USA v Italy in Harvey, IL on March 27, 2010

[Dennis]

The USA roster is:
114: Miguel Cartagena
114: Adan Ortiz
123: Luis Rosa
123: Ernesto Garza
132: Duran Caferro
141: Zeddie Adams
152: Alexander Martin
165: Terrel Gausha
178: Siju Shabazz
201: Jordan Shimmell
201+: Javier Torres
132 Female: Tiara Brown
Five of these boxers competed in the USA v Italy dual last year in Italy: Cartagena, Caferro, Gausha, Shimmell, and Torres.

The likely Team Italy roster will be:
114/52kg Vincenzo Picardi
114/52kg Alex Ferramosca
12356kg Vittorio Parrinello
123/56kg Alessio di Savino
132/60kg Domenico Valentino
141/64kg Vincenzo Mangiacapre or Davide Cenciarelli
152/69kg Diego di Luisa
165/75kg Luca Podda
178/81kg Simone Fiori
201/91kg Clemente Russo
201+/91+kg Roberto Cammarelle
Most of these Italians boxed in the dual vs USA last July in Voghera, Italy: Picardi, Parrinello, Savino, Valentino, Podda, Fiori, Russo, and Cammarelle.

[El Raincoat]

The USA roster is:
114: Miguel Cartagena
114: Adan Ortiz
123: Luis Rosa
123: Ernesto Garza
132: Duran Caferro
141: Zeddie Adams
152: Alexander Martin
165: Terrel Gausha
178: Siju Shabazz
201: Jordan Shimmell
201+: Javier Torres
132 Female: Tiara Brown
Five of these boxers competed in the USA v Italy dual last year in Italy: Cartagena, Caferro, Gausha, Shimmell, and Torres.

The likely Team Italy roster will be:
114/52kg Vincenzo Picardi
114/52kg Alex Ferramosca
12356kg Vittorio Parrinello
123/56kg Alessio di Savino
132/60kg Domenico Valentino
141/64kg Vincenzo Mangiacapre or Davide Cenciarelli
152/69kg Diego di Luisa
165/75kg Luca Podda
178/81kg Simone Fiori
201/91kg Clemente Russo
201+/91+kg Roberto Cammarelle
Most of these Italians boxed in the dual vs USA last July in Voghera, Italy: Picardi, Parrinello, Savino, Valentino, Podda, Fiori, Russo, and Cammarelle.

Strong looking Italian team with plenty of experience. Cammarelle, Russo, Valentino, Di Savino & Picardi in particular. Should be good experience ahead of the National's and 2011 World's.

[Dennis]

Team USA is training with Team Italy. The boxers are getting a lot of experience.

[fighterdad]

anybody have the results?

[fighterdad]

Oops, thought they fought last night. Its tonight.

[TimmySoCal]

can it be watched streamed on on TV anywhere?

[tobyjuhl]

someone gonna post results for this...?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I'm waiting too. I know that Jordan loss 9-2 but he felt he did better than the 1st time he boxed the Beijing silver medalists. http://www.mlive.com/boxing/index.ssf/2 ... l_l_3.html

Overall USA lost 9-3.

[ZMOMMI]

Everyone lost except the 152 and 165. Also our only female won. Zeddie led until the end of the 3rd when he got dropped by a right hook. He recovered quickly, but thought that he still should have won by points. The guys always feel when the fight against other countries that they don't get all of their points, but I wasn't there. I heard that Ernie fought an excellent fight, but the points didn't go his way either.

[Dennis]

International duals typically have 2 officials from each country. If your ref is from USA, then you will have 1 USA judge and 2 Italian judges and vice-versa.

[Dennis]

If a USA boxer is trying to get points with computer scoring and he has 2 Italian judges and they don't press the button, he won't get any points. At least 2 judges have to hit the button within 1 second of each other for a blow to score.

[Dennis]

Duals are about learning and getting better and preparing for the international tourneys where the officials will be more neutral. Our boxers did fairly well against a tough Italian team. Their SHW, 201+, Cammarelle won gold in the 2009 Worlds, gold in 2008 Olympics and gold in 2007 Worlds. Russo, HW - 201, lost a close bout to the 2009 Worlds gold medalist, won silver in 2008 Olympics, and won gold in 2007 Worlds.

[Dennis]

Duals are about learning and getting better and preparing for the international tourneys where the officials will be more neutral. Our boxers did fairly well against a tough Italian team. Their SHW, 201+, Cammarelle won gold in the 2009 Worlds, gold in 2008 Olympics and gold in 2007 Worlds. Russo, HW - 201, lost a close bout by a score of 7-5 to the 2009 Worlds gold medalist, won silver in 2008 Olympics, and won gold in 2007 Worlds.

[Dennis]

2008 Olympic flyweight bronze medalist Vincenzo Picardi boxed USA's #1 106# but they boxed at Picardi's weight of 112. Actually heavier than that when you consider in duals they give a 1KG weight allowance and the weigh-ins were conducted the day before the competition.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

2008 Olympic flyweight bronze medalist Vincenzo Picardi boxed USA's #1 106# but they boxed at Picardi's weight of 112. Actually heavier than that when you consider in duals they give a 1KG weight allowance and the weigh-ins were conducted the day before the competition.

