Tonights undercard

[Pro boxer to be]

Id like to read the boxing news report on this as most people sitting ringside saw this as a combfortble win for for Ancliff.

You don't need to wait nearly a whole week for the Boxing News report, Jon. Mine's been up since Sunday morning.

Ancliff piss*d it. Even if he was scrappy and/or missing with some, he was actually trying to win the fight and the other chap hardly did a thing.

i dont car what the boxing news says to, you gotta be blind if you cant see adrian landing the cleaner punches and not taking anything, now its gone from ancliff landing more to ancliff landed one right hand that won a round, before he landed all night long, look at the video, he lands sht all he constantly missed, was made to miss and because adrian didnt do much its like thats what gone against him, he didnt work as hard as the other guy fare enough but he seemed to do what he thought was cleaner, as said look at haye valuev, valuev tried and tried and haye just moved run around him , landing the cleaner shots even though there were hardley any in each round and that was in germany, adrian was the home fighter and i bet its hurt him, i can see how people can tell he lands clean, and makes ancliff miss its right there,

[alexpaterson]

Im so glad Ancliff won, he is a very good journeyman. He always gives 100% and never shrugs a challenge, he deserved a win

[TerribleTerry]

I think Adrian would be best served getting straight back in the gym following this loss - it should give him the kick up the arse to realise you dont win pro boxing fights by posturing and looking slick - you need to put the work in.

Long term this could be the best thing that ever happens to him in terms of ensuring he applies himself for 3 mins of every round and doesnt let a scrappy but fired up kid outhustle him...

I havent yet seen the whole fight (will take a look at it when sligo uploads it) but if Jon and Ian both thought he lost, then that is good enough for me.

I hope Adrian realises that he can sometimes learn more from a loss than 10 easy wins.

He should look to turn this into a positive influence on his career and boxing style.

[alexpaterson]

Is Gonzalez the boy who was with Hatton, the Manchester Mexician? I think I heard something about him before.

[acenabox]

upload the full fight ?

[Pro boxer to be]

Is Gonzalez the boy who was with Hatton, the Manchester Mexician? I think I heard something about him before.

yes he the lad they kicked out the gym after his dad went to train guzman, ancliff lost clear

[Pro boxer to be]

I think Adrian would be best served getting straight back in the gym following this loss - it should give him the kick up the arse to realise you dont win pro boxing fights by posturing and looking slick - you need to put the work in.

Long term this could be the best thing that ever happens to him in terms of ensuring he applies himself for 3 mins of every round and doesnt let a scrappy but fired up kid outhustle him...

I havent yet seen the whole fight (will take a look at it when sligo uploads it) but if Jon and Ian both thought he lost, then that is good enough for me.

I hope Adrian realises that he can sometimes learn more from a loss than 10 easy wins.

He should look to turn this into a positive influence on his career and boxing style.

losing a fight never the best thing that could happen, especially when you never got hit and outboxed the guy, i am lost to see how people cant see sloppy slaps and nothing clean landing as to adrian cleaner more measured shots, adrian made him miss, hard work dont win a fight to so you can say ancliff worked harder than adrian, of course he did cause he was getting nowhere, adrian relaxed and measured, hatton mayweather, hatton full steam ahead wining how many of the first 6? cos he was hiting mayweathers arms and missing, mayweather through very little but was more measured and clean. im just suprised by the fight to be honest, it clear who wins to me, adrian being the home fighter to seems strange

[slapbangwhallop]

I think Adrian would be best served getting straight back in the gym following this loss - it should give him the kick up the arse to realise you dont win pro boxing fights by posturing and looking slick - you need to put the work in.

Long term this could be the best thing that ever happens to him in terms of ensuring he applies himself for 3 mins of every round and doesnt let a scrappy but fired up kid outhustle him...

I havent yet seen the whole fight (will take a look at it when sligo uploads it) but if Jon and Ian both thought he lost, then that is good enough for me.

I hope Adrian realises that he can sometimes learn more from a loss than 10 easy wins.

He should look to turn this into a positive influence on his career and boxing style.

losing a fight never the best thing that could happen, especially when you never got hit and outboxed the guy, i am lost to see how people cant see sloppy slaps and nothing clean landing as to adrian cleaner more measured shots, adrian made him miss, hard work dont win a fight to so you can say ancliff worked harder than adrian, of course he did cause he was getting nowhere, adrian relaxed and measured, hatton mayweather, hatton full steam ahead wining how many of the first 6? cos he was hiting mayweathers arms and missing, mayweather through very little but was more measured and clean. im just suprised by the fight to be honest, it clear who wins to me, adrian being the home fighter to seems strange

Pro boxer to be, are you trained or have you ever been trained by Lee Beard or have any connection with Beard?

I dont think that Adrian lost the fight, but surely you must see that he made it easy for some of the rounds to be scored against him.

[TerribleTerry]

I think Adrian would be best served getting straight back in the gym following this loss - it should give him the kick up the arse to realise you dont win pro boxing fights by posturing and looking slick - you need to put the work in.

