Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Panzerfaust]

I once had the pleasure of meating a quite high ranking mobster in eastern europe, his hobby? He judged international amateur contests WC ,EC etc etc

true story

[kikibalt]

that amateur boxing is tenfolds as corrupt as Frankie Carbo .

AMEN to that!!

When I read that I think about Sean O'Grady, who only had about ten amateur fights and turned pro at age 15. The reason? Pat thought that amateur boxing was too political, and Sean would get a fairer shake in the pros!!

I agree with ol' man O'Grady on that....

[THEHAMMER321]

Floyd Maeweather sr. to put it into words is a ''f---ing rocket scientist'', I read an article yesterday where he stated that Shane Mosley has not fought many black fighters, does this mean go out and fight a bunch of black fighters that are bums just for the sake of saying '' look at all the black fighters I fought'', what this clown fails to realize is Shane has fought the best fighters available, he is trying to use an issue in the year 2010 that has no validity it is not 1940 where black fighters like Charley Burley and Jimmy bivins were not given an opportunity based on being black, so if the top fighters in the division you fight are not black I guess according to Floyd sr. you haven't fought anybody.

[kikibalt]

Joey Orbillo

April 7, 2010 by Jim Amato

During the 60’s and the early 1970’s the state of California produced several world class heavyweights. Talented and capable boxers like Eddie Machen, Jerry Quarry, Henry Clark, Thad Spencer, Bill McMurray, Mac Foster and Kenny Norton.

The city of Wilmington was represented by a rough and tough customer by the name of Joey Orbillo. Joey did not have a lot of fights in a career that lasted less then a decade. He did have a lot of memorable wars. He was a game and brawling crowd pleaser. If it was blood and guts you wanted, Joey gave it to you.

He began his career in the mid-1960 and was soon swapping leather with the likes of Henry Clark, Johnny Featherman and future world title challenger Manuel Ramos. Joey scored a big victory in March of 1966 outscoring the highly regarded Tony Doyle.

The win over Doyle set the stage for Joey to invade the top layer of the heavyweight division. He was matched with Eddie Machen. The veteran was among the best in the world. On June 23, 1966 he proved to be a little too much for Joey winning a hotly contested ten round split decision.

Orbillo put up such a fine showing against Machen that he was then matched with the streaking Jerry Quarry. This bout was a matchmaker’s dream and it lived up to all expectations.

The aggressive Orbillo forced the action and the slick Quarry counterpunched beautifully. In the fourth round Quarry stunned Orbillo with a counter hook off the ropes. Jerry then followed with a series of ripping, brain jarring shots that dropped Orbillo. How Joey got up from this knockdown and still fights on was a testament to his sheer guts and will. Veteran trainer Gil Clancy who handled Quarry later in his career called Jerry the hardest puncher he ever had. Gil had once trained George Foreman! Quarry won the decision but Joey’s gameness won the crowd.

Joey’s career slowed down after the loss to Quarry. He had a couple of wins over journeyman Roy “Cookie” Wallace. Then in 1968 he lost to Amos “Big Train” Lincoln.

Finally on November 18, 1971 Joey was halted in five rounds by big Roby Harris.

Orbillo has pretty much been forgotten but anyone who saw his war with Quarry will never forget him

[Rick Farris]

Rick, you are spot on with the assesment of amateur boxing.
Ive often wondered if the mandate requiring headgear in am fights has been a contributing factor to the pro game slipping.
Maybe fighters dont learn certain techniques because of a false sense of security in the ring. Maybe the game started to attract a more safety conscious individual.Guys came along with less of a blood and guts attitude because the headgear was considered protective. I dont know. Things changed in the late eighties though.
Rick, Ive never worn headgear in a fight.Have you? It would be strange I think. In the gym of course we wore it sparring. But in the seventies, I believe it was optional for amateurs.

Brian, I never wore head gear in a fight, just the gym.
Fighters take more punches in head gear due to lack of visability, and as you mention, a false sense of safety.
Head gear does not eliminate head trauma, it does reduce cuts and ear damage, but that is all.
They also do not consider body punching in the scoring.

When I fought in the Nat'l AAU tournament in 1969, the only fighters wearing head gear were those in the armed forces.
They had to wear it as they were considered property of Army or whatever. They gave us who fought Military boxers the option of wearing one ourselves. I chose not to. Later, they required this as we gravitated to International amateur boxing rules.

[Rick Farris]

Joey Orbillo

April 7, 2010 by Jim Amato

During the 60’s and the early 1970’s the state of California produced several world class heavyweights. Talented and capable boxers like Eddie Machen, Jerry Quarry, Henry Clark, Thad Spencer, Bill McMurray, Mac Foster and Kenny Norton.

The city of Wilmington was represented by a rough and tough customer by the name of Joey Orbillo. Joey did not have a lot of fights in a career that lasted less then a decade. He did have a lot of memorable wars. He was a game and brawling crowd pleaser. If it was blood and guts you wanted, Joey gave it to you.

