Carl Froch: ''Calzaghe's like a Jack Russell''!

[tonyevs]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

[Matt W]

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

Which IMO is why he should shut up about Froch. He's not doing himself any favours with his sniping.

[gobbles]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

Is he gomez posing under another name just to make gomez appear reasonable?

[Jab and Move]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

[hurlock]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

what the legend killer

i out jonesd roy jones

after 46 & 0 he's defining fights boil down to lacy & kassler
reid was robbed v him & he only faced him on a back of a defeat.

[Jab and Move]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

what the legend killer

i out jonesd roy jones

after 46 & 0 he's defining fights boil down to lacy & kassler
reid was robbed v him & he only faced him on a back of a defeat.

Precisley. Finally someone on here that understands boxing.

[hurlock]

he has a point on this subject

calzaghe is undoubtedly world class, but he's longjevity was due to facing bums & being active look at m.hatton.

[Sweet P]

Froch shouldn't really speak about Calzaghe, He has about 1/10th the Talent of the Welshman.
Calzaghe would have easily accounted for Froch, at any stage of his career, He could come bak now and it would be an easy payday .

so why didn't he fight carl and shut him up?

Interesting, Fight Froch for fornicate all. Or fight Hopkins then Roy Jones Jnr for plenty of Money. You guess Einstein

[frankwarrenfan]

did joe get paid a lot of money for fighting sakio bika or evans ashira?

i bet he didn't!

[Deadendgeneration]

Tell you what though, say all you want about Hopkins age when Calzaghe fought him, Hopkins would beat Froch pretty handily now and he's a few years older.

[Coco]

Bika would also beat most

[whiskey]

Interesting, Fight Froch for fornicate all. Or fight Hopkins then Roy Jones Jnr for plenty of Money. You guess Einstein

You don't do math either ?

Hopkins was on regular HBO, not PPV and his fight with Jones was the worst performing PPV that year, due to the fact Jones has never been a big seller, even in his unbeaten heyday and Calzaghe remained largely unknown to the States' wider audience on account of spending his time in Wales for years.

Froch vs Calzaghe would have been a absolutely huge domestic fight and certainly a 50,000+ seat job at the millennium arena.

Fact is he fought a stack of shit in Ashira, Bika and Manfredo for chump change when he could have made a massive fight.

Even with the Warren situation removed, he could have fought after Jones or even after Froch beat Taylor, but chose to retire.

[Coco]

Fighting JC might have even generated enough interest to get Froch on the tv!

[collydagenham]

Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

[whiskey]

Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

There is not enough text on this forum to analyse that.

I'm assuming you think his record is pixel perfect then?

I'd start the ball rolling at Brian Magee... he pulled out that fight with a sell out in Belfast and went and rematched Mario Veit whom he stopped in one round. They span some bull about Brian not being recognised by the WBO despite him fighting a huge stockpile of men not ranked even in the top 20 of the division.

He was chatting about moving up to light heavyweight but pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson and almost ended up in court for loss of earnings. It was Warren's co-promotional relationship with Johnson that stopped it.

He farted and moaned about not getting anyone to come to Wales to fight him... he should have gone to the States many a year ago but floated rumours about flying and all sorts to stop it.

Roy Jones when he was the unified 175lb champion fought Clinton Woods - but Joe couldn't muster the courage to chase the big fights. He was happy fighting cannon fodder delivered to Wales for years and years.

The fact he faced his first fellow belt holder after 12 years as champion tells me enough about his aspirations.

His boasts about being 'much better than Lennox Lewis because he was defeated' absolutely sums him for me.

Rematching chumps but anyone he was barely to beat, he swerved them like the plague. Robin Reid was ostrcised by UK boxing to fight around europe for a living. Hopkins offered to go to Wales but Joe refused.

Instead he fought a guy he claimed was shot to bits (his own words). People say ah he wanted a nest egg etc etc - that's fine, but tell me how he was a great warrior and the best this country produced because that's tosh.

His legacy is littered with bums, unknowns and little people - and excuse and excuse from him and his supporters.

Evans Ashira for example - a guy who'd never fought at Super middle before or since, a short little light middlweight who'd be destroyed in 3 only a couple of fights earlier sums him up.

People make this a Froch argument - but can you imagine Froch announcing he was fighting some pup from 154 who wasn't even a champion at his own weight - or Peter Manfredo?

You'd swallow it if Joe was just starting out, but these fights were made after he had held that trinket title for over a decade.

