Getting knocked out. Does it really matter who does it?

[Controversial]

Just interested to hear peoples opinions on if you think it matters that someone is knocked out by a journeyman puncher or a world class puncher is any different?

For example Lennox Lewis got ko'ed by McCall and Rahman. Both were big punchers and physically big and strong blokes. Does it matter than they weren't world class fighters? Do you rate Lewis down on this? If a prime Tyson knocked him out would you forgive the loss more?

My own personal view is anyone can be knocked out, the person throwing the punch is irrelevant really, its still gonna hurt. Obviously if you are knocked out by someone who isn't known for being a puncher then doubts are raised about the quality of that persons chin but a Bert Cooper left hook is gonna hurt just as much as a Joe Frazier left hook.

Your thoughts?

[wsbuf]

A heavyweight punch no matter who throws it will hurt and probably knock anyone out. (I am assuming they know how to correctly throw a punch .) The old adage is that the punches that knock you out are the ones you don't see. So basically a trained boxer has a chance to knock anyone out theoretically.

[Controversial]

A heavyweight punch no matter who throws it will hurt and probably knock anyone out. (I am assuming they know how to correctly throw a punch .) The old adage is that the punches that knock you out are the ones you don't see. So basically a trained boxer has a chance to knock anyone out theoretically.

A decent punch from anyone, trained or not, can knock you out. The point I was trying to make was why do people criticise certain fighters for losing by knockout, when the guy who knocked them out is a big puncher? It makes no difference really.

[TheGreatA]

Because they allowed themselves to be knocked out by a fighter who on paper shouldn't have been able to land significant punches on them.

Lewis didn't lose to McCall because he "just got caught", it was the result of his bad balance, which had been criticized by many observers and which allowed him to be knocked out by the one-dimensional McCall. If you avoid McCall's counter right hand, he has nothing, but Lewis walked into it. Against Rahman, Lewis was basically begging to be knocked out due to over-confidence.

I do understand the argument that any man over 200 lbs who can throw a hard punch can knock out anybody, but then again we are talking about such high levels of boxing that not just any man over 200 lbs who can throw a hard punch should be able to land a hard punch on a world class fighter. If they do, it's a result of more than just luck.

[dempseyfire]

Of course it matters, b/c it takes skills/talent to land big punches. If you let some scrub land big punches on you, well then you are lacking some critical components (defensive skills, focus etc.)

[Panzerfaust]

People can get ''lucky'' for a indefinete nr of reasons/circumstances . Its one of the X factors that make boxing so intriguing.
It can be exposing ,but it can also just be a work accident.

Getting knocked out by someone that shouldent be able to land a punch on you should make you think twice.More than a few have been faced with this and bettered themselves consideraby

[granberry]

It's no "accident."

[Idisagree]

For me it depends on when in your career you get Knocked out. For instance, Arguell was KO early on his career and so was Pac. I don't put too much weight on that. However, if you get stopped on your prime and against a B- or C level fighter then that is another story. I also take into consieration who stopped the fighter. Take for example, Hearns and Duran. When I rank Duran I don't take that loss too much into consideration.

BTW, I agree with granberry It's "no accident"

[dberry]

If you get run down by a car does it really matter who was driving it?

[jaclem2]

...well, it does to the driver...reckless...drunk....pedestrians carelessness?

knockouts can come from a variety of sources. willie pep scored a couple of one punch knockouts...benny leonard got knocked out early in his career....sandy saddler got knocked out in his second fight and from then on in a long career i'm not sure if he ever even got knocked down again. solid chinned joey maxim got knocked out in the first round by power puncher hatchetman curtis , came back to outpoint him three weeks later and never got knocked out again.

my point is that knockouts can come from and to good and bad fighters...right time, right punch.

[Goodnight, Irene]

...well, it does to the driver...reckless...drunk....pedestrians carelessness?

knockouts can come from a variety of sources. willie pep scored a couple of one punch knockouts...benny leonard got knocked out early in his career....sandy saddler got knocked out in his second fight and from then on in a long career i'm not sure if he ever even got knocked down again. solid chinned joey maxim got knocked out in the first round by power puncher hatchetman curtis , came back to outpoint him three weeks later and never got knocked out again.

my point is that knockouts can come from and to good and bad fighters...right time, right punch.

Your opening line. How very BoxBuzz-esque.

[BoxBuzz]

I have inspired jaclem to stretch the rules of English, grammer and punKtuation, in order to present interesting thoughts and concepts in more daring fashion.

[Flump]

It seems to matter a lot more in the Heavyweight division in terms of a fighter's historical ranking, Lennox Lewis' standing suffers greatly due to getting knocked out, even knockdowns suffered by Joe Louis and Larry Holmes for example are used as sticks to beat them with.

[Robinson]

Some guys get caught because they are more exposed trying to go for
hard shots of their own. If you fight safe, and take little risk it is harder
to get tagged on that chin. Wide stances of guys like Tommy Morrison
and Flyd Patterson also saw them get the flash knock downs at times
because they were some what unbalanced.

Losing by KO to a 'mediocre' guy is always a bad thing because it is
not suppose to happen. Thats the nature of the upset and it will always
hurt your standing in history and in the contemporary rankings.