeah, adding a bit of spazz and sparkle goes halfway. They need to be putting on well matched fights.

Other than foxhunting and all the bullshit "sports" like that, the root of all sport is competative athletic spectacles.
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Boxing can learn a lot from pro wrestling in terms of spectacle and creating a buzz. The fights that sell most are the ones with the biggest personalities and/or rivalries which the piublic can follow and identify with. Obviously not all boxers are charismatic and not all have fascinating back stories, but at the very least I think the TV broadcasts could have small "packages" about the fighters before the contests start - highlight KOs, memorable quotes, etc. This could also be part of the fighters' ring entrances on big screens in the arena.

I know some will scoff of at any mention of pro wrestling, but the WWE performs in huge stadiums and has monthly PPVs that sell well. And that's mostly to do with marketing/presentation. You can't argue with numbers.

Of course boxing's bread and butter is good fights, plain and simple, but promoting the sport as a spectacle to the general public - and, crucially, the younger public - can't be a bad thing.
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The one thing that drives me nuts about boxing is that you never know when the fights are going to happen - would really make a difference if the PA system had a 10min, 5min, 1 min countdown to fights. Take your seats now etc. Would also help stop people spending the whole time in the bar for the big arena fights.

The Excel is terrible for this on FW shows - you could be sat in your seat for 40mins waiting for fights or similarly go to the bar for 30 mins and miss 2 fights that you wanted to see!
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I like the idea of the Super 6, getting the best in the division together and fighting over a period of time to see who is the legitamite champion of their respected divisions.
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oliverfennell wrote:Boxing can learn a lot from pro wrestling in terms of spectacle and creating a buzz. The fights that sell most are the ones with the biggest personalities and/or rivalries which the piublic can follow and identify with. Obviously not all boxers are charismatic and not all have fascinating back stories, but at the very least I think the TV broadcasts could have small "packages" about the fighters before the contests start - highlight KOs, memorable quotes, etc. This could also be part of the fighters' ring entrances on big screens in the arena.

I know some will scoff of at any mention of pro wrestling, but the WWE performs in huge stadiums and has monthly PPVs that sell well. And that's mostly to do with marketing/presentation. You can't argue with numbers.

Of course boxing's bread and butter is good fights, plain and simple, but promoting the sport as a spectacle to the general public - and, crucially, the younger public - can't be a bad thing.
And, even though WWE is fixed, you still don't know who will win- which makes it more exciting, just like watching a good film for the first time.

I used to enjoy the British wrestling (3 or 4 years ago I went a lot) because it was only about £6, and a bit less for children, so a cheap enough evening out on a Friday.

To take the family to a boxing show is at least £100+ - for a bigger, show, maybe even £200+ - the cost of a cheap holiday!

That said, I went to a WWE show, and it was pretty rubbish to be honest. A GOOD boxing show, with well matched bouts, is much better entertainment.
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MacTavish wrote:The one thing that drives me nuts about boxing is that you never know when the fights are going to happen - would really make a difference if the PA system had a 10min, 5min, 1 min countdown to fights. Take your seats now etc. Would also help stop people spending the whole time in the bar for the big arena fights.

The Excel is terrible for this on FW shows - you could be sat in your seat for 40mins waiting for fights or similarly go to the bar for 30 mins and miss 2 fights that you wanted to see!
Yeah it would be nice if they at least gave the crowd some idea of what was going on.

At the end of the day, though, there wouldn't be much that could be done to stop the people who simply come but don't watch the fights and just drink.

I'd love it if arena staff obliged people to only leave or return to seats during intervals, but that is never going to happen.

Flat floor seats , you can guarantee there will be a constant stream of people coming and going -often blocking the view. :witzend:
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whicker wrote:
oliverfennell wrote:Boxing can learn a lot from pro wrestling in terms of spectacle and creating a buzz. The fights that sell most are the ones with the biggest personalities and/or rivalries which the piublic can follow and identify with. Obviously not all boxers are charismatic and not all have fascinating back stories, but at the very least I think the TV broadcasts could have small "packages" about the fighters before the contests start - highlight KOs, memorable quotes, etc. This could also be part of the fighters' ring entrances on big screens in the arena.

I know some will scoff of at any mention of pro wrestling, but the WWE performs in huge stadiums and has monthly PPVs that sell well. And that's mostly to do with marketing/presentation. You can't argue with numbers.

