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Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 25 Feb 2005, 08:50

In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:28

seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:34

knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong

Yeah. I didnt think of that. Fair enough

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:37

knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong

Marciano was technically a lot better than Skelton, his punching technique was spot on. It's just that he had little defence and only one way of fighting, but it was enough.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:42

james you nerd

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:44

knockout wrote:seems fair enough...
he is black like sonny

Plus he's bald........

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Feb 2005, 09:45

Graham Brett wrote:In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor

so he is the new hero after Harrison and Williams

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:12

The comparison makes mine between a certain recently deceased Philadelphian heavyweight and Chris Byrd appear uncanny.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:13

Marciano and Liston are both stiffs. Is that what they meant?

E · Post by E » 25 Feb 2005, 10:19

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong
Marciano was technically a lot better than Skelton, his punching technique was spot on. It's just that he had little defence and only one way of fighting, but it was enough.

Marciano had very underrated defence, he used to slip under shots and move in awkwardky without presenting too much of a target.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:21

I know what you mean, but the fact he came forward all the time meant he caught a lot of shots. He wasn't quite a bob and weaver if you know what I mean, but the crouch made him hard to hit.

Can you imagine Marciano v Holyfield at cruiserweight, lord jesus!

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:41

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Marciano and Liston are both stiffs. Is that what they meant?

or that they were both born in the same year :P

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:51

LOL, just to clarify incase you guys were taking me too literally, of course Marciano had more skill than Skelton......

but in undisputed heavyweight champion terms he is definately lower quartile

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:58

Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Feb 2005, 10:59

silkov wrote:Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.

hmmm a shot in the crown jewels i suppose doing it and not getting caught by the ref is a skill...

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 25 Feb 2005, 11:10

why is it the people actually in the boxing business have more shit tinted glasses than the fans?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Feb 2005, 11:19

silkov wrote:Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.

Yeah his 'Suzy-Q' hybrid punch/elbow deserves a special mention.

My T Sharp · Post by **My T Sharp** » 25 Feb 2005, 15:07

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/art ... 20Standard

Just read the article, Skelton is only like Marciano & Liston when he adopts his streetfighting style.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Feb 2005, 15:52

Really, laugh's aside, to compare Skelton with either Marciano or Liston is both ludicrous in the extreme and deeply insulting to both the memories of two great warriors and to those boxing fans who still have more than two brain cells to rub together on a cold night!.
Liston was one of the most technically sound Heavyweights I've seen, great balance, good speed, great power and a jab that looked like it could take heads off... to compare him with Skelton is like comparing my 93 yearold neighbor with Cathrine Zeta-Jones.
Ok, Skelton is black, bald and old.... thats about it, as far as comparisons go with Liston go.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Feb 2005, 06:03

Maloney is an idiot.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 26 Feb 2005, 06:07

steve689 wrote:Maloney is an idiot.

Alledgedly

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 26 Feb 2005, 06:34

It was Frank who said it and they didn't compare Skelton to either Marciano or Liston, they said that Liston and Marciano were both brawlers and they both became World Champions and pretty decent ones.

I don't think anyone in the Skelton camp pretends that he is the greatest boxer in the world, but he'll always come to fight and the crowd loved it last night even if the purists didn't. He got the job done and he won the fight

What about Skelton against some of the old timers, ie. Jack Bodell or Danny McAlinden they would have been real brawls.

Kev

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Feb 2005, 06:40

jomothepure wrote:
steve689 wrote:Maloney is an idiot.
Alledgedly

Of course, cheers mate

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 26 Feb 2005, 09:26

Liston wasn't a brawler though, he was a very good boxer with a great jab and good punch... to call him a brawler is to completely overlook his main talents and abilities. Marciano was a brawler in a real hard and intelligent manner... he was a great infighter basically.
Skelton is a mauler rather than an infighter... ne smothers much of his work and generally wins by tiring his limited and rather unfit opponents.
I've nothing against Skelton personally but when his team start comparing him to two of the most outstanding heavyweights of all time it is rather beyond a joke... Frwank should remember that there are some of us who have actually seen Marciano and Liston fight!.

Jedi Knight · Post by **Jedi Knight** » 26 Feb 2005, 14:27

Graham Brett wrote:In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor

Why would anyone listen to him or his moron brother, they are both complete idiots and it actually annoys me to look at them...sorry.

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