He began his career in the mid-1960 and was soon swapping leather with the likes of Henry Clark, Johnny Featherman and future world title challenger Manuel Ramos. Joey scored a big victory in March of 1966 outscoring the highly regarded Tony Doyle.

The win over Doyle set the stage for Joey to invade the top layer of the heavyweight division. He was matched with Eddie Machen. The veteran was among the best in the world. On June 23, 1966 he proved to be a little too much for Joey winning a hotly contested ten round split decision.

Orbillo put up such a fine showing against Machen that he was then matched with the streaking Jerry Quarry. This bout was a matchmaker’s dream and it lived up to all expectations.

The aggressive Orbillo forced the action and the slick Quarry counterpunched beautifully. In the fourth round Quarry stunned Orbillo with a counter hook off the ropes. Jerry then followed with a series of ripping, brain jarring shots that dropped Orbillo. How Joey got up from this knockdown and still fights on was a testament to his sheer guts and will. Veteran trainer Gil Clancy who handled Quarry later in his career called Jerry the hardest puncher he ever had. Gil had once trained George Foreman! Quarry won the decision but Joey’s gameness won the crowd.

Joey’s career slowed down after the loss to Quarry. He had a couple of wins over journeyman Roy “Cookie” Wallace. Then in 1968 he lost to Amos “Big Train” Lincoln.

Finally on November 18, 1971 Joey was halted in five rounds by big Roby Harris.

Orbillo has pretty much been forgotten but anyone who saw his war with Quarry will never forget him

Orbillo & the Army . . . (He was known as "GI Joe" Orbillo)

What's missing in the story is that Orbillo was an unbeaten fighter when he was drafted.
He came out of Basic Training and was stationed at Fort Ord in Northern Cal.
A good three months away from the ring, he signed to fight a true vet in Eddie Machen.

At his best, Orbillo would have had a tough time defeating this cagey former contender.
He came in to train one week before the match. Machen schooled him over ten rounds.
Jerry Quarry would whip him pretty good. No disgrace, the Army doesn't do boxing careers much good, unless you're Armando Muniz.
Orbillo quit boxing, got involved in kick boxing a few years later.

Frank, do you remember Orbillo from the Junior GG's? He was with Jake Shagrue for years.


-Rick Farris

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Jerry Quarry vs. Joey Orbillo


1966-12-15 : Jerry Quarry 192lbs beat Joey Orbillo 188lbs by UD in round 10 of 10
Location: Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: John Thomas 10-2
Judge: Larry Rozadilla 8-3
Judge: Joey Olmos 11-2

"Jerry Quarry, who came prepared, fought beautifully. He set up Joey Orbillo with a nifty jab and sharp left hook. Then he landed telling blows with a right hand that jarred Orbillo time and again. Quarry did everything but knock out Orbillo in the 4th round. A right hand to the chin dropped the game soldier for a count of nine. Orbillo rose groggily and ran into another terrific right at the bell. The punch sent Orbillo sagging into the ropes and completely out as his handlers caught him and assisted him to his stool. Orbillo managed to rally in the 9th and won that round by a narrow margin. However, Quarry again started to land in the 10th and had Orbillo virtually out on his feet as the fight ended." -Pasadena Star-News

Unofficial scorecards

Pasadena Star-News - 11-2 Quarry
Long Beach Independent - 7-3 Quarry
Post fight comments

"I didn't know where I was until the 8th round." -Joey Orbillo, commenting on the 4th round knockdown.
"I'd fight Joe Frazier in the morning if they can get him for me. I boxed with him in the gym and he comes in all the time. I'd plunk him." -Jerry Quarry



Attendance - 10,000
Gate - $48,000.00
Purses - Both Quarry and Orbillo received $12,000 apiece

[kikibalt]

Joey Orbillo

April 7, 2010 by Jim Amato

During the 60’s and the early 1970’s the state of California produced several world class heavyweights. Talented and capable boxers like Eddie Machen, Jerry Quarry, Henry Clark, Thad Spencer, Bill McMurray, Mac Foster and Kenny Norton.

The city of Wilmington was represented by a rough and tough customer by the name of Joey Orbillo. Joey did not have a lot of fights in a career that lasted less then a decade. He did have a lot of memorable wars. He was a game and brawling crowd pleaser. If it was blood and guts you wanted, Joey gave it to you.

He began his career in the mid-1960 and was soon swapping leather with the likes of Henry Clark, Johnny Featherman and future world title challenger Manuel Ramos. Joey scored a big victory in March of 1966 outscoring the highly regarded Tony Doyle.

The win over Doyle set the stage for Joey to invade the top layer of the heavyweight division. He was matched with Eddie Machen. The veteran was among the best in the world. On June 23, 1966 he proved to be a little too much for Joey winning a hotly contested ten round split decision.

Orbillo put up such a fine showing against Machen that he was then matched with the streaking Jerry Quarry. This bout was a matchmaker’s dream and it lived up to all expectations.