Long term this could be the best thing that ever happens to him in terms of ensuring he applies himself for 3 mins of every round and doesnt let a scrappy but fired up kid outhustle him...

I havent yet seen the whole fight (will take a look at it when sligo uploads it) but if Jon and Ian both thought he lost, then that is good enough for me.

I hope Adrian realises that he can sometimes learn more from a loss than 10 easy wins.

He should look to turn this into a positive influence on his career and boxing style.

losing a fight never the best thing that could happen, especially when you never got hit and outboxed the guy, i am lost to see how people cant see sloppy slaps and nothing clean landing as to adrian cleaner more measured shots, adrian made him miss, hard work dont win a fight to so you can say ancliff worked harder than adrian, of course he did cause he was getting nowhere, adrian relaxed and measured, hatton mayweather, hatton full steam ahead wining how many of the first 6? cos he was hiting mayweathers arms and missing, mayweather through very little but was more measured and clean. im just suprised by the fight to be honest, it clear who wins to me, adrian being the home fighter to seems strange

I was trying to look at the positives a young pro could take from an upset loss early in his career.

Obviously it will have hurt his pride but in a 4 round sprint there is little room for error - I am not suggesting for one second that Adrian looks to become the second coming of Henry Armstrong (if only he could be that good! look him up - he was a buzz saw who could really fight) or becomes an unrelenting pressure fighter of any kind.

The fact is though that when you stand off and look to win a fight with better quality punches and defence you need to land clean and often to make sure the result is in no doubt.

According to at least 2 experienced ringside observers, whose opinion I trust, Adrian failed to do this.

When I see the fight in full I will let you know if I change my opinion.

[acenabox]

please upload the full four rounds....pretty please !

[slapbangwhallop]

please upload the full four rounds....pretty please !

I am at work so cant do it right now. Also it takes half an hour to upload each round and I do have a life (even if it is a monotonous meaningless one :( )

[acenabox]

[Pro boxer to be]

Pro boxer to be, are you trained or have you ever been trained by Lee Beard or have any connection with Beard?

I dont think that Adrian lost the fight, but surely you must see that he made it easy for some of the rounds to be scored against him.[/quote]

i have done some work with beard before but have no conection, my veiw is that as you say he did no way loose that fight, he kept his work tidy and deosnt need to land a thousand times clean just land cleaner more priecise shots and ancliff slaping and leaning holding and hitting dont do nout for me, you must see that adrian was calm and measured against an slaping rugged figther and did not get hit by nothing to even score a punch surely you see that to, how can he win rounds without landing clean, when adrian does i think people are negative towards adrians lack of constant punching but he always measured and thinks, what a shame, if boxing is all about what ancliff done cos i although he didnt do alot of punching i thought adrian shows calmness and precision for someone so young and it could hurt him and that makes this boxing sht, how the hell can some one win no matter how much they throw if they dont land, you can be throwing 1000 a round and land sht other guy throws 4 and lands to clean that that he wins , defence is key to boxing adrian showed great defence blocking or moving making him miss, its all wrong the perception on what won or did get done enough of in the fight, i watch and see the same thing adrian control and land clean precise shots , ancliff throw none technical pnuches, landing nothing, and never gets warned for the back of the head shots,

[jonp]

Id like to read the boxing news report on this as most people sitting ringside saw this as a combfortble win for for Ancliff.

You don't need to wait nearly a whole week for the Boxing News report, Jon. Mine's been up since Sunday morning.

Ancliff piss*d it. Even if he was scrappy and/or missing with some, he was actually trying to win the fight and the other chap hardly did a thing.

Dunno how i missed that.

Hope you mentioned the realy good looking guy putting the bucket in for haye.

For the guys discussing the fight thats how close i was to the action lol only the ref was closer thats why i thought i must have missed something you could see from a diffrent angle.

[bulldog10]

Dunno how i missed that.

Hope you mentioned the realy good looking guy putting the bucket in for haye.

For the guys discussing the fight thats how close i was to the action lol only the ref was closer thats why i thought i must have missed something you could see from a diffrent angle.[/quote]
you wasn't watching pal, if you were that close cos I can think you sat that close and saw ancliff land any clean punches, trust me the two rounds show that, haye through like 40 punches in twelve rounds with valuev or something like that and won, valuev pressing the action throwing more but landed shit all, so before you say more work aggression your answer is there, haye stank the place out but was clean with what he through, you don't read a fight right , I can see exactly where Gonzalez feels hard done by he should of got it my opinion, haye boxed great game plan no one said valuev pressed the action more aggresion crap

[lacollier883]

All that matters is how the ref saw the fight and he had Ancliff winning. Adrian must now pick himself up and build from the performance, not the result.

If Adrian wins a British/Euro/world title will anyone really look back at the Ancliff loss, doubt it.

Also the fight must have been close as some reckon it was a draw, some reckon Ancliff, some reckon Gonzalez won. If as some say Adrian was robbed, he won't be the first young boxer who felt that way and I doubt he will be the last. It will be a good test of his mental strength and resolve to see how he comes back from this.