Of course boxing's bread and butter is good fights, plain and simple, but promoting the sport as a spectacle to the general public - and, crucially, the younger public - can't be a bad thing.
And, even though WWE is fixed, you still don't know who will win- which makes it more exciting, just like watching a good film for the first time.

I used to enjoy the British wrestling (3 or 4 years ago I went a lot) because it was only about £6, and a bit less for children, so a cheap enough evening out on a Friday.

To take the family to a boxing show is at least £100+ - for a bigger, show, maybe even £200+ - the cost of a cheap holiday!

That said, I went to a WWE show, and it was pretty rubbish to be honest. A GOOD boxing show, with well matched bouts, is much better entertainment.
Yeah, I think WWE is too comfortable in its dominant position to really capture the imagination anymore, but nevertheless I think my points are valid. It's still selling very well and what you said about the show you went to suggests that's more to do with the spectacle than the in-ring content.

However the spectacle, the "event", can be what sells in boxing. Look at Eubank. He was not consistently entertaining in the actual fights - in fact, some of them were downright dire - but he continued to be box office gold because he had bags of charisma and showmanship and his entrances alone were often worth seeing live.

Other examples of boxers who sold well on their own: Naz (showman/braggart extraordinaire), Tyson (unpredictable bad boy), Hatton (one of the lads).

Rivalries/fights which captured the public's attention: Benn-Eubank (no-nonsense hardman against eccentric snob), Mayweather-Hatton (bling bling vs blue collar), Haye-Valuev (charismatic British hope against "invincible" giant).

The point is, characters, stories, angles and rivalries sell, as they are things the paying public can identify with. Something like Rhodes-Moore is referred to a great "trade fight", because it appeals to those who already follow the sport closely and know it's likely to be a cracker, but to the general public it means very little. Even if you bang on to your mate in work about how good it's going to be, he won't cancel his night at the pub to watch it because the names are not recognisable. But, while a Rhodes-Moore 24/7 would be unrealistic, there could certainly be ways of building the hype to the non-converted through "advertorial" packages on Sky Sports - highlights of Moore's more sensational fights, Rhodes' flashy "Spice Boy" style, etc. Neither of these guys would ever be a Naz or a Mayweather in charisma/soundbite terms, but most boxers at least have exciting archive footage which can be called upon.
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The board should allow fan's to drink in the venue that would help fighter's sell ticket's which would help atmosphere's at these show's as most fan's are found in the bar throughout contest's until their fighter is on and you see a huge rush. I think this would generate more interest at shows and make them more popular.
Build up for big shows like U.F.C. Countdown, 24-7 etc this would again help promote big event's in this country gaining more interest and get adrenalin running. I love watching 24-7 or U.F.C. countdown when it features training footage, previous fight's etc it get's people in the mood to watch and talk about event's.
Use big screens at the shows with sound effect's more, u been at the U.F.C. it's a quality atmosphere when they use the huge screens throughout the event showing highlight's and sound effect's get's the crowd going wild and help's build the atmosphere up in the venue.
More open workout's, I enjoy watching fighter's work out in public and i'm a pro fighter the average fan enjoy's watching these too, u ever seen the Trafford centre or Triangle when local pro fighters are working out it generates plenty of interest and can help promote the fighter's and up-coming shows!!
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A Spud 24/7 is the way to go.

The drama of setting out the chairs, nay, nay the actual making sure there will be enough chairs to set up is enough to get the mob salivating and wanting more! Imagine the tension as Spudly realises there may not be enough bog roll if the show goes "long".

And the aftermath. All goes well. The favourites win and the camera pans to a long shot of Spud, my favourite martian, chewing gum and sweeping up, happy with his life.

It's a winner, Tom.
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oliverfennell wrote:
whicker wrote:
oliverfennell wrote:Boxing can learn a lot from pro wrestling in terms of spectacle and creating a buzz. The fights that sell most are the ones with the biggest personalities and/or rivalries which the piublic can follow and identify with. Obviously not all boxers are charismatic and not all have fascinating back stories, but at the very least I think the TV broadcasts could have small "packages" about the fighters before the contests start - highlight KOs, memorable quotes, etc. This could also be part of the fighters' ring entrances on big screens in the arena.

I know some will scoff of at any mention of pro wrestling, but the WWE performs in huge stadiums and has monthly PPVs that sell well. And that's mostly to do with marketing/presentation. You can't argue with numbers.

Of course boxing's bread and butter is good fights, plain and simple, but promoting the sport as a spectacle to the general public - and, crucially, the younger public - can't be a bad thing.
And, even though WWE is fixed, you still don't know who will win- which makes it more exciting, just like watching a good film for the first time.