Truth is i used to follow Joe, but tired of his fixed fights where he would drop all the big names in interviews and fight someone absolutely unknown to everyone. Then talk about big names again.

Some of his fights you couldn't even get odds on from a bookies they were so nailed on.

But obviously i'm just a froch supporter / critic / hater aren't I and none of the above is really true is it

[tonyevs]

Jab and Move, I`m seriously thinking your just Gomez posting under another username to get more Calzaghe slating on the site :(

Calzaghe is retired ... move on

I just dislike him. I cant help it, he's just one of them guys I dislike, mainly because he spent his life fighting bums and convincing the general public and non boxing fans that he is the greatest fighter ever.

You certainly know your boxing

Thats whats so good about Boxrec .. anybody can pull up a past or present boxers record. Or even post a thread asking for information on a said boxers amateur career, or even get a link to some of the actual fights ... then again, some people know everything already. Even about things they know nothing about ...

[jamesmcdonnell]

Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

There is not enough text on this forum to analyse that.

I'm assuming you think his record is pixel perfect then?

I'd start the ball rolling at Brian Magee... he pulled out that fight with a sell out in Belfast and went and rematched Mario Veit whom he stopped in one round. They span some bull about Brian not being recognised by the WBO despite him fighting a huge stockpile of men not ranked even in the top 20 of the division.

He was chatting about moving up to light heavyweight but pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson and almost ended up in court for loss of earnings. It was Warren's co-promotional relationship with Johnson that stopped it.

He farted and moaned about not getting anyone to come to Wales to fight him... he should have gone to the States many a year ago but floated rumours about flying and all sorts to stop it.

Roy Jones when he was the unified 175lb champion fought Clinton Woods - but Joe couldn't muster the courage to chase the big fights. He was happy fighting cannon fodder delivered to Wales for years and years.

The fact he faced his first fellow belt holder after 12 years as champion tells me enough about his aspirations.

His boasts about being 'much better than Lennox Lewis because he was defeated' absolutely sums him for me.

Rematching chumps but anyone he was barely to beat, he swerved them like the plague. Robin Reid was ostrcised by UK boxing to fight around europe for a living. Hopkins offered to go to Wales but Joe refused.

Instead he fought a guy he claimed was shot to bits (his own words). People say ah he wanted a nest egg etc etc - that's fine, but tell me how he was a great warrior and the best this country produced because that's tosh.

His legacy is littered with bums, unknowns and little people - and excuse and excuse from him and his supporters.

Evans Ashira for example - a guy who'd never fought at Super middle before or since, a short little light middlweight who'd be destroyed in 3 only a couple of fights earlier sums him up.

People make this a Froch argument - but can you imagine Froch announcing he was fighting some pup from 154 who wasn't even a champion at his own weight - or Peter Manfredo?

You'd swallow it if Joe was just starting out, but these fights were made after he had held that trinket title for over a decade.

Truth is i used to follow Joe, but tired of his fixed fights where he would drop all the big names in interviews and fight someone absolutely unknown to everyone. Then talk about big names again.

Some of his fights you couldn't even get odds on from a bookies they were so nailed on.

But obviously i'm just a froch supporter / critic / hater aren't I and none of the above is really true is it

Brilliant summation, I agree with it all EXCEPT one little point. Hopkins priced himself out of that one, demanding double the agreed contractual fee on the day he arrived to sign it - you cannot blame Joe for that one.

The Irony is, based on when they did fight, I think Hopkins would have beaten Joe at that point, he'd have exploited the defensive frailties and drawn him into a messy brawl and won by a clear margin.

Joe was too much of a homeboy, always wanted hand picked opponents, always wanted home advantage, always moaning about not getting respect, but doing nothing to earn it.

Even his best wins over Kessler and Lacy are looking less impressive as time goes on. His performance against Hopkins was Dire, and even the ghost of Roy Jones Jr had him on his arse.

Calzaghe had plrenty of talent, but lacked the balls to provde it against the best. I have no doubt that had he fought the 10 or so fighters that were around the upper eschelons of the division that he never matched up with, he'd have had a few losses on that record he is always banging on about. He'd have also been far more respected amongst the boxing fraternity too.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Calzaghe critics, tell us who he SHOULD have fought and WHEN he should have fought them and at what weight he should have fought them, throughout his career.

There is not enough text on this forum to analyse that.

I'm assuming you think his record is pixel perfect then?

