Vegan-Vegetarian boxers

[BoxBuzz]

Yep

Nuts

Seeds

Beans

Legumes

have no protein.

LOL

This statement is not factual. And since you placed LOL at the end I assume you know it and it is meant in a comedic fashion. Just not sure who your audience is.

[Robinson]

It is not just proteins, but amino acids and B vitamins
that one derives from 'meat' not to mention minerals
like zinc etc.

Heck EVERYONE of your computers uses stearic acid
which is derived from animal tallo. So its very hardf to
be vegan.

You can get calcium from a lot of sources, but milk is
still the best way to absorb it.

So while you can get proteins from beans, legumes,
nuts etc etc
The amino acids and the like found in meats are still
best delivered by the consumption of animal flesh.

[gregor]

I am a vegetarian (although not very strict, and definitely not vegan) and I used to train really hard few years ago without getting any kind of problems. I guess if someone is a vegan things become more difficult.

[Robinson]

In essence it is a label and you have many degrees of it all.

Vegans however atleast the militant ones are extremely
hypocritical in so many ways. But I guess so long as they do
not consume the flesh.

I think I eat 3kg of meat a day and drink 2lt of milk a day :P
So I am the opposite to either lifestyles.

[enrique]

Oooh.. poor baby...grannie got all flustered by my sage advise...poor baby... dish it out in buckets but any counterpunch and you do a fainting Phil Scott.... Also you have serious anger issues. Make your peace with Ali, Pacheco and the Dundees, read a bio of Howard Cosell, listen to the best speeches of Don King, take love advice from Mike Tyson and call me in the morning.

[Roars Like Me]

My Dad's a vegan and a nutrionist to boot. He's very healthy looking and full of energy at 68 years old. The standard argument that vegetarian are a uhealthy looking bunch could well be true as they compensate with their loss of meat by eating far too much dairy, something that we are all intolerant too.
The problem with being a vegan/veggie is that you really do need to understand food and what foods do for you. If you decide meat is not for you anymore, for whatever reason, don't expect to be healthy because you suddenly give it up. The chances are you'll fuel the fire for the more ignorant meat eaters that say it's bollocks and we are 'evolved to eat meat', blah blah blah.

Boxer's have nutrionists on their side so it would be perfectly fine for any boxer to be a vegan if he/she wanted to.

[Robinson]

The fact remains that we as a species are here, where we are because
of our complete diet of meats and vegies as such.

To say we are all intolerant to dairy is daft. We have been drinking the
milk of animals for ALOT longer than we have soy milk.

In any case, I respect your choice to your own diet. That is good for you.
I just do not like the misinformation that can be directed at impresonable
people and the agenda of some people that feel the need to 'convert'
others to their lifestyles.

How do you get about with vegan friendly electronics, medical services
and the likes?

Thanks again

[Goodnight, Irene]

I've always found the great irony in those who espouse the (false) theory that humans are not evolved to eat meat is that, without red meat in the beginning, our brains may well not have exploded into gear & advanced us. This would ultimately mean none of the scientific substitutes which are necessary (which should be enough right there for some of these vegan idiots to get a clue) for vegetarians to live healthily, ie, iron tablets.

[Roars Like Me]

The fact remains that we as a species are here, where we are because
of our complete diet of meats and vegies as such.

To say we are all intolerant to dairy is daft. We have been drinking the
milk of animals for ALOT longer than we have soy milk.

In any case, I respect your choice to your own diet. That is good for you.
I just do not like the misinformation that can be directed at impresonable
people and the agenda of some people that feel the need to 'convert'
others to their lifestyles.

How do you get about with vegan friendly electronics, medical services
and the likes?

Thanks again

Firstly I'm not a vegan my Dad is, I understand his diet but I like to eat meat and veg.
I don't think it's daft to say we are all intolerant to milk - the idea is that milk gives us a great source of calcium and it does. However if you just think I need my calcium this is the way to do it, you're wrong. You need large ammounts of magnesium (dark greens, for instance) to absorb the calcium. This goes back to knowing what food does for you and how it works. After all cows are herbivores and eat vegitation all day long to get strong bones, there not sucking their own udders. Yes they get milk from their mother's at an early age because that is natural fo weening. It's not natural for a cow to produce anymore milk than that. The fact that we give cows steroids to produce unnatural ammount of milk for us to drink is where we should think ' is that really normal'.

People think they are doing the right thing as the push is always form the govt/dairy producers. The average punter will think 'cool i'll just do that then'.
The fact that people get Heart Disease, cancer, ashtma, diabetes all from toxins, fats, cholesterol, all found in dairy isn't really 'daft to say' because we've been using dairy for lots of years now. If that's the theory then we've been having wars for years now, that doesn't make it right does it? I didn't bring up the fact of soy but I don't drink it anyway.