The aggressive Orbillo forced the action and the slick Quarry counterpunched beautifully. In the fourth round Quarry stunned Orbillo with a counter hook off the ropes. Jerry then followed with a series of ripping, brain jarring shots that dropped Orbillo. How Joey got up from this knockdown and still fights on was a testament to his sheer guts and will. Veteran trainer Gil Clancy who handled Quarry later in his career called Jerry the hardest puncher he ever had. Gil had once trained George Foreman! Quarry won the decision but Joey’s gameness won the crowd.

Joey’s career slowed down after the loss to Quarry. He had a couple of wins over journeyman Roy “Cookie” Wallace. Then in 1968 he lost to Amos “Big Train” Lincoln.

Finally on November 18, 1971 Joey was halted in five rounds by big Roby Harris.

Orbillo has pretty much been forgotten but anyone who saw his war with Quarry will never forget him

Orbillo & the Army . . . (He was known as "GI Joe" Orbillo)

What's missing in the story is that Orbillo was an unbeaten fighter when he was drafted.
He came out of Basic Training and was stationed at Fort Ord in Northern Cal.
A good three months away from the ring, he signed to fight a true vet in Eddie Machen.

At his best, Orbillo would have had a tough time defeating this cagey former contender.
He came in to train one week before the match. Machen schooled him over ten rounds.
Jerry Quarry would whip him pretty good. No disgrace, the Army doesn't do boxing careers much good, unless you're Armando Muniz.
Orbillo quit boxing, got involved in kick boxing a few years later.

Frank, do you remember Orbillo from the Junior GG's? He was with Jake Shagrue for years.


-Rick Farris

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Jerry Quarry vs. Joey Orbillo


1966-12-15 : Jerry Quarry 192lbs beat Joey Orbillo 188lbs by UD in round 10 of 10
Location: Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: John Thomas 10-2
Judge: Larry Rozadilla 8-3
Judge: Joey Olmos 11-2

"Jerry Quarry, who came prepared, fought beautifully. He set up Joey Orbillo with a nifty jab and sharp left hook. Then he landed telling blows with a right hand that jarred Orbillo time and again. Quarry did everything but knock out Orbillo in the 4th round. A right hand to the chin dropped the game soldier for a count of nine. Orbillo rose groggily and ran into another terrific right at the bell. The punch sent Orbillo sagging into the ropes and completely out as his handlers caught him and assisted him to his stool. Orbillo managed to rally in the 9th and won that round by a narrow margin. However, Quarry again started to land in the 10th and had Orbillo virtually out on his feet as the fight ended." -Pasadena Star-News

Unofficial scorecards

Pasadena Star-News - 11-2 Quarry
Long Beach Independent - 7-3 Quarry
Post fight comments

"I didn't know where I was until the 8th round." -Joey Orbillo, commenting on the 4th round knockdown.
"I'd fight Joe Frazier in the morning if they can get him for me. I boxed with him in the gym and he comes in all the time. I'd plunk him." -Jerry Quarry



Attendance - 10,000
Gate - $48,000.00
Purses - Both Quarry and Orbillo received $12,000 apiece

Yes Rick, I remember Orbillo from the Jr's. Orbillo only trained two week for the Quarry bout, he was on a two week leave from the army..

[Rick Farris]

Joey Orbillo

April 7, 2010 by Jim Amato

During the 60’s and the early 1970’s the state of California produced several world class heavyweights. Talented and capable boxers like Eddie Machen, Jerry Quarry, Henry Clark, Thad Spencer, Bill McMurray, Mac Foster and Kenny Norton.

The city of Wilmington was represented by a rough and tough customer by the name of Joey Orbillo. Joey did not have a lot of fights in a career that lasted less then a decade. He did have a lot of memorable wars. He was a game and brawling crowd pleaser. If it was blood and guts you wanted, Joey gave it to you.

He began his career in the mid-1960 and was soon swapping leather with the likes of Henry Clark, Johnny Featherman and future world title challenger Manuel Ramos. Joey scored a big victory in March of 1966 outscoring the highly regarded Tony Doyle.

The win over Doyle set the stage for Joey to invade the top layer of the heavyweight division. He was matched with Eddie Machen. The veteran was among the best in the world. On June 23, 1966 he proved to be a little too much for Joey winning a hotly contested ten round split decision.

Orbillo put up such a fine showing against Machen that he was then matched with the streaking Jerry Quarry. This bout was a matchmaker’s dream and it lived up to all expectations.

The aggressive Orbillo forced the action and the slick Quarry counterpunched beautifully. In the fourth round Quarry stunned Orbillo with a counter hook off the ropes. Jerry then followed with a series of ripping, brain jarring shots that dropped Orbillo. How Joey got up from this knockdown and still fights on was a testament to his sheer guts and will. Veteran trainer Gil Clancy who handled Quarry later in his career called Jerry the hardest puncher he ever had. Gil had once trained George Foreman! Quarry won the decision but Joey’s gameness won the crowd.

Joey’s career slowed down after the loss to Quarry. He had a couple of wins over journeyman Roy “Cookie” Wallace. Then in 1968 he lost to Amos “Big Train” Lincoln.

Finally on November 18, 1971 Joey was halted in five rounds by big Roby Harris.

