Joan Guzman open work out.. yet stiil fails weight (merged)

[mickey1975]

It's a totally different way in which a body builder prepares for a show and a boxer. I used to lift a lot of weight in my teens about 14 years ago and it's much different from boxing.

A BB sodium-cycles down to less than 0.8g on the final day before a a show and manipulates glycogen & carb levels to like a meal every 2 hours for weeks. 'Dieting' is effectively a body builder's training camp. Many of them are absolute masters at it with incredible will power. The ones who end up ill are the ones juiced to the absolute gills and taking all sorts of exotic potions and diuretics to get their skin so thin it looks almost like wet tissue paper.

Wheras a boxer needs to get to their natural fighting weight through training and then maybe deplete and remove excess fluid to hit the magic number, irrelevant of physical appearance on the scales.

The main thing is to keep the fighter from being catabolic, so they dont eat up their muscle tissue, effectively cannibalise themselves and become weak at the weight.

If anything the body builders of the world have got the diet side down to an absolute art, wheras it's the boxers who struggle with it. The items within the diet are different for both - but it's the regimen that is the most important aspect of it all.

But isnt that the point?Kayes is a bodybuilding man fist and foremost.Obviously,he knows Boxing now,but his instincts will still be rooted in the bodybuilding trade.By the way,i have met the man and he was superb

[chris s]

There are serious issues here about what his weight was at check weigh-ins. Do IBF have them?

If so, where and when would they have taken place under IBF rules and what did he weigh?

[reggaereggae]

WTF was doing in Manchester - a tour of curry houses, chinese restaurants and pie shops.

Surely his trainers knew what was going to happen?

Probably hanging out with Ricky Hatton.......

[yoyo]

WTF was doing in Manchester - a tour of curry houses, chinese restaurants and pie shops.

Surely his trainers knew what was going to happen?

Probably hanging out with Ricky Hatton.......

hahaha quality

[Counter-puncher]

It's a totally different way in which a body builder prepares for a show and a boxer. I used to lift a lot of weight in my teens about 14 years ago and it's much different from boxing.

A BB sodium-cycles down to less than 0.8g on the final day before a a show and manipulates glycogen & carb levels to like a meal every 2 hours for weeks. 'Dieting' is effectively a body builder's training camp. Many of them are absolute masters at it with incredible will power. The ones who end up ill are the ones juiced to the absolute gills and taking all sorts of exotic potions and diuretics to get their skin so thin it looks almost like wet tissue paper.

Wheras a boxer needs to get to their natural fighting weight through training and then maybe deplete and remove excess fluid to hit the magic number, irrelevant of physical appearance on the scales.

The main thing is to keep the fighter from being catabolic, so they dont eat up their muscle tissue, effectively cannibalise themselves and become weak at the weight.

If anything the body builders of the world have got the diet side down to an absolute art, wheras it's the boxers who struggle with it. The items within the diet are different for both - but it's the regimen that is the most important aspect of it all.

agreed mate, thing is, bodybuilders with all due respect to them obviously don't have to make nearly the same demands on their body onstage as boxers do in the ring.

so Kayes' whole history is in preparing people for an event which bears literally no relation to boxing. add to that that his skillset is based around powerlifting/compound and singlejoint isolation exercises- rather than the much more diverse exercises which do and should make up most boxers' strength & conditioning regimes- and i have never seen, other than in the relatively limited aspect of weightmaking, how Kayes is so valued and esteemed.

haha but then he is esteemed by people who know more than i do so what the hell?

gomez quick slightly O/T question if you wouldn't mind:

how easily does carl do the weight? what kind of weight is he say 2 weeks before fight? does he have to worry about weight or can he concentrate on all the really important aspects (as i consider it anyway)???

[Asterix]

how easily does carl do the weight? what kind of weight is he say 2 weeks before fight? does he have to worry about weight or can he concentrate on all the really important aspects (as i consider it anyway)???

Froch has mentioned a couple of times that he does the weight easily. I think he's got a good routine and he sticks to it. It's obviously working well for him. Froch is a good sized super middle, as well.

[hollins]

lol, this makes kayes and beard look like amateurs

[whiskey]

Heaviest i saw him was about 179lb after he'd had his cruciate ligament reconstruction, it was also easter time and he can seriously put away chocolate.

He wouldn't be 175lb if he stepped up, perhaps simply the same weight.

[ALI]

This is an absolute disgrace!!!

There should be rules in place to immediately stop this fight from happening. It should not be left to the promoters and fighters to decide. There is obviously far to many conflicts of intersts for any of them to make rational decisions, the fighters safety should always be paramount and should never be compromised.

