Does anyone have info into Charley Roses' boxing record?
Apart from being one of the busiest and most successful boxing 'managers' - trainer - promoter and boxing EXPERT, his All-time great lists are still used today. Charley Rose was said to be one of the worlds 'leading' featherweights 1909 - 19teens... maybe he fought by a different name(?).
Someone must have info on him, he's one of the biggest names in the sport!
Charley Rose's boxing record..?
The only Charlie Rose I know of is the british Born journalist and fight manager ('Kid' Lewis and Phil Scott among others).
As he was born in 1870, he would have been between 40 to 50 years old in the 1909 - 19teens. Unlikely to have been a World leading Featherweight.
I read his autobiography a few years back and can only remember some amateur fights in London and a few pro bouts when he emigrated to Australia. I don't recall him having any sort of pro career to speak of.
Maybe we are talking about two different Charlie Rose's.
As he was born in 1870, he would have been between 40 to 50 years old in the 1909 - 19teens. Unlikely to have been a World leading Featherweight.
I read his autobiography a few years back and can only remember some amateur fights in London and a few pro bouts when he emigrated to Australia. I don't recall him having any sort of pro career to speak of.
Maybe we are talking about two different Charlie Rose's.
Charley Rose
Yes we are, the American "Broadway" Charley Rose, manager and Boxing expert, his all-time great lists almost ALWAYS come into such conversations about the Greats!
Charley Rose (the American)
Rose managed Cocoa Kid and briefly Charley Burley.
He managed a string of top contenders in the lighter weights during the 30s - Al Roth and Al Reid among others as well as heavyweight contender Bill Poland. His occasional business partner Sam Goldman managed the great Tony Canzoneri and together they managed a good few more, I can't think of other fighters without checking my research material, but isn't this the same Charley Rose (the American one) that managed Ted 'kid' Lewis and for a stay the great Len Harvey(?).
This is the Rose I'm referring too, "top fighter", manager and boxing expert!
He managed a string of top contenders in the lighter weights during the 30s - Al Roth and Al Reid among others as well as heavyweight contender Bill Poland. His occasional business partner Sam Goldman managed the great Tony Canzoneri and together they managed a good few more, I can't think of other fighters without checking my research material, but isn't this the same Charley Rose (the American one) that managed Ted 'kid' Lewis and for a stay the great Len Harvey(?).
This is the Rose I'm referring too, "top fighter", manager and boxing expert!
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bit of info
Article by Ty Cobb
28 May 1944
ALTHOUGH HE's passed through en route to San Francisco
and LosAngeles around 50 times, "Broadway" Charley
Rose is paying his first visit to Reno and enjoying the process
no end.
"Broadway" Charley, so dubbed by Dan Parker because
he was the initial fistic figure to take the fight game's management-promotion end from the saloons to the big street, explains
how he got his nickname.
"Years ago all the big matches were made in the saloons,"
he says. "I rented an 'office' at Broadway and 49th which
was a hole-in-the-wall and cost $15 a month. It had one desk
and one chair.
I rented half of the desk to Jack Curley (later
the world's top wrestling impresario and later we cut in
third to Jack Kearns Jack Dempsey's manager). We still
had the one desk and one chair. Some of the world's greatest
bouts were consummated in this headquarters."
Rose at one time had strings on 82 fighters and among
his connections were Max Schmeling, FreddieWelch ,Johnny
Rosner ,JimmyGoodrich ,Mike McTigue, Paul Berlenbach,
Willie Jackson, Cocoa Kid, HarryWills ,Fred Fulton ,Jack
Renault, Carl Morrisand Bill Hood.
"BroadwayCharley," who has been in the fight game
since 1900, took time out to go overseas in the last war. He
tossed a hand grenade in a German dugout and nine Heinies
emerged. The photo taken afterward, of Charley and his nine
prisoners, shows a surly-looking Hun with a Charlie Chaplin
mustache who, they say, bears a striking resemblance to
party named Adolf.