Orbillo has pretty much been forgotten but anyone who saw his war with Quarry will never forget him

Orbillo & the Army . . . (He was known as "GI Joe" Orbillo)

What's missing in the story is that Orbillo was an unbeaten fighter when he was drafted.
He came out of Basic Training and was stationed at Fort Ord in Northern Cal.
A good three months away from the ring, he signed to fight a true vet in Eddie Machen.

At his best, Orbillo would have had a tough time defeating this cagey former contender.
He came in to train one week before the match. Machen schooled him over ten rounds.
Jerry Quarry would whip him pretty good. No disgrace, the Army doesn't do boxing careers much good, unless you're Armando Muniz.
Orbillo quit boxing, got involved in kick boxing a few years later.

Frank, do you remember Orbillo from the Junior GG's? He was with Jake Shagrue for years.


-Rick Farris

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Jerry Quarry vs. Joey Orbillo


1966-12-15 : Jerry Quarry 192lbs beat Joey Orbillo 188lbs by UD in round 10 of 10
Location: Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: John Thomas 10-2
Judge: Larry Rozadilla 8-3
Judge: Joey Olmos 11-2

"Jerry Quarry, who came prepared, fought beautifully. He set up Joey Orbillo with a nifty jab and sharp left hook. Then he landed telling blows with a right hand that jarred Orbillo time and again. Quarry did everything but knock out Orbillo in the 4th round. A right hand to the chin dropped the game soldier for a count of nine. Orbillo rose groggily and ran into another terrific right at the bell. The punch sent Orbillo sagging into the ropes and completely out as his handlers caught him and assisted him to his stool. Orbillo managed to rally in the 9th and won that round by a narrow margin. However, Quarry again started to land in the 10th and had Orbillo virtually out on his feet as the fight ended." -Pasadena Star-News

Unofficial scorecards

Pasadena Star-News - 11-2 Quarry
Long Beach Independent - 7-3 Quarry
Post fight comments

"I didn't know where I was until the 8th round." -Joey Orbillo, commenting on the 4th round knockdown.
"I'd fight Joe Frazier in the morning if they can get him for me. I boxed with him in the gym and he comes in all the time. I'd plunk him." -Jerry Quarry



Attendance - 10,000
Gate - $48,000.00
Purses - Both Quarry and Orbillo received $12,000 apiece

Yes Rick, I remember Orbillo from the Jr's. Orbillo only trained two week for the Quarry bout, he was on a two week leave from the army..

Orbillo's answering his draft notice altered his career. I don't believe he'd have lasted long in the era of Ali & Frazier, however, the Army minimized his career. I remember him a fast, hard hitting, small heavyweight, good boxing skills. He played football in high school, attended Harbor College. Guys like Orbillo would have made great cruiserweights.

[Expug]

Floyd Maeweather sr. to put it into words is a ''f---ing rocket scientist'', I read an article yesterday where he stated that Shane Mosley has not fought many black fighters, does this mean go out and fight a bunch of black fighters that are bums just for the sake of saying '' look at all the black fighters I fought'', what this clown fails to realize is Shane has fought the best fighters available, he is trying to use an issue in the year 2010 that has no validity it is not 1940 where black fighters like Charley Burley and Jimmy bivins were not given an opportunity based on being black, so if the top fighters in the division you fight are not black I guess according to Floyd sr. you haven't fought anybody.

The thing about this is, often time athletes spout off with insane crap in the heat of the moment. After a game, fight, whatever.Emotions run high and sometimes you take it with a grain of salt.
In Mayweathers case however, I am 100% sure that he really believes the bullsh.t that comes out of his fu..in pie hole.

[ramsey75]

Btw, Bobby Rizo is the brother-law of Albert Davila.
Albert is married to Bobby's sister.

[kikibalt]

Btw, Bobby Rizo is the brother-law of Albert Davila.
Albert is married to Bobby's sister.

Yes, I known that for years....

[THEHAMMER321]

Danny Carbajal, brother of boxing great Michael Carbajal, is going to prison for theft
By Paul Rubin

Published on February 26, 2008 at 4:44pmMichael Carbajal, Phoenix's greatest boxing champion, sat on his front porch on East Fillmore Street, watching the world go by.

He looked healthier and sounded better than he has in years. Though his battle with alcoholism has been no secret, the champ, now 40, says he's been off the sauce for months and hopes to keep it that way.

It was one day before he was to square off against his most unlikely of opponents, his big brother, former trainer/manager, financial guru, and best friend Danny.

Danny was scheduled to appear for sentencing in Maricopa County Superior Court after pleading guilty to three felonies stemming from his theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement accounts and properties from his late ex-wife, Sally. ("Family Secrets," June 23, 2005, and "Brother's Keeper," November 1, 2007).

The couple's adult daughters, Josephine and Celia, conspired with Danny in the theft and earlier pleaded guilty to lesser felonies. Neither served jail time.

As Michael sipped a Gatorade on his porch and quietly contemplated aloud what he was going to tell the judge, Danny drove by.