Regarding Lee Beard, i've been reading, like must of us, over the last few years how great a trainer he is. Well, he should hang his head in shame for this one. He's obviously in on the scam, Guzman was never being trained to make the 135lbs limit and serious penalties should be handed out to both fighter and trainer.

I pray, for the sake of our sport, that Funeka suffers no long term, or fatal injury! Even better, i pray, that he smashes Guzman all around the ring before stopping him in the 3rd!

[ALI]

9lbs over weight??????

Was this guy even training him to make the 135lbs limit? He should hang his head in shame, its a fcuking disgrace, boxing does not need trainers with this level of incompetance!

[CheckHook]

Total lack of professionalism. I feel for Funeka. As a guy who can't really afford to turn pay days like this down he's got no choice but to try and make it happen. I have some sympathy for fighters who come in tight at the weight since so many are draining like mad to make the limit, but 9lb's? That's not even funny. If he can stay inside 150 he either didn't attempt to drain to make the limit or he'll be drained in the ring.

Did the Guzman camp inform Funeka about this ahead of time does anyone know? They must've known he wasn't gonna make the limit for a while. My point being that if they let Funeka drain down while knowing there man wasn't going to come in close they really need to take a long look at themselves.

[whatashambles]

I heard Guzman came in at 12st when he started camp, and people is said is true, i.e. He was 19 pounds over the day before yesterday then he's only lost a stone during training camp.

I have to say I think it's really dangerous for both Funeka and Guzman to get in that ring. If Guzman has drained badly and can only put 6 pounds between yesterday and today that's not healthy for him. He won't be able to eat or drink properly

[ALI]

I heard Guzman came in at 12st when he started camp, and people is said is true, i.e. He was 19 pounds over the day before yesterday then he's only lost a stone during training camp.

I have to say I think it's really dangerous for both Funeka and Guzman to get in that ring. If Guzman has drained badly and can only put 6 pounds between yesterday and today that's not healthy for him. He won't be able to eat or drink properly

He's not drained badly, i feel sure of that. Guzman and his camp i feel had this planned. Its obvious from the first fight he needs any advantage he can get, and what better advantage can he get that comming in 9lbs over weight. Shameless, the effing lot of them!

Its Funeka we all need to be worrying about, lets hope for his sake, and the sports, that he does not get seriously hurt. I'll be rooting for him to take Guzman out in style!

[chris s]

WTF was doing in Manchester - a tour of curry houses, chinese restaurants and pie shops.

Surely his trainers knew what was going to happen?

Probably hanging out with Ricky Hatton.......

superb

[lacollier883]

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=26407

By Rick Reeno

Earlier this morning, the fighters weighed in for a second time in the last 24-hours, and after several stumbling blocks - BS.com was advised by both sides that we have a fight. Later tonight at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas, Ali Funeka (30-2-3, 25 KOs) and Joan Guzman (29-0-1, 17 KOs) will do battle in a rematch for the vacant IBF lightweight title. Early this morning, Guzman weighed in at 148.2-pounds and Funeka was 143.2.

Friday's weigh-in was a near disaster for Funeka. He made the division limit at 135-pounds, but Guzman, unbelievably, weighed in at 144-pounds - nearly two divisions above the contracted weight. Promoter Gary Shaw [for Funeka] and Golden Boy Promotions [for Guzman] reached an agreement to allow both fighters to weigh in on Saturday morning with Guzman being limited to 150-pounds at most, and Funeka having to weigh no more than 145.

Guzman will be penalized by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for his inability to make weight [said to be 25% of his purse]. Funeka will receive between $20-25,000 additional for moving forward with the contest. The title is only on the line for Funeka. If Guzman wins, the title remains vacant.

[whiskey]

I think the rematch was booked in too soon and Guzman was extremely heavy.

Beard got on board mid feb, Kerry about 3 weeks ago when they landed. They've not been afforded much time and it's not pulled off. I imagine as he trained more intensely than ever given the small timeframe, he's banged on muscle mass adding to the prob.

Guzman, Beard and Kerry are decent people and those on here whom have met them in the last few weeks will testify that - and this has been very bad PR for them.

9lb is indefensible, but i'm not about to give them any more stick than they are probably getting across internet land as it is.

It's simply a bad state of affairs, but Kudos to Funeka, he was jobbed by Nate Campbell by 4lb+ in their fight too - but will prob still outweigh Guzman tonight regardless. He is 6'1 and usually comes in about 150lb+.

I think he is about 144 and Guzman about 148 now or so. Tonight Funeka will be about 151 and Guzman about 149.

[Mooresy]

I think the rematch was booked in too soon and Guzman was extremely heavy.