I used to enjoy the British wrestling (3 or 4 years ago I went a lot) because it was only about £6, and a bit less for children, so a cheap enough evening out on a Friday.

To take the family to a boxing show is at least £100+ - for a bigger, show, maybe even £200+ - the cost of a cheap holiday!

That said, I went to a WWE show, and it was pretty rubbish to be honest. A GOOD boxing show, with well matched bouts, is much better entertainment.
Yeah, I think WWE is too comfortable in its dominant position to really capture the imagination anymore, but nevertheless I think my points are valid. It's still selling very well and what you said about the show you went to suggests that's more to do with the spectacle than the in-ring content.

However the spectacle, the "event", can be what sells in boxing. Look at Eubank. He was not consistently entertaining in the actual fights - in fact, some of them were downright dire - but he continued to be box office gold because he had bags of charisma and showmanship and his entrances alone were often worth seeing live.

Other examples of boxers who sold well on their own: Naz (showman/braggart extraordinaire), Tyson (unpredictable bad boy), Hatton (one of the lads).

Rivalries/fights which captured the public's attention: Benn-Eubank (no-nonsense hardman against eccentric snob), Mayweather-Hatton (bling bling vs blue collar), Haye-Valuev (charismatic British hope against "invincible" giant).

The point is, characters, stories, angles and rivalries sell, as they are things the paying public can identify with. Something like Rhodes-Moore is referred to a great "trade fight", because it appeals to those who already follow the sport closely and know it's likely to be a cracker, but to the general public it means very little. Even if you bang on to your mate in work about how good it's going to be, he won't cancel his night at the pub to watch it because the names are not recognisable. But, while a Rhodes-Moore 24/7 would be unrealistic, there could certainly be ways of building the hype to the non-converted through "advertorial" packages on Sky Sports - highlights of Moore's more sensational fights, Rhodes' flashy "Spice Boy" style, etc. Neither of these guys would ever be a Naz or a Mayweather in charisma/soundbite terms, but most boxers at least have exciting archive footage which can be called upon.

Yes- I know exactly what you mean.

And something else that is woefully under-exploited is the idea of the WHOLE SHOW being an event, tournament at boxing.

Prizefighter, of course, is the exception to this.

But I think what might work, if any promoter were ever to try it , would be a "War of the Rose" (for example) show.

EG 7 fights, 7 Yorkshire Boxers, 7 Lancashire Boxers- the Bill being topped by Moore V Rhodes, Jennings V Brook etc and the undercard featuring bouts which people in the crowd could get behind one fighter or the other- even if they didn't know them personally.

Thats one thing WWE does so well- they make it so that (generally) the crowd want one fighter to win or the other- the crowd are interested in seeing who wins, and have someone to cheer for.

Before people say "It would never happen" I've seen that format used well in both amateur boxing (Lancs V Mancs was a good one) and Professional MMA (in the States- not sure who the two "sides" where, I think two different training camps. But it worked well- one group V the other throughout the evening.)
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matko wrote:Use big screens at the shows with sound effect's more, u been at the U.F.C. it's a quality atmosphere when they use the huge screens throughout the event showing highlight's and sound effect's get's the crowd going wild and help's build the atmosphere up in the venue.
Agree completely. The lack of big screens at boxing venues REALLY needs to be addressed now that it's commonplace in WWE and UFC. And yes, using them to show pre-fight highlights of the competitors is an excellent idea.
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whicker wrote:And something else that is woefully under-exploited is the idea of the WHOLE SHOW being an event, tournament at boxing.

Very much so. Prizefighter, as you said, and the Contender UK v USA, too. Also longer tournaments such as Super Six or events with "semi-finals" (e.g. Hopkins-Brown/De La Hoya-Sturm) are good because they give fans continuity and reasons to stay tuned.
whicker wrote:Thats one thing WWE does so well- they make it so that (generally) the crowd want one fighter to win or the other- the crowd are interested in seeing who wins, and have someone to cheer for.
Absolutely. That's why Hatton-Mayweather, Tyson-Bruno, Benn-Eubank etc did so well. Although of course the difference is that in boxing, rivalries are more natural, whereas in wrestling they are almost always created. I wouldn't for one minute suggest boxers should create false personas or rivalries. However fans can be given reasons to cheer along national/regional lines with appropriate matchmaking and marketing.
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I could see a war of the roses night being hijacked by Leeds/Man Utd knobs unfortunately.