He didn't look over at Michael and slowed down only briefly when he reached Carbajal's Ninth Street Gym, a converted church about 100 yards down and across the street.

The gym once seemed to symbolize the alleged unity of this gritty Latino clan.

"He don't scare me no more," Michael said of his 57-year-old brother. "He done what he done."

Michael said he was planning to ask Judge Andrew Klein to sentence Danny to the maximum prison term of more than 10 years behind bars.

That once would have seemed unthinkable to those who knew how tight the brothers used to be, how Danny had molded Michael from a scrawny street kid into a beloved five-time world champion and Hall of Famer.

But greed wound up driving Danny Carbajal more than teaching his little brother how to throw a nasty left hook.

Michael, who earned at least $7 million in the ring, says he's broke and financially dependent on his girlfriend of more than a year, Laura Hall.

According to court records, Phoenix police now are investigating Danny and others for stealing Michael's money, and for embezzling more than $1 million in IRA funds from the Carbajal family's unsuspecting matriarch, Mary.

Danny also remains the prime suspect in the unsolved February 25, 2005 shooting murders of ex-wife Sally and her boyfriend Gerry Best.

The murders occurred in Phoenix three days before Danny was to do battle with Sally at a divorce trial that would have revealed his financial scams.

Judge Klein's courtroom was packed on the morning of February 21.

Wearing his usual dark glasses, Danny sat with his attorney and awaited his legal fate.

Deputy County Attorney Annielaurie Van Wie asked the judge to impose a five-year prison sentence, the average term.

"Michael made the Carbajal name in this community," she said, gesturing at those in attendance supporting a probation term for Danny. "Without Michael, Danny would not be the community icon that all these people think he is . . . Now he knows his brother is in dire straits, and he turns his back on his brother."

Former boxer Ruben Castillo, who had flown in from California for the sentencing, told Judge Klein that "Michael trusted in Danny more than he trusts anyone in the world. I don't know this Danny Carbajal . . . this malicious, devastating person he has come to be. He taught his kids how to steal. You don't teach your kids to do that."

Usually a man of few words, Michael spoke passionately for several minutes.

"I would have given him anything. Anything!" Michael said, as he pleaded with Judge Klein to allow him to turn and address Danny directly.

The judge told Michael that he could speak to Danny, who was sitting a few feet away, but could not look at him.

"All I said to you, Danny, was, 'Take [financial] care of my mother, first of all, and take care of my kids first of all,'" Michael said.

Michael told Judge Klein that their late father, Manuel, warned him in the early 1990s that Danny had been stealing from him, but he didn't want to believe it.

Michael balled up his fists and kind of danced around the speaker's podium, not unlike when he used to try to dodge opponents' punches.

He said he had asked Danny several times to explain where his money and real estate assets had gone.

"I have no assets," Michael said. "He left me broke, with nothing, Judge! Just like he left Sally.

"I don't got nothing! All that hard work! I want you to feel this, Danny. My kids, Danny! Oh, I wish I could look at you. You're my brother, and I love you. But I don't love what you did. Judge, he deserves the max. He don't care about nobody but himself and his kids. He's vicious.

"To this day, I'm the same person as I always was," he said. "I'm gonna rise again. And I'm not gonna let you destroy me, Danny!"

Danny Carbajal's defense attorney, Mark Berardoni, told the judge about the "groundswell" of support for Danny, including letters from "community leaders" like Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox.

Berardoni also noted that Danny suffers from diabetes and that his health is deteriorating.

Danny's two daughters were among about a dozen supporters who urged the judge to impose probation.

His youngest daughter, Celia, called her uncle Michael "a belligerent drunk" who is incapable of caring for himself, financially or otherwise. She suggested that whatever Danny had done was for the greater good.

As for her slain mother, Celia said, "I loved my mom to death, and I just miss her."

Celia's older sister, Josephine, blamed their mother's alcoholism for the subsequent intra-familial thefts.

"I'm not only my dad's daughter, but I'm his best friend," Josephine said, adding that she had decided to break the law on her own, not because Danny had told her to.

Danny Carbajal spoke briefly.

"I'm here because I broke the law," he told the judge, "and I apologize for that."

Judge Klein spoke about Danny's positive qualities but said his story, unfortunately, didn't stop there.

Klein said the facts of the case were "very disturbing," a family tragedy that included "greed and a pattern of wrongdoing spread out over three years . . . a sophisticated scheme."

Speaking slowly, the judge referred to Sally's homicide, saying it had "inexplicably" occurred shortly before her ugly divorce trial with Danny was set to start.

Klein told Danny he couldn't consider Sally's murder for this sentencing because "you have not been charged with that crime."

But the judge's powerful words hung heavy over the courtroom as a Phoenix homicide detective took notes in the back row.

Finally, he ordered Danny to serve 54 months in prison, six months less than the five years requested by prosecutor Van Wie. He must serve at least 3 1/2 years before he is eligible for parole.

As his two daughters looked on, Danny Carabajal was handcuffed and taken into custody by sheriff's deputies.

