Suggestions for BoxRec - Archived

[Emaster]

How about a statistics page on which BoxRec data are analyzed?

could you expand on what you would stats like to see ?

I'd like to know, for instance, how many fights in the database ended in a win/loss, draw, or NC/ND and how many of the wins/losses were UDs, MDs, SDs, TDs, (T)KOs, RTDs, or DQs. How many fights ended in a certain round and with a certain result (e.g. first round KOs)? How many NWSs are recorded? The number of fights per year could be shown, or the total number of fights held in a country, region, city/town, or venue. Of course, not only the total numbers but also percentages would be of interest and graphic illustrations welcome.

[wouter]

I'd like to know, for instance, how many fights in the database ended in a win/loss

I'd say the win/loss ratio is about 50/50.

[Asterix]

I'd love to see some advanced options for the ratings. So you could limit by age, height, number of fights, etc.

http://boxrec.com/ratings.php

[JDC]

I'd love to see some advanced options for the ratings. So you could limit by age, height, number of fights, etc.

http://boxrec.com/ratings.php

I'd like to be able see records against fighters who were over say 500 boxrec points when they fought. A points scale style search would allow us to do this. Record Vs Maximum Boxrec Ranking (...insert number...) and Record Vs Minimum Boxrec Ranking (...insert number...)

We often say things like ''Domestic'', ''European'', ''World'' level fighter. Would be good if we could quantify these terms a little.

E.g A fighter may have a bad record against 500+ ranked opponents, but may be undefeated against a lower ranking range like 250-500. This fighter would probably be considered ''European'' level or an equivalent Continental term. Breaking fighters records down like this would give us some interesting results and allow us to see which fighters are being overlooked or may be ready to step up.

[Emaster]

The boxers' records do not only show their opponents' names, but also their opponents' records from before their contests, e.g. 40-20-10. I suggest including stoppage information as well: 40(20)-20(10)-10. NCs should also be included: 40(20)-20(10)-10-5

The inclusion of NCs/NDs seems to be even more justified now that NWSs are recorded as NDs. Otherwise the records of fighters who competed in a large number of no decision-fights look significantly thinner when displayed in the W-L-D column.

How about a statistics page on which BoxRec data are analyzed?

could you expand on what you would stats like to see ?

I'd like to know, for instance, how many fights in the database ended in a win/loss, draw, or NC/ND and how many of the wins/losses were UDs, MDs, SDs, TDs, (T)KOs, RTDs, or DQs. How many fights ended in a certain round and with a certain result (e.g. first round KOs)? How many NWSs are recorded? The number of fights per year could be shown, or the total number of fights held in a country, region, city/town, or venue. Of course, not only the total numbers but also percentages would be of interest and graphic illustrations welcome.

Advanced searchabilty of the database would enable users to answer the questions above themselves and has been requested:

there also needs to be some type of "advanced search" that brings all the current searches into one place with more flexible accurate searches

Is it possible to do an advanced search of the records?

If I were able to search for a number of these keywords rather than just a surname or location it would make my search a lot easier, thanks.

'reporting' facilities - ability to run queries against fighter database (ie provide list of all active Southpaws from Uzbekistan with more than 10 fights)....

is the boxrec database sql query-able? (purely read-only).

was thinking for stuff like analysing fighter records.. drilling down into (for example) fighter X's 34-0-1 record and compiling a summary W-L-D stat for the 35 opponents, etc.. or even simple stuff, How many world champs are from my hometown etc.

I'd love to see some advanced options for the ratings. So you could limit by age, height, number of fights, etc.

http://boxrec.com/ratings.php

Some specific queries:

Isaw some time back an special on HBO that talked about of the worst records in boxing but I forgot the names

Can anyone help?

1. Who was the heaviest heavyweight boxer ever in boxing history and what did he weigh?

2. Who holds the record for knocking out his opponent in the shortest amount of time ever? And what was this record time?

well has anyone got 50-0 yet

To paraphrase a few more queries:
- Which boxers have scored more than 100 KOs?
- Which boxer has had the highest KO percentage?
- Which boxer has had the most fights?
- Which boxer has had the most fights without winning one?
- Which fights have pitted undefeated boxers against each other?