I have black coffee and don't drink milk at all but if I'll have choclate bar form time to time.

I can see the argument for hemp clothing although it's all a bit itchy for me.
Homopathic remedies are alright for me, although if I was run over by a truck and survived I'd take the hospital drugs and detox aftre with some homeopathic drugs to help rid me of the man made stuff.
I'm not sure about rh electronic side of things, I would need to look that up.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a pop, I'm not trying to but it seesm clear to me regarding dairy.

[wouter]

Bep Van Klaveren was a vegetarian.

[Diamond WEAPON]

I know Bernard Hopkins is a Vegetarian or perhaps a quasi Vegan.

But how many fighters have opted to take this life style. I imagine
it would be a lot easier these days to have such diet, but I am still
curious.

Thanks again

Hopkins eats meat. Oscar De La Hoya even once said that he mainly eats lean meats and has everything prepared very particularly when eating out.

As an aside Vegans and Vegetarians are no more "healthy" than other people, it just so happens that usually when someone chooses to be Vegan or Vegetarian they obviously have to pay specific attention to what they are eating, and thus, are usually well-informed about nutrition, whereas meat-eaters run the gamut from well-informed health-minded types to totally reckless people who will eat virtually anything with wanton disregard to whether it's good or bad for them.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Weapon is right.

[Ambling Alp]

Howard Davis was a vegetarian. Sadly I remember that. Now if I could only remember where I parked my car when coming out of the supermarket.

[Roars Like Me]

I've always found the great irony in those who espouse the (false) theory that humans are not evolved to eat meat is that, without red meat in the beginning, our brains may well not have exploded into gear & advanced us. This would ultimately mean none of the scientific substitutes which are necessary (which should be enough right there for some of these vegan idiots to get a clue) for vegetarians to live healthily, ie, iron tablets.

Complete toss I'm afraid - a vegan/veggie doesn't need any 'scientific substitutes', where did you get that shyte form? You just need to eat the right foods and it's really easy to do anyway. If you know about food you would know this, if you don't you just don't

Your 'false' theory derives from getting amino acids into us. There are 20 of them, of which 11 occur naturally in the body, the other 9 you have to go off and get yourself.

This evolutionary explosion theory is in part rubbish, we aren't evolved to eat meat. To evolve to eat meat you would need to have characteristics of a lion for instance. The speed, agility, bone crushing jaws, claws and and extremely acidic stomachs that humans don't possess.

The fact that a caveman made a spear and can kill an animal to eat doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, that's evolving through invention not gentetics. It just means man at that time had to do what he had to survive. So as I mentioned earlier the evolutionary exlosion theory is 'in part rubbish' is because a caveman wouldn't have the brains to figure out what greens etc to eat to make sure they were getting all the nutrients that they needed.
So the fact that cavemen advanced due to meat does apply purely because the caveman diet was as poor as it gets prior to killing an animal for meat.

The problem is some of us are still in denial in every sense when it come to meat.
Some of us know it's wrong but still eat it (I'm one of these knobs I'm afraid but I will give it up eventually).
Others still have the caveman gene and consider all vegans/veggies need 'to get a clue'.

For the Jerry Springer sum up:

We are no longer Cavemen, we have complete knowledge on all food with regard to mineral and vitamins and all the good/bad things food does for us.

You will live a much healthier lifestyle without meat not with it you numpties 8)

[The Great John L]

Some of us know it's wrong but still eat it (I'm one of these knobs I'm afraid but I will give it up eventually).

Why is it wrong to eat meat?

[Goodnight, Irene]

"...You will live a much helathier lifestyle without meat not with it you numpties 8)" - Roars

Factually incorrect. Entirely.

[Roars Like Me]

"...You will live a much helathier lifestyle without meat not with it you numpties 8)" - Roars

Factually incorrect. Entirely.

Please go on, I need some more of your 'facts'

[The Great John L]

"...You will live a much helathier lifestyle without meat not with it you numpties 8)" - Roars

Factually incorrect. Entirely.

Please go on, I need some more of your 'facts'

Please explain why it is "wrong" to eat meat?

[The Great John L]

Thanks Barry, but I was trying to get a reply from the guy who actually made the statement.

[Roars Like Me]

Please go on, I need some more of your 'facts'

Please explain why it is "wrong" to eat meat?