I must have missed this story in the news a few years ago but a very sad thing when family does this, is there an update to this story curious if he got convicted of killing his wife

[kikibalt]

Danny Carbajal, brother of boxing great Michael Carbajal, is going to prison for theft
By Paul Rubin

Published on February 26, 2008 at 4:44pmMichael Carbajal, Phoenix's greatest boxing champion, sat on his front porch on East Fillmore Street, watching the world go by.

He looked healthier and sounded better than he has in years. Though his battle with alcoholism has been no secret, the champ, now 40, says he's been off the sauce for months and hopes to keep it that way.

It was one day before he was to square off against his most unlikely of opponents, his big brother, former trainer/manager, financial guru, and best friend Danny.

Danny was scheduled to appear for sentencing in Maricopa County Superior Court after pleading guilty to three felonies stemming from his theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars in retirement accounts and properties from his late ex-wife, Sally. ("Family Secrets," June 23, 2005, and "Brother's Keeper," November 1, 2007).

The couple's adult daughters, Josephine and Celia, conspired with Danny in the theft and earlier pleaded guilty to lesser felonies. Neither served jail time.

As Michael sipped a Gatorade on his porch and quietly contemplated aloud what he was going to tell the judge, Danny drove by.

He didn't look over at Michael and slowed down only briefly when he reached Carbajal's Ninth Street Gym, a converted church about 100 yards down and across the street.

The gym once seemed to symbolize the alleged unity of this gritty Latino clan.

"He don't scare me no more," Michael said of his 57-year-old brother. "He done what he done."

Michael said he was planning to ask Judge Andrew Klein to sentence Danny to the maximum prison term of more than 10 years behind bars.

That once would have seemed unthinkable to those who knew how tight the brothers used to be, how Danny had molded Michael from a scrawny street kid into a beloved five-time world champion and Hall of Famer.

But greed wound up driving Danny Carbajal more than teaching his little brother how to throw a nasty left hook.

Michael, who earned at least $7 million in the ring, says he's broke and financially dependent on his girlfriend of more than a year, Laura Hall.

According to court records, Phoenix police now are investigating Danny and others for stealing Michael's money, and for embezzling more than $1 million in IRA funds from the Carbajal family's unsuspecting matriarch, Mary.

Danny also remains the prime suspect in the unsolved February 25, 2005 shooting murders of ex-wife Sally and her boyfriend Gerry Best.

The murders occurred in Phoenix three days before Danny was to do battle with Sally at a divorce trial that would have revealed his financial scams.

Judge Klein's courtroom was packed on the morning of February 21.

Wearing his usual dark glasses, Danny sat with his attorney and awaited his legal fate.

Deputy County Attorney Annielaurie Van Wie asked the judge to impose a five-year prison sentence, the average term.

"Michael made the Carbajal name in this community," she said, gesturing at those in attendance supporting a probation term for Danny. "Without Michael, Danny would not be the community icon that all these people think he is . . . Now he knows his brother is in dire straits, and he turns his back on his brother."

Former boxer Ruben Castillo, who had flown in from California for the sentencing, told Judge Klein that "Michael trusted in Danny more than he trusts anyone in the world. I don't know this Danny Carbajal . . . this malicious, devastating person he has come to be. He taught his kids how to steal. You don't teach your kids to do that."

Usually a man of few words, Michael spoke passionately for several minutes.

"I would have given him anything. Anything!" Michael said, as he pleaded with Judge Klein to allow him to turn and address Danny directly.

The judge told Michael that he could speak to Danny, who was sitting a few feet away, but could not look at him.

"All I said to you, Danny, was, 'Take [financial] care of my mother, first of all, and take care of my kids first of all,'" Michael said.

Michael told Judge Klein that their late father, Manuel, warned him in the early 1990s that Danny had been stealing from him, but he didn't want to believe it.

Michael balled up his fists and kind of danced around the speaker's podium, not unlike when he used to try to dodge opponents' punches.

He said he had asked Danny several times to explain where his money and real estate assets had gone.

"I have no assets," Michael said. "He left me broke, with nothing, Judge! Just like he left Sally.

"I don't got nothing! All that hard work! I want you to feel this, Danny. My kids, Danny! Oh, I wish I could look at you. You're my brother, and I love you. But I don't love what you did. Judge, he deserves the max. He don't care about nobody but himself and his kids. He's vicious.

"To this day, I'm the same person as I always was," he said. "I'm gonna rise again. And I'm not gonna let you destroy me, Danny!"

Danny Carbajal's defense attorney, Mark Berardoni, told the judge about the "groundswell" of support for Danny, including letters from "community leaders" like Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox.

Berardoni also noted that Danny suffers from diabetes and that his health is deteriorating.

Danny's two daughters were among about a dozen supporters who urged the judge to impose probation.

His youngest daughter, Celia, called her uncle Michael "a belligerent drunk" who is incapable of caring for himself, financially or otherwise. She suggested that whatever Danny had done was for the greater good.

As for her slain mother, Celia said, "I loved my mom to death, and I just miss her."

Celia's older sister, Josephine, blamed their mother's alcoholism for the subsequent intra-familial thefts.