The first step towards answering the queries is making the qualities a fighter is attributed selectable.

For instance, there should be an "all heights" command displaying all boxers who are attributed their heights in BoxRec. One should also be able to select one height (e.g. 5′ 4) several heights (e.g. 5′ 4, 5′ 6, 5′ 8, 5′ 10) or a range of heights (e.g. 5′ 4 to 5′ 10) with the respective boxers being shown.

The order of precedence of the criteria by which the displayed boxers are sorted should also be adjustable.

For instance, the boxers ranging from 5′ 4 to 5′ 10 could first of all be listed by the selected quality itself i.e. by height with equally tall boxers being sorted by reach, then by weight division, then in alphabetical order.

The same applies to the other qualities a fighter is attributed i.e. his Global ID, sex, birth date, death date, manager/agent, division, ratings, stance, reach, US ID, alias, nationality, residence, birth place, birth name, (NWS) (KO) wins, (NWS) (KO) losses, (NWS) draws, NCs/NDs, total (NWS) bouts, total (NWS) rounds boxed, KO percentage.

The second step is making different qualities combinable.

For instance, boxers ranging from 5′ 4 to 5′ 10 who were born in the 1970s could be listed.

Likewise, data associated with fights (date, location, weight division, contestant 1, contestant 2, their respective weights and records at the time of the fight, the result, the number of rounds, the number of rounds scheduled, the time, the referee, the judges, their scores, the title(s) at stake) or cards (commission, inspector(s), promoter(s), doctor(s), matchmaker(s), television, number of fights on the card) could be made selectable and combinable so that fights or cards would be displayed accordingly.

Being able to additionally select qualities of the fighters involved could, for example, result in a list of fights held on US soil in the 70s pitting Americans from New York State against one another.

What city has produced the most champions? Is it Philadelphia? The Bronx? By champion, I mean only title holders of the major sanctioning bodies.

Of all the nations in the world, which has had the most champions, all weights, all time.

At least, won title fights sorted by the nationality or residence of the respective winners could be listed if there was an advanced search as suggested. (Champions need not necessarily have won title fights.)

But even such an advanced search could not answer these queries:
- Which boxers have never faced opponents with losing records?
- Which boxers have defeated every opponent they faced?
- Which boxer has had the most KOs to start his career?

How could they be answered?

More suggestions:

If the fights listed on a boxer's, referee's or judge's record provided links to the cards on which they were held, those cards could be accessed without first having to click on the dates of the fights and look for them on the date pages.

The history of fighter, fight and card entries could be made viewable like the history of wiki pages and a function could be revived which was once in use and seems to have worked like the wiki's Recent changes page:

BoxRec Editors enter hundreds of historical and new bouts daily. It appears that anyone, not just the Editors, can view these entries without needing an Editor password. All you have to do is go here:
http://www.boxrec.com/last_in.php

Bookmark this page and come back often to see what "new" bouts have been entered since your last visit.

Compilation of other users' suggestions:

it would be great to be able to enter a date (month/year) & weightclass and have boxrec return the list of beltholders at that moment in time.

Say you needed to know who held the heavyweight belts in Jan '82, or who the other middleweight champs were at the time Jones/Hop fought in '93, etc...

The dates on which reigns began and ended would need to be entered into the database to make that possible.

A thought I had the other day when looking at your site was how helpful it would be for each fight on someones record to be numbered. It would be very useful when looking at someones record because you could see at a glance how many fights someone had before they got beat, had a title shot or fought someone of note.

Why not just add the fighter's record coming into each fight, in the same way the opponent's record is listed?

PTS 10 means a fighter won a decision where the manner was unknown; whether it be unanimous, split, or majority. It also could mean that there was only one official scoring, and that official cited with the winner. That would be the case in present day domestic British fights.

