Depends who he votes for.BubiScholz wrote: James, what does a judge get paid for a championship fight?
the ref seems very unexperienced and didn´t know the rules. the only one who knew the exact rule was the ring doctor. then the WBC official had to search it......jamesmcdonnell wrote:I don't know exactly, but where a world title fight is concerned, the money to pay the judges comes out of the promotional package. More to the point the board and lodging for the period are also paid for by the promoter, so the person who wins the purse bids for a fight handles all that sort of thing.
So you can see that bribing of people is not neccesary, the whole set up is perfectly conceived to give the promoter of the fight carte blanche to curry favour, even if it is merely subconscious, with the officials at the fight.
Look at the way the referee was hounded by the promoters and IBF officials for the Beyer v Green fight, that was an absolute fiasco, I've never seen a referee placed under such incredible pressure before in my life.
The pursebid was $2,149,000BubiScholz wrote:i think it was over 2 million eurosknockout wrote:credit to beyer??? these two are making a damn fortune out of this fight!!!!MightyWarrior wrote:
Credit to Beyer for taking the rematch though.
the winning bid was about £1.15m... Beyer will get close to £700k before deductions!!!!!
WBO judges get between $1,300 and $3,500, it depends upon the size of the purse.BubiScholz wrote:James, what does a judge get paid for a championship fight?jamesmcdonnell wrote:They shouldn't, but they clearly do...BubiScholz wrote:sorry, but all these nice meals and drinks shouldn´t influence a referee or judge. why did DM then lose vs. Gonzalez? this was a close fight, too and a great for boxing history. if it would be like you explain it there would be no real fight all over the world.
i think very often the judges give the close rounds to the champ not depending on the country.
That's not to say EVERY decision is corrupt, otherwise nobody would watch boxing at all, some judges are obviously going to be harder to influence than others, but there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that there are many many cases where the largesse of promoters buys their fighter close rounds, and it only takes a few close rounds to sway a fight one way or another.
Green is quite smart saying this in the interview, laying the pressure on before the event.REAL_DEAL wrote:fight news
Green: The fight will go 12!
By Ray Wheatley -- World of Boxing
WBC super middleweight interim champion Danny Green, who is currently training in Los Angeles, is looking forward to his March 12 WBC world title challenge against Marcus Beyer in Germany. Green lost his first world title challenge to Beyer on a controversial disqualification in August 2003. Green had Beyer on the canvas twice in that bout, but was was disqualified in the fifth round by referee Bill Clancy after the American official deemed the German fighter's cut eye was caused by an intentional head butt. Green said, "I genuinely believe this fight is going twelve rounds. People say 'You've got to knock him out to win in Germany,' well that's unfair and I think it's a silly thing to say. Because if I win the fight convincingly then I think the WBC's honor is on the line here. They realize that before, a mistake was made in the decision and the WBC have given the go ahead for the rematch. The whole world is watching this fight and I think whoever deserves to win is going to win and there's not going to be any rough decision just because it is in Germany. There's a lot of pressure on the WBC and the judges and the referee to do the right thing." Beyer has stated, "I only hope he remains fair this time," and Beyer's coach Ulli Wegner commented, "Markus can kayo Green and I am sure he would do it."
Oh right.....credit to his bank account in that case.knockout wrote:credit to beyer??? these two are making a damn fortune out of this fight!!!!MightyWarrior wrote:
Credit to Beyer for taking the rematch though.
the winning bid was about £1.15m... Beyer will get close to £700k before deductions!!!!!
Yes but what are the chances of that happening, as Harry Hill might say.MightyWarrior wrote:I think most people would fancy Calzaghe to beat both these guys though.jamesmcdonnell wrote:If Beyer wins, he has fair claim to being top Dog. When was the last time Calzaghe actually fought a genuine top 10 fighter?
Yeah i think your right if i remember, the actual cut that the fight was stopped on had been done earlier in the fight by a punch, the second cut caused by the head butt wasn't the cause...or something along those lines. I will have to watch the tape again. Any ideas on who the ref might be by the way?jamesmcdonnell wrote:Green is quite smart saying this in the interview, laying the pressure on before the event.REAL_DEAL wrote:fight news
Green: The fight will go 12!