"I'm not only my dad's daughter, but I'm his best friend," Josephine said, adding that she had decided to break the law on her own, not because Danny had told her to.

Danny Carbajal spoke briefly.

"I'm here because I broke the law," he told the judge, "and I apologize for that."

Judge Klein spoke about Danny's positive qualities but said his story, unfortunately, didn't stop there.

Klein said the facts of the case were "very disturbing," a family tragedy that included "greed and a pattern of wrongdoing spread out over three years . . . a sophisticated scheme."

Speaking slowly, the judge referred to Sally's homicide, saying it had "inexplicably" occurred shortly before her ugly divorce trial with Danny was set to start.

Klein told Danny he couldn't consider Sally's murder for this sentencing because "you have not been charged with that crime."

But the judge's powerful words hung heavy over the courtroom as a Phoenix homicide detective took notes in the back row.

Finally, he ordered Danny to serve 54 months in prison, six months less than the five years requested by prosecutor Van Wie. He must serve at least 3 1/2 years before he is eligible for parole.

As his two daughters looked on, Danny Carabajal was handcuffed and taken into custody by sheriff's deputies.

I must have missed this story in the news a few years ago but a very sad thing when family does this, is there an update to this story curious if he got convicted of killing his wife

No, he haven't been convicted of killing his wife, as far as I know he is still in prison....

[Chuck1052]

As far as I am concerned, if a champion and his opponent fight while under the weight limit, the champion's title is up for grabs no matter how many rounds the bout is scheduled for. During the middle 1920s, a number states, notably Pennsylvania and Illinois, mandated that bouts could not be scheduled for more than ten rounds. That is why each of the two bouts between Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey was scheduled for ten rounds. If the bouts took place in New York at the time, each of them would be scheduled for fifteen rounds.

By the way, Tunney was apprehensive about what would happen if his first bout with Dempsey took place in New Jersey, a state which had no-decision bouts exclusively at the time. That would mean if a bout under such senario went the distance, Dempsey would have retained the heavyweight title even if he lost every round by a huge margin. Moreover, Tunney was sure that he could win a decision in a bout with Dempsey, but was uncertain about his chances of stopping him.

- Chuck Johnston

[THEHAMMER321]

Rog,

We have to talk to Randy on that New Mexico chile.

Funny. Anytime anyone mentions Randy,I think of food.

I am sure glad I found this post,Randy I gotta agree

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank, I'm glad you posted that article on John Molina. I'm also glad to hear that Molina did not get to easy of an opponent. I like this kid. He seems to be someone that has a real future, seems to have the right stuff. Tall, rangy and has a good jab, and with a 75% punch ratio, he can bang. He has yet to face any serious threat but that will be coming soon. Molina is from La Puente and until recently, was trained by Ben Lira. He is now being handled by the Goosen's. Molina seems to have his head screwed on right. I hope he stays that way. He has lots of potential.

From The Ring Blog:Posted Feb. 3, 2009 at 11:20pm
By Doug Fische

New Faces: John Molina
Vital Statistics:

Age: 26
Hometown: Covina, Calif.
Weight class: lightweight
Height / reach: 5-10½ / 72 inches
Amateur record: 22-2 (17 RSC)
Turned pro: 2006
Pro record: 14-0 (10 knockouts)
Trainer: Joe Goossen
Manager: John Molina Sr. and Ben Lira
Promoter: Goossen Tutor

Best night of pro career: Fourth-round stoppage of tough Jose Alfredo Lugo on May 23 of last year. Lugo absorbed Molina’s punches for three rounds before mounting a fierce attack at the start of the fourth. Molina took Lugo’s best shots and came back with a vicious salvo of his own that set up a brutal right-hand punch that knocked the rugged journeyman out cold. Lugo has since earned a draw with Mike Dallas Jr. (5-0) and gone the distance with hard-hitting amateur stars Danny Garcia (9-0) and Adrien Broner (5-0).

Worst night of pro career: Struggled to a close six-round decision over Carlos Madrid on March 28 of last year. The heavier journeyman matched Molina’s strength on the inside while applying constant pressure and crafty infighting.

Next fight: Faces Joshua Allotey (15-6, 13 KOs) Friday, Feb. 6, in a scheduled eight-round bout at The Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino in Lemoore, Calif., in the Showtime-televised co-feature of “SHOBOX: The Next Generation” (11 p.m. ET/PT).

Why he’ll be a contender: Former high school wrestling standout is a natural athlete with tremendous physical strength, knockout power in both hands and the self-confidence that comes with such attributes and a Spartan work ethic. An affable personality outside of the ring, his aggressive style translates to fan-friendly fights that often end in spectacular knockouts.

Why he’s a pretender: Seek-and-destroy mentality sometimes leads to recklessness in the ring. The natural puncher often forgoes his jab and forgets technique while in pursuit of the knockout. Limited amateur background and average hand and foot speed contribute to his difficulty with quick boxers who utilize lateral movement.

