Cameron v Hopoate

[bigred83]

*didnt realise we were watching WWE, fornicate yea, lol

[bigred83]

dissapointed with that BS. wat a crap decision. was there not cause to give a point deduction first?? are those guys not there to give the fans a show????? terrible refereeing.

[dberry]

dissapointed with that BS. wat a crap decision. was there not cause to give a point deduction first?? are those guys not there to give the fans a show????? terrible refereeing.

Please explain?

[bigred83]

bigred83 wrote:
dissapointed with that BS. wat a crap decision. was there not cause to give a point deduction first?? are those guys not there to give the fans a show????? terrible refereeing.

Please explain?

dissapointed with that BS. wat a crap decision. was there not cause to give a point deduction first?? are those guys not there to give the fans a show????? terrible refereeing.

Please explain?

ref DQ'd hoppa for wrestling. yes he was doing it, but y not give a point deduction first, and let the fight go on. and also how many HW fights dont have wrestling, at least in this region(where it seems cardio training for HWs is non existant) i know its boxing, and respect the reasoning behind the call, but ppl paid money for this fight(some even flew from NZ) so y short change them by stopping the fight for a trivial reason, without at least giving some sort of smaller penalty to make the guy realise if u dont stop then ill stop the fight. i might be a bit harsh on the ref here, but i like to see the fighers sort the result out, not the ref, same as my other faveourite sports. I always believe A GOOD REF IS ONE THAT ISNT NOTICED!!!!!

[Beltane]

A total "Barry" of a bout. Hoppa had no intention of boxing, just self preservation. Again referee: Bulmar should have started stripping points off Hoppa and maybe the paying spectators would have seen something akin to boxing and not just less than two rounds of grappling, clinching and butting.

A pathetic, pi$$-poor advertisement for the game and if Hoppa serves up his hot-dogs like the tripe he dished up tonight, the health inspectors will be up him like a rat up a drainpipe!

Would any promoter, wish to take Hoppa on after that rubbish!

[madcake]

Was the Cameron/Hoppa fight earlier on the card? Or am I watching a delayed telecast??

They're up to the youth title fight now?

[bigred83]

was the 3rd fight mate

[Rogue]

Hoppa's grappling hot dog's -- get some now.....

[Tinnie]

Havent seen the bout, but any result ending in Hopoate "wrestling" draws my suspicion

[amwsnw]

I think the stoppage by the ref was premature but I think he was as frustrated as everybody. He should have taken points first then dq'd Hoppa. It was self preservation from the opening bell for Hoppa.......

[dberry]

Ah, I see, thanks Big Red, I haven't been able to watch the fights tonight. Malcolm Bulner, say no more.
How did the Phillip Holiday v Samual Colimban fight go? that's the one I was interested in.

[Sweet P]

Hoppa had no intention of Boxing, And deserved to be DQd.

[Sweet P]

A total "Barry" of a bout. Hoppa had no intention of boxing, just self preservation. Again referee: Bulmar should have started stripping points off Hoppa and maybe the paying spectators would have seen something akin to boxing and not just less than two rounds of grappling, clinching and butting.

A pathetic, pi$$-poor advertisement for the game and if Hoppa serves up his hot-dogs like the tripe he dished up tonight, the health inspectors will be up him like a rat up a drainpipe!

Would any promoter, wish to take Hoppa on after that rubbish!

Totally agree

[bigred83]

dberry, holiday fight went ok i thought. he lost, but did very well to stay on his feet all fight, IMO i think fighters like that NEED to STAY RETIRED, y come back? wats to prove? he only affected his legacy. retired champions should stay like that(generally) 7 yrs out of the ring is far too long as far as i feel(at 39yrs of age) good on him though to get in the ring, i have never been in there so not possible to completely critisize it, just query it. i actually am hoping to be able to get in the ring myself, so i am very envious of anyone that gets in, but i really have to query someone like holiday getting in the ring against a young up and comer??? the guy just wants to add "a name" to his record for value, and the old stager has everything to lose.......

[AntonS]

Point or 2 deduction wouldn't have made any difference.
He came for $$$$$ and not to fight.
I suspected the outcome & suggested to promoter to leave Kirby in & tell Hoppa to get farked.

Hoppa should now seriously consider retirement

[N2 Shape]

Piss poor all round, from Hoppa, to the ref to Shane. Ref SHOULD have deducted a point first if anything that would have brought more time for Shane to find a way to get the stoppage himself. By DQing him without and point deduction was premature. Hoppa in my mind was trying to close the gap ASAP as to not be on the receiving end of any Cameron shots but perhaps also was looking to open Cameron up with a "accidental" head butt or two! Either way Poor result for Boxing. Shane looked Garbage also, some will see he never had a chance to look good, but GREAT fighters beat junk like Hoppa they find a way. Maybe a little harsh of me on Shane but for the short time we saw he last night he looked a little gun shy and not quite ready to pull the trigger! thoughts?

