Analyze: Chuck Wepner

[Collins2000]

The record shows Ali was a poisonous racist .

I am surprised such statements are allowed to be posted by the so-called moderators of this board.

[ThatOne]

Joe Frazier beat Ali thoroughly and knocked him flat on his back.

And there is not a thing all the Ali shills in the world can do about it.

At least Ali got back up.

Bet you wish he didn't.

Truth hurts.

I'll bet it really hurts you.


It's still sticking in your craw after thirty five years.


Let it go, granberry!

[ThatOne]

The record shows Ali was a poisonous racist .

I am surprised such statements are allowed to be posted by the so-called moderators of this board.

Granberry runs this board.

[granberry]

The record shows Ali was a poisonous racist .

I am surprised such statements are allowed to be posted by the so-called moderators of this board.

The ultimate hypocrisy

since the article I posted documents Ali's poisonous racism in detail.

Is collins "surprised" that the moderators of this board allow such posts as this by collins?

Post subject: Re: Larry Holmes' THUMBINGPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:01 pm


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Kym,

The only way to get an answer to your questions from granberry is to tell him there will be an undraped photo sent his way when he does.


It worked for me. I no sooner offered him a picture of me wearing nothing but a smile than he was filling my inbox with exciting PMs and purring like a pussycat!

[ThatOne]

Let's end this thread on a positive note:




"Only a few athletes are ever known as the greatest in their sport, or in their time. But when you say, "The Greatest of All Time" is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. It's quite a claim to make -- but as Muhammad Ali once said, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." (Laughter.) And this man backed it up.

From the day he won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games, we all knew there was something special about this young fighter from Louisville, Kentucky. And his record of 56 and 5, including 37 knockouts and 19 successful title defenses, hardly begins to get the story. Far into the future, fans and students of boxing will study the films, and some will even try to copy his style. But certain things defy imitation: the Ali shuffle, the lightning jabs, the total command of the ring and, above all, the sheer guts and determination he brought to every fight.

This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion -- and victory -- in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. (Laughter.) It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr. believed their son could be.

Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own."


President George W Bush



http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 109-2.html

[Collins2000]

[ThatOne]

http://www.solcomhouse.com/images/malco ... ad_ali.jpg

[ThatOne]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qLAWo-ifmVI/S ... is_408.jpg

[Collins2000]

Don't click on URL, click on Img if you want them to show up in here.

[ThatOne]

http://images.beijing2008.cn/20070413/Img214034685.jpg

[BoxBuzz]

Observe the Liston Clay fight closely, it tells anyone all they need to know about these two men at that point in time. Nothing ambiguous. Just a clear and convincing defeat dished out by a star on the rise, to a man who went in believing his own news reports, and was on that day sent out of the ring a defeated aging champion. It's absolutely clear to see if you have a neutral bias and an eye for boxing on both a skill and psyche level.

Watch closely and see an arriving supremely confident Liston display surprise, frustration, desperation, hopelessness and reluctant and bitter acceptance before haplessly and helplessly giving up. You will see each of these displays of humanity in just that order.

There was no mysterious or covert dynamics on that day. Just truth revealed.

[granberry]

"truth revealed"

Worshipping their Ali is definitely a religious experience for the devout members of The Religion of Ali.

[Collins2000]

It's absolutely clear to see if you have a neutral bias and an eye for boxing on both a skill and psyche level.

That kinda rules out old Francis then. On all counts.

[ThatOne]

Granberry- you made some "points" in this thread.That the Nation Of Islam could only intimidate other black fighters and managers and without that intimidation Muhammad Ali was exposed as an inferior boxer. As "evidence" you pointed to his less than stellar performace against Chuck Wepner.

When I pointed out that Sonny Liston's managers were white you said that was an exception to the rule. Fine.

OK

Ali beat Frazier two out of three times and stopped him in the third. That is indisputable.

Therefore I ask you was Ali a better boxer than Joe or was Joe cowered by the Nation Of Islam?

It seems those are the only two answers and they are mutually exclusive

[Controversial]

Im not sure why Ali is being criticised for losing to Frazier. Ali was out of the ring for 3 and a half years. He came back and stopped number one ranked Jerry Quarry in 3 rounds. He then fought number 3 ranked Bonavena and became the first and only fighter to stop him. He then fought world champion and the undefeated Joe Frazier and lost over 15 rounds. Yes Ali was floored, name one ATG that wasn't. The fact is he got back up and lasted the distance. Also we are talking about Frazier here as well, a great fighter in his own right, no shame in losing to a great fighter, especially when you beat them in the rematches.

I could understand the criticism if Ali lost to a nobody but he didn't. Its a bit like slagging someone off for losing a game of tennis to Federer or a round of golf to Tiger Woods.

[Brutu]

Anyone find out how,where and when Bernie Glickman died?

[Collins2000]

Seems Chuvalo was misinformed about who beat the crap out of Glickman.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 86,7057823

[Collins2000]

[Brutu]

I was going by memory from what Chuvalo said in the documentery THE LAST ROUND.
maybe I didnt rememeber right,but I think thats what he said.
BTW When did the scum try and steal Battling Nelson's overcoat?
You can imagine how it is there nowdays.

[Brutu]

Source Joel Glickman(Bernie Glickman's son) in
Sonny Boy aka The Phantom Punch by Rob Steen.

Thanks.

Actually the source was
THE DEVIL AND SONNY LISTON aka NIGHT TRAIN by Nick Tosches(page 214)
(sorry i was looking at both books at the same time the other day.)

[Brutu]

Bernie Glickman was officially listed as Ernie Terrells manager for his singing/music combo act.
But Glickman previously managed welterweight Virgil Atkins in the 1950's too.

[granberry]

Bernie Glickman was officially listed as Ernie Terrells manager for his singing/music combo act.
But Glickman previously managed welterweight Virgil Atkins in the 1950's too.

Glickman was Terrell's seat partner for a plane trip to NY. That's what got the Terrell-Ali fight thrown out of NY.

[Brutu]

Bernie Glickman was a front man for the Chicago mob at least since 1953.
In 1957 RING magazine voted him manager of the year.
I wonder if he was in the witness protection program when he died,as no one seems to know anything about when he died(unless he is still alive of course).

[pete]

According to FBI agent William Roemer Jr Glickman practically had a nervous breakdown being debriefed by the FBI.He was supposed to testify against top Chicago mobsters Felix Alderisio(who beat the hell out of Glickman) and,most importantly,Tony Accardo.Glickman was friends with Accardo and wouldn't implicate him so the FBI threw him to the wolves.
Roemer's story is that he talked to Accardo,who was going to have Glickman killed,about Glickman not ratting on Accardo because they were friends so Accardo told Roemer Glickman could live and Accardo paid for Glickman's recovery. I doubt he's alive,he looked old in the picture the FBI took to show his wounds from the Alderisio beating.Anyone wanting to read about it can probably get Roemer's biography Man Against The Mob at the library,it's got several pages on the Glickman saga.

[Tammy]

Sylvester Stallone was taken wiht Wepner, everybody knows how Wepner-Ali inspired rocky. But few know that Wepners "fight" with wrestler Andre The Giant inspired rocky's boxer-wrestler movie match-up with thunder lips.