Which leads me to a sugestion -- "W ref" where the referee is the sole arbiter

I think it would make things much more convenient and save a little bit of bandwidth if you put a basic first and last name search field in the top frame on boxrec, so that people don't have to click through to search for a fighter which I assume is what most of the people coming to the site do.

For me, a lot of times, I am just trying to grab a record really quick, but it seems like I have to go through this multiple page advanced search process which is really more than I need most of the time. Even taking one extra page load out of that sequence would make it a lot more convenient for many people I am sure.

On page with schedule | results it would be nice to see current rating and last 6 for each boxer. It could help to find important fights if fight is not a title fight.

is there a possibilty of making the descriptions of belts into hyperlinks? so that when someone looks at Kevin Mitchell for example, and it shows his next fight with the IBF inter-continental super-featherweight belt on the line, they can click on the belt and it goes to the page showing the history of that belt?

I beleive a more important box would be place of death. Knowing where a fighter died oftentimes gives access to obituaries and other info that can be used for furhter research.

The star rating for bouts is excellent, it really catches the eye and assists with seeking out bouts of note. The 5-star link on the front page is great. So...

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE can we have a drop down box, i.e 3* and above etc

I am positive this would be used much more often than the "title" or "tv" options.

One thing that I've always found frustrating when perusing the Boxrec ratings is the lack of a quick way to check for upcoming bouts for fighters - you either have to review the separate schedules of upcoming fights, do a search, or click on a particular boxer to see if he's got anything coming up.

Would it be terribly difficult to add a "Next Scheduled Bout" column to the fighter ratings tables? Contents could be date/venue/opponent/opponent-ranking . The rankings tables (at least as I see them in Firefox) leave plenty of room in terms of width, so I don't think a few extra inches of column width would hurt the page display.

[toobox_1]

alot of us that matchmake care about NC losses because they show us who has a history of drugs and other things that if known we would hesitate to use that fighter.

[m1kee50]

is there a possibilty of making the descriptions of belts into hyperlinks? so that when someone looks at Kevin Mitchell for example, and it shows his next fight with the IBF inter-continental super-featherweight belt on the line, they can click on the belt and it goes to the page showing the history of that belt?

And no-one ever got back to me about that... lol

[Zandman]

I'm really enjoying the new "watch list".
I've been looking for a feature exactly like this, since I follow many boxers whose fights aren't always widely reported in the media.

Still, there is something missing: I'd very much like to be able to sort the fighters in my watch list by the "next bout" column, since that is the main reason for needing to set up a watch list in the first place. If that were a possibility, I'd have access to a sort of personalized fight schedule that would update itself. I'm no expert, but I don't think that should be very hard to implement, especially since Boxrec's date format (YYYY-MM-DD) is perfect for listing, even in an "alphabetical" manner.
Also, I'd like to see the option to put more than 20 fighters on one page. I see no reason that page should be limited to 20.

[Asterix]

I'm really enjoying the new "watch list".
I've been looking for a feature exactly like this, since I follow many boxers whose fights aren't always widely reported in the media.

Still, there is something missing: I'd very much like to be able to sort the fighters in my watch list by the "next bout" column, since that is the main reason for needing to set up a watch list in the first place. If that were a possibility, I'd have access to a sort of personalized fight schedule that would update itself. I'm no expert, but I don't think that should be very hard to implement, especially since Boxrec's date format (YYYY-MM-DD) is perfect for listing, even in an "alphabetical" manner.
Also, I'd like to see the option to put more than 20 fighters on one page. I see no reason that page should be limited to 20.

Agreed on both counts.

[AntonS]

Spreading boxer's upcoming fights all over the joint would defeat the purpose of the feature.
e.g. Mostyn Niemann http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
Why have his next fight near the top of the list, next half way down & third maybe on second page?
I'd simply click on his name @ first scheduled fight, which would instantly show me all the other upcoming fights.

[Asterix]

Spreading boxer's upcoming fights all over the joint would defeat the purpose of the feature.
e.g. Mostyn Niemann http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
Why have his next fight near the top of the list, next half way down & third maybe on second page?
I'd simply click on his name @ first scheduled fight, which would instantly show me all the other upcoming fights.