There is nothing wrong with eating meat. For one to say that health related issues are simply caused by too much dairy/meat consumption is false. There are many factors that indicate health related issues. You cannot pinpoint to one factor and say that it is the cause (like the morons that claim that High Corn Fructose Syrup causes obesity . . . no) for this when Person 1 may react differently to Person 2. Milk is very healthy for humans and along with eggs provides the best amino acids. *Waits for someone to come in here and tell me that Eggs are bad for your health and they put you at risk for coronary heart diseases . . . Ha! I love that joke!* Although, I do think Protein is slightly overrated as far as the amounts an athlete needs . . . an athlete will not have maximum growth and recovery in the cells by only getting "complementary amino acids" (e.g. beans, legumes, rice, peanut butter, etc.) For you to get a "complete amino acid profile" one must intake milk, eggs, cottage cheese, meat, fish, poultry, etc. Milk is bad for us? No, it is not. If anyone wants to further debate my claims you will have to weather a storm from the power of scientific facts *GASP, BARRY! YOU MEAN I CANT JUST MAKE UP STUFF AND GO OFF WHAT SOMEBODY TOLD ME?* No, you can't. In fact, for all those that might find what I said to be "false" do yourself a favor and . . . go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ and start to learn from facts, not subjective hearsay.

Oh my god you actually believe milk is good for you because the govt say so
On top of that the bed pals of the govt the USDA (in the States) can pretty much do what they like. You should read ex employees accounts of beef contamination and how it's swept under the carpet.

Mother's milk is good for us until 2 years old and then you get your calcium etc from food.
No other mammal in the world apart form humans drinks another mammal's milk. On top of that no mammal drinks milk into their adulthood, it's purely for the young to wean onto food.

Barry, do yourself a favour and research it all yourself before you listen this blinkered, old fashioned version of events.

http://www.milksucks.com/more.asp

[Roars Like Me]

"...You will live a much helathier lifestyle without meat not with it you numpties 8)" - Roars

Factually incorrect. Entirely.

Please go on, I need some more of your 'facts'

Please explain why it is "wrong" to eat meat?

Ethically, the abbatoirs are nasty places where time is money and animals are treated appalingly - an instance would be for a cow to be stunned, which doesn't always work. They are then hung up by their back legs and have thier jugular cut (not always done correclty) causing them to bleed to death or not in some cases. So potentially they could still be alive and then they have there heads cut off. That's without the sicker side of employees to get the animals to get in line.

Health, you would not be ingesting all the isecticides, steroids. It's contaminated stuff basically. Have look here if you fancy - http://www.goveg.com/contamination.asp

I've already metioned my hypocrosy as I'm a meat eater. However I have gone 3 days without meat now and 'could be' on the straight and narrow.

I've always eatan organic meat so it 'should' be clean meat. However they all go to the same place to get killed so ethically it's not right, to me at least.

[The Great John L]

Ethically, the abbatoirs are nasty places where time is money and animals are treated appalingly - an instance would be for a cow to be stunned, which doesn't always work. They are then hung up by their back legs and have thier jugular cut (not always done correclty) causing them to bleed to death or not in some cases. So potentially they could still be alive and then they have there heads cut off. That's without the sicker side of employees to get the animals to get in line.

Health, you would not be ingesting all the isecticides, steroids. It's contaminated stuff basically. Have look here if you fancy - http://www.goveg.com/contamination.asp

I've already metioned my hypocrosy as I'm a meat eater. However I have gone 3 days without meat now and 'could be' on the straight and narrow.

I've always eatan organic meat so it 'should' be clean meat. However they all go to the same place to get killed so ethically it's not right, to me at least.

I live in the suburbs surrounded by farms. Much of what I buy and eat is raised locally and range fed.

Sorry, but nothing you've posted is news to me, or convinces me that eating meat is somehow wrong.

[Roars Like Me]

Ethically, the abbatoirs are nasty places where time is money and animals are treated appalingly - an instance would be for a cow to be stunned, which doesn't always work. They are then hung up by their back legs and have thier jugular cut (not always done correclty) causing them to bleed to death or not in some cases. So potentially they could still be alive and then they have there heads cut off. That's without the sicker side of employees to get the animals to get in line.

Health, you would not be ingesting all the isecticides, steroids. It's contaminated stuff basically. Have look here if you fancy - http://www.goveg.com/contamination.asp

I've already metioned my hypocrosy as I'm a meat eater. However I have gone 3 days without meat now and 'could be' on the straight and narrow.

I've always eatan organic meat so it 'should' be clean meat. However they all go to the same place to get killed so ethically it's not right, to me at least.

I live in the suburbs surrounded by farms. Much of what I buy and eat is raised locally and range fed.

Sorry, but nothing you've posted is news to me, or convinces me that eating meat is somehow wrong.

That's completely up to you. A fraction of what I've posted is more than enough to convince me so we can stay opposed for this one.

[zojo]

I am pretty sure I read that Kieth Holmes is a vegan. He has done well.

Mac Danzig in the UFC is a vegan and he won one of the TUFs

[Roars Like Me]

Bill Pearl won Mr Universe a few times, he's a veggie. (at the time of winning as well as now by the way)