Rose recalls that the other prisoners called
his "Shickie" and "Adolf" and is certain he had the character
who started this war right in his hands.
Rose is now resting at Steamboat Springs and will return
to the coast soon to resume his travels with Holman Williams,
sensational Negro who is claimed to be the "uncrowned"
middleweight champion. Williams has only lost two bouts in 45
and reversed both those decisions .Among his victims are Jack
Chase (four times), Lloyd Marshall, R. J. Lewis,Joe Basora,
Cat Robinson, Izzy Janzaao,Vincent Pimpinell ,Mario Ochoa,
Slugger White, Gene Buffalo, VinneVines.
The fight game veteran considers Williams the lone throwback,
among modern fighters, to the old timers. After 44 years in the fisticwhirl, he picks these as his alltime
greatest: .. ...
Flyweight Jimmy Barry.
Bantam Terry McGovern,
Feather Abe Attell. '.....
Light Benny Leonard,
Welter Joe Walcott. '
Middle Stanley Ketchell.
Lightheavy Harry Greb.
Heavy Sam Langford.
28 May 1944
ALTHOUGH HE's passed through en route to San Francisco
and LosAngeles around 50 times, "Broadway" Charley
Rose is paying his first visit to Reno and enjoying the process
no end.
"Broadway" Charley, so dubbed by Dan Parker because
he was the initial fistic figure to take the fight game's management-promotion end from the saloons to the big street, explains
how he got his nickname.
"Years ago all the big matches were made in the saloons,"
he says. "I rented an 'office' at Broadway and 49th which
was a hole-in-the-wall and cost $15 a month. It had one desk
and one chair.
I rented half of the desk to Jack Curley (later
the world's top wrestling impresario and later we cut in
third to Jack Kearns Jack Dempsey's manager). We still
had the one desk and one chair. Some of the world's greatest
bouts were consummated in this headquarters."
Rose at one time had strings on 82 fighters and among
his connections were Max Schmeling, FreddieWelch ,Johnny
Rosner ,JimmyGoodrich ,Mike McTigue, Paul Berlenbach,
Willie Jackson, Cocoa Kid, HarryWills ,Fred Fulton ,Jack
Renault, Carl Morrisand Bill Hood.
"BroadwayCharley," who has been in the fight game
since 1900, took time out to go overseas in the last war. He
tossed a hand grenade in a German dugout and nine Heinies
emerged. The photo taken afterward, of Charley and his nine
prisoners, shows a surly-looking Hun with a Charlie Chaplin
mustache who, they say, bears a striking resemblance to
party named Adolf.
Rose recalls that the other prisoners called
his "Shickie" and "Adolf" and is certain he had the character
who started this war right in his hands.
Rose is now resting at Steamboat Springs and will return
to the coast soon to resume his travels with Holman Williams,
sensational Negro who is claimed to be the "uncrowned"
middleweight champion. Williams has only lost two bouts in 45
and reversed both those decisions .Among his victims are Jack
Chase (four times), Lloyd Marshall, R. J. Lewis,Joe Basora,
Cat Robinson, Izzy Janzaao,Vincent Pimpinell ,Mario Ochoa,
Slugger White, Gene Buffalo, VinneVines.
The fight game veteran considers Williams the lone throwback,
among modern fighters, to the old timers. After 44 years in the fisticwhirl, he picks these as his alltime
greatest: .. ...
Flyweight Jimmy Barry.
Bantam Terry McGovern,
Feather Abe Attell. '.....
Light Benny Leonard,
Welter Joe Walcott. '
Middle Stanley Ketchell.
Lightheavy Harry Greb.
Heavy Sam Langford.
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Char. Rose
Weird thing -- I bought a boxing book off of Ebay and it is inscribed "Property of Charlie Rose."
Rose died a weird death -- he lived in a hotel and he fell asleep smoking a cigar. He set his room on fire and died in the blaze.
Rose died a weird death -- he lived in a hotel and he fell asleep smoking a cigar. He set his room on fire and died in the blaze.