Like the concept though - would be up for a "North Vs South London" night at York Hall for example. :box:
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"I wouldn't for one minute suggest boxers should create false personas or rivalries." - I would argue David Haye does this already to a certain extent to hype the fights with the Klits/Valuev...
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MacTavish wrote:"I wouldn't for one minute suggest boxers should create false personas or rivalries." - I would argue David Haye does this already to a certain extent to hype the fights with the Klits/Valuev...
Yes, you're probably right, but he is a bombastic and charismatic individual anyway, so it's not much of a stretch for him to exagerrate that a bit. But for boxers who are more taciturn or shy, it would be a stretch to expect them to trash talk or adopt a "character" for the purpose of hyping a fight.
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Somehow stop knackers going to the fights. The biggets turn-off for me is having to sit beside a gang of scummers and maybe end up in a row, it's happened a few times.
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MacTavish wrote:I could see a war of the roses night being hijacked by Leeds/Man Utd knobs unfortunately.
Yes, this is always going to be an issue in an event between rival groups.

That said, alcahol may well be a factor.

Also, comptent security could be installed (but then, the ££££ factor comes into play.)
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DG - good thread!!! :TU: :TU:

Where do we start!!!

How about TV not issuing long term show deals and simply issuing a contract on a show to show basis - some will say a promoter could not plan on that basis - I will argue they did before boxing went big on our screens and it would up the ante with regards to promoters getting top quality fights and shows.

I will move onto the responsibilities of the BBBofC - the promoter and TV a little later!!!
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Spud wrote:it would up the ante with regards to promoters getting top quality fights and shows.
I think the root of it all is this- would top quality fights and shows actually attract more viewers and interest?

Or is some more "sparkle" needed somewhere?

Personally, I'd say they would gain viewers if they could both spice up the "spectale" and the quality of bouts.
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whicker wrote:
Spud wrote:it would up the ante with regards to promoters getting top quality fights and shows.
I think the root of it all is this- would top quality fights and shows actually attract more viewers and interest?

Or is some more "sparkle" needed somewhere?

Personally, I'd say they would gain viewers if they could both spice up the "spectale" and the quality of bouts.
Whicker,

If all promoters had a fight by fight - show by show contract instead of anything long term - watch them up the ante!!!!
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Was at MGM for Pav v Cotto and pre fight they used the screens above the ring to show KO's & fights etc of the 2 fighters which was good, then zoomed on on all the celebrities and ex boxers in the crowd while the MC gave them a shout. It got the crowd in the mood for the spectacle that was to follow
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how about naked laDies mud wrestling to horn up the punters :P
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JCB123 wrote:Was at MGM for Pav v Cotto and pre fight they used the screens above the ring to show KO's & fights etc of the 2 fighters which was good, then zoomed on on all the celebrities and ex boxers in the crowd while the MC gave them a shout It got the crowd in the mood for the spectacle that was to follow
Just imagine Mark Burdis trying to cope with that. It would be funny just watching it. :lol:
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oliverfennell wrote:
MacTavish wrote:"I wouldn't for one minute suggest boxers should create false personas or rivalries." - I would argue David Haye does this already to a certain extent to hype the fights with the Klits/Valuev...
Yes, you're probably right, but he is a bombastic and charismatic individual anyway, so it's not much of a stretch for him to exagerrate that a bit. But for boxers who are more taciturn or shy, it would be a stretch to expect them to trash talk or adopt a "character" for the purpose of hyping a fight.
Yeah with Valuev they found a good marketable angle and ran with it. Haye's repeated slagging off and jibing and Valuev helped sell it. I don't think he'll do as big a numbers for Ruiz because there isn't an angle there.
Boxers generally need to do more to sell fights though. Look at Anthony Small, his fights won't be memorable but he chats gibberish and it gets people interested. Munroe has the whole binman persona.
Look at Malignaggi, 3 of his last 4 fights have been for decent money on HBO because he's outspoken and sells his fights, compare that with Tim Bradley, a better and more exciting fighter but perhaps doesn't get as much press attention.
The reason Floyd Mayweather sells so many is because people tune in to see him get beat. He sold much more against De La Hoya and Hatton than Pacquiao because he was so outspoken and created that angle, whereas Pacquiao a much more exciting fighter was a lot more gracious. Just look at Floyd-Marquez as well, a mismatch but it sold just as many as the fight of the year with Pacquiao and Cotto.
It's not enough for boxers to just turn up these days, they need to get noticed by the top newspapers and subsequently will get public recognition.
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