By Ray Wheatley -- World of Boxing
WBC super middleweight interim champion Danny Green, who is currently training in Los Angeles, is looking forward to his March 12 WBC world title challenge against Marcus Beyer in Germany. Green lost his first world title challenge to Beyer on a controversial disqualification in August 2003. Green had Beyer on the canvas twice in that bout, but was was disqualified in the fifth round by referee Bill Clancy after the American official deemed the German fighter's cut eye was caused by an intentional head butt. Green said, "I genuinely believe this fight is going twelve rounds. People say 'You've got to knock him out to win in Germany,' well that's unfair and I think it's a silly thing to say. Because if I win the fight convincingly then I think the WBC's honor is on the line here. They realize that before, a mistake was made in the decision and the WBC have given the go ahead for the rematch. The whole world is watching this fight and I think whoever deserves to win is going to win and there's not going to be any rough decision just because it is in Germany. There's a lot of pressure on the WBC and the judges and the referee to do the right thing." Beyer has stated, "I only hope he remains fair this time," and Beyer's coach Ulli Wegner commented, "Markus can kayo Green and I am sure he would do it."
As I understand it, didn't they cock it up last time. It should have been the case that as the first cut was caused by a punch, and not an intentional or unintentional headbutt, if the fight gets stopped, then the fight should have gone to scorecards, not given to beyer on DQ. However, the big hoo-haa was that the initial cut was caused by a butt, which was not borne out by the replay, and was not the referee's initial decision.
Yes I remember it was along those lines. The pressure they put on the ref was just unbelievable.steve689 wrote: Yeah i think your right if i remember, the actual cut that the fight was stopped on had been done earlier in the fight by a punch, the second cut caused by the head butt wasn't the cause...or something along those lines. I will have to watch the tape again. Any ideas on who the ref might be by the way?
The officials pressurised the referee into declaring that the original cut was caused by an 'unintentional headbutt' when in fact it was causedsteve689 wrote:Yeah i think your right if i remember, the actual cut that the fight was stopped on had been done earlier in the fight by a punch, the second cut caused by the head butt wasn't the cause...or something along those lines. I will have to watch the tape again. Any ideas on who the ref might be by the way?jamesmcdonnell wrote:Green is quite smart saying this in the interview, laying the pressure on before the event.REAL_DEAL wrote:fight news
Green: The fight will go 12!
By Ray Wheatley -- World of Boxing
WBC super middleweight interim champion Danny Green, who is currently training in Los Angeles, is looking forward to his March 12 WBC world title challenge against Marcus Beyer in Germany. Green lost his first world title challenge to Beyer on a controversial disqualification in August 2003. Green had Beyer on the canvas twice in that bout, but was was disqualified in the fifth round by referee Bill Clancy after the American official deemed the German fighter's cut eye was caused by an intentional head butt. Green said, "I genuinely believe this fight is going twelve rounds. People say 'You've got to knock him out to win in Germany,' well that's unfair and I think it's a silly thing to say. Because if I win the fight convincingly then I think the WBC's honor is on the line here. They realize that before, a mistake was made in the decision and the WBC have given the go ahead for the rematch. The whole world is watching this fight and I think whoever deserves to win is going to win and there's not going to be any rough decision just because it is in Germany. There's a lot of pressure on the WBC and the judges and the referee to do the right thing." Beyer has stated, "I only hope he remains fair this time," and Beyer's coach Ulli Wegner commented, "Markus can kayo Green and I am sure he would do it."
As I understand it, didn't they cock it up last time. It should have been the case that as the first cut was caused by a punch, and not an intentional or unintentional headbutt, if the fight gets stopped, then the fight should have gone to scorecards, not given to beyer on DQ. However, the big hoo-haa was that the initial cut was caused by a butt, which was not borne out by the replay, and was not the referee's initial decision.