For those that are unhappy with the scoring of the fight, I suggest you go away, become and amateur judge, then ref then make your way into the pro game, after all its easier watching on TV or in the crowd than it is being in the ring

[slapbangwhallop]

Round 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VczXiXpv38Q

[rhino222]

i have just watched the whole fight and have no need to be biased towards either of the 2 guys, i dont know either of them...but

in my opinion gonzales won the fight 39-37, i believe firmly that boxing is about hitting and not being hit, crisp decent shots from gonzales (but for future reference they must be more regular, his work was very sporadic) should have got him the verdict.... but fights are always open for scoring irregularities whne its only the ref scoring a fight, he can only see things from one angle, no action replays etc..its always easier at home !!

ancliff worked hard but landed very few shots, most of his 'arm' punches actually missed or hit gonzales on the arms etc. ancliff won the fight because the referee decreed him to be the 'busier' fighter, gonzales should learn from this and improve/increase his own workrate !!

its not the end of the world for gonzales, he needs to regroup and learn from it, in the long run it might actually turn out to be a good thing.

[jonp]

you wasn't watching pal, if you were that close cos I can think you sat that close and saw ancliff land any clean punches, trust me the two rounds show that, haye through like 40 punches in twelve rounds with valuev or something like that and won, valuev pressing the action throwing more but landed poop all, so before you say more work aggression your answer is there, haye stank the place out but was clean with what he through, you don't read a fight right , I can see exactly where Gonzalez feels hard done by he should of got it my opinion, haye boxed great game plan no one said valuev pressed the action more aggresion crap[/quote]

I dont read a fight right?? You can see on the you tube clips that Ancliff landed clean punches and to be fair i was chatting at ringside and im in pretty good company going for Ancliff,Adrians promoter Dave coldwell , ritchy woodhall, the ref, Ian mcneily, the law form Boxrec all had Ancliff winning it pretty handily.I suppoe none of these guys know how to read a fight right either

to be perfectly honest the youtube clip doesnt realy do either fighter justice as a lot of punches you cant see where they are going because its simply too far away.I suppose the right hand that knocked Adrians head back at 2.20 of the second round didnt land cleanly either?

You have to learn to accept sometimes yr mates lose if they dont put the effort in it happens.

But dont be telling people they dont read a fight right just because it doesnt agree with yr views as it makes you look very biased.

[j ancliff]

Am surprised how much press my fight is getting on here.
I feel i won the fight comfortably enough and would easily give adrian a rematch to put anyones doubts to rest.
The fight waz abit scrappy but i did take it at 10 days notice and waz out enjoying myself in the emerald isle paddys day!

[rhino222]

Am surprised how much press my fight is getting on here.
I feel i won the fight comfortably enough and would easily give adrian a rematch to put anyones doubts to rest.
The fight waz abit scrappy but i did take it at 10 days notice and waz out enjoying myself in the emerald isle paddys day!

good lad, have a rematch, it would sell some tickets and earn you a few bob.

[Pro boxer to be]

Am surprised how much press my fight is getting on here.
I feel i won the fight comfortably enough and would easily give adrian a rematch to put anyones doubts to rest.
The fight waz abit scrappy but i did take it at 10 days notice and waz out enjoying myself in the emerald isle paddys day!

soz lad, you worked realy hard but was being outclassed, you where to scrappy , adrian was more measured and controlled and scored cleaner throughout, boring fight but rematch good idea,

[Coco]

Ancliff won clearly, and you make Gonzales look bad by coming on here and talking nonsense

[d]

Am surprised how much press my fight is getting on here.
I feel i won the fight comfortably enough and would easily give adrian a rematch to put anyones doubts to rest.
The fight waz abit scrappy but i did take it at 10 days notice and waz out enjoying myself in the emerald isle paddys day!

soz lad, you worked realy hard but was being outclassed, you where to scrappy , adrian was more measured and controlled and scored cleaner throughout, boring fight but rematch good idea,

I struggle to understand how one fighter can be outclassed when its a close scrappy fight with not a great deal of quality work.
Outclassed is surely the wrong way to describe it??

[Pro boxer to be]

Am surprised how much press my fight is getting on here.
I feel i won the fight comfortably enough and would easily give adrian a rematch to put anyones doubts to rest.
The fight waz abit scrappy but i did take it at 10 days notice and waz out enjoying myself in the emerald isle paddys day!

soz lad, you worked realy hard but was being outclassed, you where to scrappy , adrian was more measured and controlled and scored cleaner throughout, boring fight but rematch good idea,

I struggle to understand how one fighter can be outclassed when its a close scrappy fight with not a great deal of quality work.
Outclassed is surely the wrong way to describe it??

maybe bit strong, basically it was adrian what made things scrappy, he was cleaner more precise and controlled with his work, which was more noticed by me, when haye fought valuev, ugly boring fight, haye controlled and pace things throwing hardley anything for 12 rounds , valuev pressing all the time, it doesnt matter how much you throw its clean work landing, adrian is better than his performance bar far and wasnt performing to anywhere near himself and was frustrating to be honest but i wouldnt let that go against him, trying hard etc as to someone taking there time etc dont matter its what lands clean, misses etc,