I don't know who you're responding to as you quoted no-one, but just to be sure, Zandman wasn't suggesting what you've written above.

[AntonS]

I'll have another read when I sober up :P

[Zandman]

Spreading boxer's upcoming fights all over the joint would defeat the purpose of the feature.
e.g. Mostyn Niemann http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
Why have his next fight near the top of the list, next half way down & third maybe on second page?
I'd simply click on his name @ first scheduled fight, which would instantly show me all the other upcoming fights.

I don't know who you're responding to as you quoted no-one, but just to be sure, Zandman wasn't suggesting what you've written above.

No, I wasn't suggesting that. I'm pretty sure.
To be honest, I'm unable to decipher exactly what is written above, and I'm amazed that anyone can. Mostyn Niemann? Next half way down?

[AntonS]

I guess I misunderstood your post. I'll have another read of it when I got time on my hands.

[Zandman]

I guess I misunderstood your post. I'll have another read of it when I got time on my hands.

OK, thanks - just reply to this post if you need me to rephrase it and make it clearer.

[Bill Mack]

I just stumbled into your web site about a year ago and am very impressed with your web site. I remember the older fighters who fought in the 50's and 60's and am amazed at how correct you folk's are.

Keep up the great work. I really don't know how you do it.

Bill Mack
Greendale Wi
[email protected]

[Zandman]

Still wondering about when (or if) it'll be possible to sort all upcoming fights by date in my watch list.
As I understand it, the entire purpose of a watch list, is to keep track of all the fighters you're interested in and when they're fighting next... so wouldn't it be practical to be able to list by upcoming fight date instead of just lazily sorting the list by fighters, alphabetically? With no option to list more than 20 fighters on one page?

Just tell me if this is much harder to implement than I believe it is, and I'll get off everyone's backs.

[orbtastic]

I know titles are searchable, but would it be hard to make the title clickable on a fighter's page, the way that date/names are?

[pugilisticspecialist]

There should be an option on each fighters' page to view the age they were when they faced each opponent. This would give you a bit of insight into the "context" of historical bouts.

For example: we could see that Muhammad Ali was a dynamic age 20 when he fought Archie Moore, and a creaky age 38 when he fought Larry Holmes.

You could have this as an on/off option in the bar where all of the other view choices are, right above the bout list.

[Asterix]

Still wondering about when (or if) it'll be possible to sort all upcoming fights by date in my watch list.
As I understand it, the entire purpose of a watch list, is to keep track of all the fighters you're interested in and when they're fighting next... so wouldn't it be practical to be able to list by upcoming fight date instead of just lazily sorting the list by fighters, alphabetically? With no option to list more than 20 fighters on one page?

Just tell me if this is much harder to implement than I believe it is, and I'll get off everyone's backs.

It's very, very easy to implement. I don't think your suggestion has been read by the right people/person.

[m1kee50]

I know titles are searchable, but would it be hard to make the title clickable on a fighter's page, the way that date/names are?

I've asked this before, I assume it would mean adding the url tags to every mention of a title in the database

[Asterix]

I know titles are searchable, but would it be hard to make the title clickable on a fighter's page, the way that date/names are?

I've asked this before, I assume it would mean adding the url tags to every mention of a title in the database

The pages are global templates, so it would mean adding the URL tags only once and some modification of the PHP code to ascertain what URL needs to be generated.

As far as I can see.

[m1kee50]

I know titles are searchable, but would it be hard to make the title clickable on a fighter's page, the way that date/names are?

I've asked this before, I assume it would mean adding the url tags to every mention of a title in the database

The pages are global templates, so it would mean adding the URL tags only once and some modification of the PHP code to ascertain what URL needs to be generated.

As far as I can see.

and fcuk me if they havent gone and done it

[Zandman]

Watch list now sorted automatically by fight date.
I'm so happy I could cry. D

[Asterix]

Nice to hear the changes have been implemented. Good stuff.