I'd start the ball rolling at Brian Magee... he pulled out that fight with a sell out in Belfast and went and rematched Mario Veit whom he stopped in one round. They span some bull about Brian not being recognised by the WBO despite him fighting a huge stockpile of men not ranked even in the top 20 of the division.

He was chatting about moving up to light heavyweight but pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson and almost ended up in court for loss of earnings. It was Warren's co-promotional relationship with Johnson that stopped it.

He farted and moaned about not getting anyone to come to Wales to fight him... he should have gone to the States many a year ago but floated rumours about flying and all sorts to stop it.

Roy Jones when he was the unified 175lb champion fought Clinton Woods - but Joe couldn't muster the courage to chase the big fights. He was happy fighting cannon fodder delivered to Wales for years and years.

The fact he faced his first fellow belt holder after 12 years as champion tells me enough about his aspirations.

His boasts about being 'much better than Lennox Lewis because he was defeated' absolutely sums him for me.

Rematching chumps but anyone he was barely to beat, he swerved them like the plague. Robin Reid was ostrcised by UK boxing to fight around europe for a living. Hopkins offered to go to Wales but Joe refused.

Instead he fought a guy he claimed was shot to bits (his own words). People say ah he wanted a nest egg etc etc - that's fine, but tell me how he was a great warrior and the best this country produced because that's tosh.

His legacy is littered with bums, unknowns and little people - and excuse and excuse from him and his supporters.

Evans Ashira for example - a guy who'd never fought at Super middle before or since, a short little light middlweight who'd be destroyed in 3 only a couple of fights earlier sums him up.

People make this a Froch argument - but can you imagine Froch announcing he was fighting some pup from 154 who wasn't even a champion at his own weight - or Peter Manfredo?

You'd swallow it if Joe was just starting out, but these fights were made after he had held that trinket title for over a decade.

Truth is i used to follow Joe, but tired of his fixed fights where he would drop all the big names in interviews and fight someone absolutely unknown to everyone. Then talk about big names again.

Some of his fights you couldn't even get odds on from a bookies they were so nailed on.

But obviously i'm just a froch supporter / critic / hater aren't I and none of the above is really true is it

Brilliant summation, I agree with it all EXCEPT one little point. Hopkins priced himself out of that one, demanding double the agreed contractual fee on the day he arrived to sign it - you cannot blame Joe for that one.

The Irony is, based on when they did fight, I think Hopkins would have beaten Joe at that point, he'd have exploited the defensive frailties and drawn him into a messy brawl and won by a clear margin.

Joe was too much of a homeboy, always wanted hand picked opponents, always wanted home advantage, always moaning about not getting respect, but doing nothing to earn it.

Even his best wins over Kessler and Lacy are looking less impressive as time goes on. His performance against Hopkins was Dire, and even the ghost of Roy Jones Jr had him on his arse.

Calzaghe had plrenty of talent, but lacked the balls to provde it against the best. I have no doubt that had he fought the 10 or so fighters that were around the upper eschelons of the division that he never matched up with, he'd have had a few losses on that record he is always banging on about. He'd have also been far more respected amongst the boxing fraternity too.

Brilliant summation, I agree with it all EXCEPT one little point. Hopkins priced himself out of that one, demanding double the agreed contractual fee on the day he arrived to sign it - you cannot blame Joe for that one.

The Irony is, based on when they did fight, I think Hopkins would have beaten Joe at that point, he'd have exploited the defensive frailties and drawn him into a messy brawl and won by a clear margin.

Joe was too much of a homeboy, always wanted hand picked opponents, always wanted home advantage, always moaning about not getting respect, but doing nothing to earn it.

Even his best wins over Kessler and Lacy are looking less impressive as time goes on. His performance against Hopkins was Dire, and even the ghost of Roy Jones Jr had him on his arse.

Calzaghe had plrenty of talent, but lacked the balls to provde it against the best. I have no doubt that had he fought the 10 or so fighters that were around the upper eschelons of the division that he never matched up with, he'd have had a few losses on that record he is always banging on about. He'd have also been far more respected amongst the boxing fraternity too.

[mickey1975]

He actually pulled out of the Magee fight after the purse winning German promoters invoked a rule meaning he had no choice not to box.I suppose he could have given up the crown,instead of getting a huge payday to rematch someone he had already destroyed,but hey...

[tonyzvictor2]

carl froch one pace boreing

[hurlock]

carl froch one pace boreing

froch is many things but boring :!:

you must be smoking crack