The bout with Larry Derrick was also a New York Golden Gloves championship bout,in which on March.16.1973Brutu wrote:Earlous Tripp/KO.
That was for the 1976 New York Golden Gloves Heavyweight Open Championship at Madison Square Garden.
You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks likegranberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.
I thought Cooney had a lot of potential. If he had promoters who put him in tough learning fights, like with Quick Tillis or Renaldo Snipes, he may well have had a few losses, but he would have come out of it a tougher and more complete fighter.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I have no resentment towards Gerry. He is a genuine nice guy and very proactive in looking after other fighters and trying to implement new measures to help all fighters.
He just wasn't very good and while they may have rushed him, he may very well have lost before he got the huge fight if they didn't.
Tommy Morrison > Gerry Cooney, I think that says it all.
Edit: Not sure what happened there, I responded to a post from Brutu.
On the Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly thread I wrote:ebeneezer wrote:You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks likegranberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.
What does this have to do with Cooney being a good prospect? And when are you going to explain how Cooney vs Young was a fix?granberry wrote:Gil Clancy trained George Foreman to lose to Jimmy Young.
Foreman said ruefully after the fight, "I NEVER should have boxed him," referring to clueless Clancy's fight plan.
Eddie Futch, who 'trained' Michael Spinks to last 91 seconds against Tyson (that includes the ten count)
and who trained Duane Bobick to last 58 seconds against Ken Norton (that includes the ten count)
is known as the ultimate salesman of himself.
Clancy is a close second.
Nope.granberry wrote:On the Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly thread I wrote:ebeneezer wrote:You don't even know what Georges Carpentier looks likegranberry wrote:I know of two fights Cooney had ( "won") that were fakes set up before they took place.
"Kelly had an odd stance, leaning away in a manner similar to the stance Georges Carpentier used against Frank Klaus in a fight early in Carpentier's career."
It turned out it was the film of Carpentier fighting Klaus, in a very fuzzy state.
Thanks for calling attention to my expertise in boxing stances, the absolute fundamental of the subject.
You didn't know it was Capentier until it was pointed out to youCan't believe I saw that.
Never thought I'd see Tommy Ryan, even at this very old stage, long after he had really stopped fighting seriously
Kelly, the taller, is obviously very intimidated by fighting Ryan even though Ryan lost his middleweight title in 1896 to Kid McCoy, eleven years earlier, then claimed the title again but certainly hadn't been considered a really active fighter for years.
ebeneezer is following me around boxrec posting his falsehood about Carpentier which matches word for word with what collins has posted.BoxBuzz wrote:gran, you seem to recognize correctly that Collin's behavior was not acceptable within this forum, and now you seem to be up to the same sort of provocative shenanigans. Would you like to join him in hiatus? Anton has warned you, and now you've heard it from me. Cut the personal insults or you will be shown the door.
Ebeneezer knows little more about Collins than the fact that you two could not get along.. Just make your point and stop the attacks.
granberry wrote:buz,
ARE YOU TELLING ME
that when ebeneezer (or any other collins clone)
posts falsehoods about me and what I posted
and falsifies a thread and then posts his own url for his falsified version of a thread
that I should put up with that?
No thank you.
Enjoy your holiday. During 4-week Pacific cruise, I suggest you review your attitude.granberry wrote:buz,
ARE YOU TELLING ME
that when ebeneezer (or any other collins clone)
posts falsehoods about me and what I posted
and falsifies a thread and then posts his own url for his falsified version of a thread
that I should put up with that?
No thank you.
1. Spinks wernt pathetic. He just had 1 bad night against Tyson.granberry wrote:Cooney only fought "dead bodies."
He lost to anyone who hit him back.
Even to pathetic Michael Spinks.
I just recently saw an old advertisment in a December 1979 newspaper TV section for a HBO live boxing featuringBrutu wrote:Some sellers have these early fights on vhs.but I wonder if they were locally televised or taped from audience.
1978- Cooney vrs S.T Gordon/Las Vegas/wdq4/(11th professional fight)
1978- Cooney vrs Grady Daniels/NYC/WRSD4/(15th pro fight)
1979-Cooney vrs Charlie Johnson/NYC/KO1/(17th pro fight)
Cooney vrs Tom Prater/NYC/KO2/(18th pro fight)
Cooney vrs John Dino Denis/NYC/KO3/(21st pro fight)
Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone/Atlantic City/TKO6/(22nd pro fight)
It would appear that Cooney vrs Lopez was scheduled to be televised along with Knoetze vrs Sharkey.Brutu wrote:When Gerry Cooney made a guest appearence on FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS talking to Brian Kinney a few years ago.
He was asked to give a Top 5 list of what he considered his best fights.
One of the top 5 Cooney listed was his grueling 8 round decision win against,
Eddie(the Anima) Lopez.
January.13.1979 at the Convention Center in Miami Beach Florida.
It had been a preliminary fight on the Knoetze-Bill Sharkey fight.
It was the one top 5 fight that they didnt show a tape of because he said they had no film of it.
Anyone know of any video tape or film of the Cooney-Lopez fight?
You can see the finish to the Boone fight hereBrutu wrote:I just recently saw an old advertisment in a December 1979 newspaper TV section for a HBO live boxing featuringBrutu wrote:Some sellers have these early fights on vhs.but I wonder if they were locally televised or taped from audience.
1978- Cooney vrs S.T Gordon/Las Vegas/wdq4/(11th professional fight)
1978- Cooney vrs Grady Daniels/NYC/WRSD4/(15th pro fight)
1979-Cooney vrs Charlie Johnson/NYC/KO1/(17th pro fight)
Cooney vrs Tom Prater/NYC/KO2/(18th pro fight)
Cooney vrs John Dino Denis/NYC/KO3/(21st pro fight)
Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone/Atlantic City/TKO6/(22nd pro fight)
" Young American Heavyweights".
Greg Page vrs Ira Martin
Gerry Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone
Tex Cobb vrs Sam McGill(which apparently was canceled as I did not see it on Cobb's boxrec listing.
Anyway according to the newspaper accounts, In the sixth round,Cooney hit Boone in a lower rib with a vicious left hook and Boone doubled over and turned his back on Cooney and the ref stopped the fight.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I have no resentment towards Gerry. He is a genuine nice guy and very proactive in looking after other fighters and trying to implement new measures to help all fighters.
He just wasn't very good and while they may have rushed him, he may very well have lost before he got the huge fight if they didn't.
Tommy Morrison > Gerry Cooney, I think that says it all.
Edit: Not sure what happened there, I responded to a post from Brutu.
Brutu wrote:It was always said that even coming into this fight that Cooney had no real power in his right hand.
Check out at 3:00.It looks like it may have been actually really a left hook that really may have first hurt Norton and not the right hand
that did land just after it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vbEvNRPQE
dempseyfire wrote:
Would Tommy the Duke last 13 rounds vs a 1982 Holmes? No way in hell.
Brutu wrote:Cooney had a big fan base from Long Island.His profesional debut was against Bill Jackson/KO1/ February 15.1977 at the Sunnyside Gardens Queens NYC.
I wonder how many of his early fights may have been recorded by fans from Long Island who had video cameras in the audience and perhaps
the vhs tapes are just still sitting in a shoebox in someones closet next to their platform shoes(like perhaps a lot of other fights of other boxers).