slapbangwhallop wrote:Carlos-Wigan wrote:If you could you would - try if you want.
'whole' is not 'hole'
Am I biting more than usual this week or has someone turned the level of retardation on this forum up to 11??
A. "Simply put - if a fighter who fought and won the British title goes abroad to win the European title then fans are allowed to say 'its a great night for British boxing' without a load of politically bent Irish fans getting their knickers in a twist about it"
You can say it and you wouldnt be wrong per se - that doesnt make him British though does it.
B. "are you saying citizenship has no bearing on the a persons culture?" - I am saying they are two totally different concepts and are not mutually exclusive.
C. "Magee doesn't have to hold a UK passport but he obviously does so the rantings of some of the small minded on here that Magee would give anyone a clout if they were to state he was British to his face cannot be true!" - like i said, Irish fans couldnt give a shiite if fighters from the north consider themselves British or Irish, but what they do expect is that their nationality is respect whichever side of the divide they sit on. My favourite boxer from Ireland at the moment doesnt consider himself Irish in the way that I dont - do I give a shiite? No!
D. "Salford is historically Lancashire - always has been and was for over 600 years until 1974 - if you are trying to place credence on Salford being in the artificial county of 'Greater Manchester' then there will be many who disagree with you, post a letter to an address in 'Salford Lancashire' and yes - it will get there." - Key word in that sentance is HISTORICALLY - Sligo was HISTORICALLY part of the United Kingdom - it aint anymore, just like Salford aint in Lancashire - no matter what some old farts might think.
So - you accept that if a British fan considers Magee's win in Denmark a 'Great night for British boxing' then that is basically correct? Former British title holder who holds a British passport goes on to win EBU title.
I think most people would consider it a great night for Irish boxing also. I think most people can accept that lots of people in this day and age have dual nationalities and cultures.
Like Amir Khan could be seen as British and Pakistani, or Lennox Lewis as British and Canadian, or Trevor McDonald as British and Trinidadian etc etc - the only problem I personally have is when people start to deny the right for others to call themselves 'British' because they don't understand dual cultural identity.
So if Brian Magee, British title holder, British passport holder who has fought most of his career in Great Britain is considered British by boxing fans - it does not diminish his own personal Irish identity.
As for the Lancashire/Greater Manchester debate - Humberside no longer exists, nor does Cleveland nor Avon - they are back to what they used to be! I think if you ask any Mancunian if they consider themselves Lancastrian I think most people would answer yes.
'Post a letter' - sheesh you are embarrassing yourself now!
Yes I can imagine writing letters is a novel concept for you. You ought to try it sometime - its a 'hole' lot of fun!