Beard got on board mid feb, Kerry about 3 weeks ago when they landed. They've not been afforded much time and it's not pulled off. I imagine as he trained more intensely than ever given the small timeframe, he's banged on muscle mass adding to the prob.

Guzman, Beard and Kerry are decent people and those on here whom have met them in the last few weeks will testify that - and this has been very bad PR for them.

9lb is indefensible, but i'm not about to give them any more stick than they are probably getting across internet land as it is.

It's simply a bad state of affairs, but Kudos to Funeka, he was jobbed by Nate Campbell by 4lb+ in their fight too - but will prob still outweigh Guzman tonight regardless. He is 6'1 and usually comes in about 150lb+.

I think he is about 144 and Guzman about 148 now or so. Tonight Funeka will be about 151 and Guzman about 149.

Yep exactly right pal. I've gotta say in Kerry's defence, he was given no time whatsoever to be able to properly help Guzman(3 weeks as said). You can't help someone lose weight properly and safely without enough time.
I know Kerry enough to be able to say that even if he felt he was gonna miss the weight and it might reflect badly on him, he would still try to help coz he's that sort of person. He's a good man who trys to help anyone.

[beagleboy]

I'd heard a lot about Beard but the first time I saw him was in the ring with Ricky in Vegas.

Before the fight Beard constantly checked the big screen. Whenever he was sure he was on screen, he leant forward to scream at Ricky before checking the screen again.
This was repeated several times.

I'd seen enough.

[ALI]

I know Kerry enough to be able to say that even if he felt he was gonna miss the weight and it might reflect badly on him, he would still try to help coz he's that sort of person. He's a good man who trys to help anyone.

Without all the facts, there's many ways to look at the situation, but your reasoning sucks mate. This sport is dangerous enough without this sort of stuff happening.

KK perhaps should have realised Guzman had no intention of trying to loose weight, therefor disrespecting his position in the team. 9lbs over the 135lbs limit is not even funny, its daylight skullduggery and no proffessional worth his salt should have taken part in this!

[gobbles]

I think the rematch was booked in too soon and Guzman was extremely heavy.

Beard got on board mid feb, Kerry about 3 weeks ago when they landed. They've not been afforded much time and it's not pulled off. I imagine as he trained more intensely than ever given the small timeframe, he's banged on muscle mass adding to the prob.

Guzman, Beard and Kerry are decent people and those on here whom have met them in the last few weeks will testify that - and this has been very bad PR for them.

9lb is indefensible, but i'm not about to give them any more stick than they are probably getting across internet land as it is.

It's simply a bad state of affairs, but Kudos to Funeka, he was jobbed by Nate Campbell by 4lb+ in their fight too - but will prob still outweigh Guzman tonight regardless. He is 6'1 and usually comes in about 150lb+.

I think he is about 144 and Guzman about 148 now or so. Tonight Funeka will be about 151 and Guzman about 149.

What's the logic of that? How is it possibly logical that the guy who made weight will continue to put on weight, while the one that didn't come close will seemingly keep his weight down?

More likely Guzman will be 160. If you say he lost 10lb the day before the weigh-in, he will at least put that back on.

[hollins]

shambles, absolute shambles. kerry kayes is indefensible as is lee beard. why? BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS GOING TO WEIGH IN 9 POUNDS HEAVIER.

NINE POUNDS

They have put funeka in real danger here and I am going to go out on a limb and call the both of them scum. We don't need that in our sport. Ban the lot of them I say.

[lefthook82]

I dont think I've ever wanted someone to get knocked ut as badly as I do Guzman. My eyes are actually tearing up in rage. There is no defence for what he did whatsoever. He should forfeit half his purse to Funeka at the least. He has done this before at the lower weight and he got to fight whilst the original opponent went home without a payday

[Autobarn]

poor bastard funeka. gets fvcked in his american fights. i'm glad that he's been able to earn what must be some decent purses on american tv because it's farcical how he's been treated by opponents and judges.

should have been a world champ by now.

guzman has failed to make weight so many times, even going back to his super bantamweight days. no wonder he never made it as a superstar. apart from his run and slap style (above featherweight), he just hasn't got the discipline to be a true top level fighter. i hope funeka gies him a very hard night, but possibly guzman's extra weight will allow him enough of an advantage to keep his sorry career moving.

[15829]

WTF was doing in Manchester - a tour of curry houses, chinese restaurants and pie shops.

Surely his trainers knew what was going to happen?

Probably hanging out with Ricky Hatton.......

superb

quality

[gobbles]

Remember how Murray, his manager and trainer got fined when he weight 2oz over. This is nine bloody pounds. They should all get banned. Castillo got a $250,000 fine and it was nothing like this, why does Guzman get away with next to nothing?