[Rogue]

Point or 2 deduction wouldn't have made any difference.
He came for $$$$$ and not to fight.
I suspected the outcome & suggested to promoter to leave Kirby in & tell Hoppa to get farked.

Hoppa should now seriously consider retirement

agreed 150% Hoppa came for the $$$ and hopefully get a hug or 2 after the fight. what a joke. For those of you who paid PPV $$$ to watch it: respect to your die hard support and you lot (myself included) were let down very badly. shit!

[razor7]

Poor refereeing, where was the point deduction? Hoppa has limited ability and so tried to avoid having to fight Cameron at a distance where he would get picked off. You see heavyweight fights like this regularly. The paying and viewing public were short changed. Camerons own corner could not believe it. Rematch them on the Tua- Friday undercard.If you follow Ben K'S logic, heavyweight fights more often than not would end in DQ's. Bulner needed to let this fight settle. A point off Hoppa might have done the trick. We will never know.
What a gutsy display by Phillip Holiday. At least 39 years old, inactive for many years, he gave his all against a very fit and 15 years younger Sam Columban.Dave Hedgecock really has Columban super fit.

[AntonS]

Poor refereeing, where was the point deduction? Hoppa has limited ability and so tried to avoid having to fight Cameron at a distance where he would get picked off. You see heavyweight fights like this regularly. The paying and viewing public were short changed. Camerons own corner could not believe it. Rematch them on the Tua- Friday undercard.If you follow Ben K'S logic, heavyweight fights more often than not would end in DQ's. Bulner needed to let this fight settle. A point off Hoppa might have done the trick. We will never know.
What a gutsy display by Phillip Holiday. At least 39 years old, inactive for many years, he gave his all against a very fit and 15 years younger Sam Columban.Dave Hedgecock really has Columban super fit.

What purpose would point(s) deduction serve??

[Darkshark]

What purpose would point(s) deduction serve??

Exactly - Hoppa was never going to try and win on points so taking a point away means nothing to him. Would've just been more of the same until the ref got sick of taking points off and stopped it IMO

[N2 Shape]

A point deduction would have at least meant the fight carried on a little longer, perhaps sparking Cameron into action or even Hoppa,after the point deduction if Hoppa had carried on as he was then yes I could see grounds for a DQ. But as a PPV and the paying punters who turned up on the night the ref has a duty to keep the fight alive for as long as possible so long as fighter safety etc is taken into consideration.

[AntonS]

A point deduction would have at least meant the fight carried on a little longer, perhaps sparking Cameron into action or even Hoppa,after the point deduction if Hoppa had carried on as he was then yes I could see grounds for a DQ. But as a PPV and the paying punters who turned up on the night the ref has a duty to keep the fight alive for as long as possible so long as fighter safety etc is taken into consideration.

Nothing would've changed had Malcolm let it go for another 3+ rounds.

[N2 Shape]

Do you know that for a fact? Whos to say Hoppa didnt start tiring after a few rounds of man wrestling and allowed Shane a chance to let his hands go? Whos to say it wasnt part of Hoppas plan to rough Shane up a bit try tire shane out so he didnt have so much pop on his punches? this is the whole point..............its all "whos to say" because we were never allowed the opportunity to see what MAY have unfolded had it been allowed to continue. Excessive low blows, elbows or head butts are a different story excessive holding wrestling etc should be allowed to contiue at least a while longer as its not ILLEGAL tactics or anything of that nature. After 5/6 rounds of it id have said ok this is getting crazy but after 1 and a half rounds? POOR decision, and the refs have to start taking some heat. I think the Bahram fight i think it was was also stopped FAR to early..............thats a whole new arguement

[buster007]

the ref made a stupid judgement. wtf is it with these refs and their ego. some people had obviously flown here from nz to attend and then have to put up with a ridiculous decision from the ref. the sponsers have paid good money too and have been robbed.

there is no question that the ref should have taken a point off first at least, then a second point, then disqualified him.

whether u like hopoate or not the fight should not have been stopped.

[dberry]

'Hollywood' Dave Deike, former boxer and now Melbourne promoter just tried to put $500 on Hoppa to win by KO. I nearly took the bet and then thought better of it. I think that this, and the mixed tips on how the fight's going to end from the rest of the posters on this thread, shows that this is, perhaps, a better match than first seems. It'll probably end in KO. but who's hand is raised is the question on every body's lips.

By the way, I'm not an illegal fight bookie, I just like to have the occasional bet on the fights with mates.

I should have taken that bet