Do you have full results and scores, Dennis? I agree this is all a great experience for our team. The Italian team was tough.

[Dennis]

125# boxer Alessio DiSavino from Italy boxed in the 2008 Olympics and 2009 Worlds. 132# boxer Domenico Valentino from Italy boxed in the 2004 Olympics, won bronze at the 2005 World, silver at the 2007 Worlds, boxed in the 2008 Olympics and won gold at the 2009 Worlds.

[Dennis]

I don't want to downgrade our two male victors, but the 152 & 165 boxers from Italy aren't as experienced as many of the other Italians, but they were still great wins for the USA boxers.

[Dennis]

No, I don't have individual scores from the bouts as I was not an assigned USA coach for this event. The computer scoring system went down for awhile during the Cartagena bout, but was back working a couple of bouts later. So there were a couple of bouts that used paper scoring with clickers instead of the ESS.

[Dennis]

119# boxer from Italy Vittorio Parrinello boxed in the 2008 Olympics. I think that is it for boxers from the Italian team that have boxed in the Olympics and Worlds.

[COACH J]

I heard that Cartagena should of won and that he was up in the first round and then the computer stop working, in round 2 Cartagena knock him down clean. Even the guy from Italy told him he won and was not happy at all, why did they fight at a heavyer weight and weight in the day before?

[Dennis]

Boxers often move up or down to compete in international duals as other countries often do not send a boxer in every weight class. Since Italy wasn't going to have a 106 or 108 boxer, then Miguel had to go up to 112 or 114 if he wanted to compete. As far as the day before weigh-in, they have done that in every USA dual in 2009 and so far in 2010. Duals are handled differently than other international competitions as there are typically only 3 judges and they aren't neutral.

[NYboxing]

March 27 USA vs. Italy Dual Results

132 lbs/female: Tiara Brown, Columbus, Ga./USA dec. Romina Marenda, ITA, 3-0

112 lbs/51 kg: Vincenza Picardi, ITA dec. Miguel Cartagena, Philadelphia, Pa./USA, 3-0
112 lbs/51 kg: Alex Ferramosca, ITA, dec. Adan Ortiz, Sterling, Ill./USA, 3-0
119 lbs/54 kg: Vittorio Parrinello, ITA, dec. Luis Rosa, East Haven, Conn./USA, 3-0
125 lbs/57 kg: Alessio DiSavino, ITA, dec. Ernesto Garza, Saginaw, Mich./USA, 2-1
132 lbs/60 kg: Domenico Valentino, ITA, dec. Duran Caferro, Helena, Mont./USA, 19-6
141 lbs/64 kg: Davide Cencianelli, ITA, dec. Zeddie Adams, Cleveland, Ohio/USA, 18-15
152 lbs/69 kg: Alex Martin, Joilet, Ill./USA, vs. dec. Diego DiLuisa, ITA, 17-8
165 lbs/75 kg: Terrell Gausha, Cleveland, Ohio/USA dec. Luca Podda, ITA, 18-16
178 lbs/81 kg: Simone Fiori, ITA, dec. Siju Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M./USA, 17-15
201 lbs/91 kg: Clemente Russo, ITA, dec. Jordan Shimmell, Hudsonville, Mich./USA, 9-2
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Roberto Cammarelle, ITA dec. Javier Torres, Commerce, Calif./USA, 20-2

(source USA Boxing)

[COACH J]

Hey dennis did you see the fights? I got them and I want to tell you, your son can and will beat that guy, that score was bull, IMO it was 9-5, I was impress with Jordan I seen both duels and in this one he looked more relaxed but one thing I would like to know, if you seen the fight you know what am going to ask and if you haven't seen it ask Jordan why did he stop using the Double and triple jab IMO that's why he lost, next time they fight your son will win keep up the good work.
If you don't got the video I can get you his bout the person that gave me them told me not to post them on YouTube or give them to anyone unless the coach gives the ok, so I know you're Jordan father would you like me to post it

[Dennis]

Hey dennis did you see the fights? I got them and I want to tell you, your son can and will beat that guy, that score was bull, IMO it was 9-5, I was impress with Jordan I seen both duels and in this one he looked more relaxed but one thing I would like to know, if you seen the fight you know what am going to ask and if you haven't seen it ask Jordan why did he stop using the Double and triple jab IMO that's why he lost, next time they fight your son will win keep up the good work.
If you don't got the video I can get you his bout the person that gave me them told me not to post them on YouTube or give them to anyone unless the coach gives the ok, so I know you're Jordan father would you like me to post it

I was in the corner so I did see the fight live. I wanted Jordan to jab more, but it isn't a video game with him doing exactly what I want. He did do most of what I instructed and I was very proud of his performance and improvement over the last year. Thanks for the kind words. I thought Jordan did great and the socre was not accurate, but that is what you get with 2 Italian judges and only 1 USA judge and going up against one of their superstars.

Getting the video would be great. You can post it too if you would like. I was opposed to having videos of him on the internet, but they are already out there now so it doesn't make much difference anymore.

[JMac]

Article from Reno paper on upcoming dual there:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100330/SPO ... 018/SPORTS