Story lines: Although boxing was in his blood (both his father and grandfather were amateur fighters), Molina got a late start in the sport, instead focusing his teen years on high school athletics. The tall, rangy lightweight was a four-year varsity letterman in both wrestling and track and field at Charter Oak High School in Covina, Calif. Molina competed on the state level in wrestling, which he says helped foster the discipline that aided him during his brief amateur boxing career after high school. He compiled a 22-2 record en route to winning state Golden Gloves titles (’02 and ’03) and the national Blue & Gold tournament (’04). As an amateur, he was sponsored by Southern California Teamsters, whose members and families have given him loyal fan support during his pro career, often packing club venues to root for him. Says Dan Goossen: “My brother Joe and my son Craig told me John has star potential, and I saw what they were talking about the first time I watched him fight. He’s an all-action fighter. But I also signed him on his reputation for being a good but charismatic young man. He’s outgoing, witty and engaging. I think Ben Lira and his father gave him a good foundation as a fighter and a person.” Molina is not related to former junior lightweight titleholder John John Molina.

Fight-by-fight record

2006
March 31 Lestor Balmores KO 2
May 5 Ignacio Flores KO 1
July 14 Ramiro Torres KO 1
Sept. 14 Julio Chavez UD 4
Nov. 16 Odilon Rivera TKO 1

2007
Jan. 27 Rudy Paz TKO 1
June 22 Marcus Brashears UD 6
Aug. 18 Ron Boyd TKO1
Dec. 28 Eddie Brooks KO 2

2008
Feb. 15 Baladan Trevizo TKO 2
March 28 Carlos Madrid UD 6
May 23 Jose A. Lugo TKO 4
Sept. 5 Eddie Brooks UD 6
Nov. 11 Fernando Lizarraga RTD 5


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Anybody know if this is John Molina's son I am referring to the one who fought in the 80s and 90s from Puerto Rico AKA ''john john''

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Did anyone catch the Andre Berto fight last night? I don't know about you guys but after watching that I don't see the world beater that the HBO team seems to fawn over. If Quintana had any kind of a punch I think he would have got him out of there. Maybe it was Quintana's southpaw style that befuddled him but I'm not seeing the superstar at all. I think that 1st round "slip" was a knockdown scored by Quintana, I tired of Berto's ceasless whining about rabbit punches when it was obvious he was being struck on the side not the back of the head. I think he throws a lot of "shoeshine" blows complete with audio and I don't think he's that difficult to hit. Moreover, I hate seeing the ref and the announcing team bending over backwards for one fighter, which they apparently did. A feel good story with the Haiti thing and all is one thing, but there is another fighter in there. I think the stoppage was good, but I think Berto is lucky he didn't fight Mosley.

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[Rick Farris]

Did anyone catch the Andre Berto fight last night? I don't know about you guys but after watching that I don't see the world beater that the HBO team seems to fawn over. If Quintana had any kind of a punch I think he would have got him out of there. Maybe it was Quintana's southpaw style that befuddled him but I'm not seeing the superstar at all. I think that 1st round "slip" was a knockdown scored by Quintana, I tired of Berto's ceasless whining about rabbit punches when it was obvious he was being struck on the side not the back of the head. I think he throws a lot of "shoeshine" blows complete with audio and I don't think he's that difficult to hit. Moreover, I hate seeing the ref and the announcing team bending over backwards for one fighter, which they apparently did. A feel good story with the Haiti thing and all is one thing, but there is another fighter in there. I think the stoppage was good, but I think Berto is lucky he didn't fight Mosley.

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Dan, you're right, he's lucky he was in with Quintana and not Mosely. Berto is very limited. Of course, the HBO crew is blowing smoke because they want to "create" attractions. Berto isn't the worst boxer in the ring today, but I'm tired of Jim Lampley and his words. Lampley is a self-centered A-hole to those who know him, and he should not be calling fights from ringside, neither should Larry Merchant. In my mind, the best ringside color man is Sean O'Grady. Why do they shove these smiling phonies down out throats. It's hard for me to even sit thru fights today. I used to laugh at Mel Epstein. When I was in my 20's and would watch a fight with Mel, he'd make me turn off the sound so he didn't have to listen to Howard Cosell, another guy who did not know boxing. The only thing that Cosell brought to boxing was his humorous exchanges with Ali. Aside from that, he was an incipid bore.

-Rick Farris

[kikibalt]

Did anyone catch the Andre Berto fight last night? I don't know about you guys but after watching that I don't see the world beater that the HBO team seems to fawn over. If Quintana had any kind of a punch I think he would have got him out of there. Maybe it was Quintana's southpaw style that befuddled him but I'm not seeing the superstar at all. I think that 1st round "slip" was a knockdown scored by Quintana, I tired of Berto's ceasless whining about rabbit punches when it was obvious he was being struck on the side not the back of the head. I think he throws a lot of "shoeshine" blows complete with audio and I don't think he's that difficult to hit. Moreover, I hate seeing the ref and the announcing team bending over backwards for one fighter, which they apparently did. A feel good story with the Haiti thing and all is one thing, but there is another fighter in there. I think the stoppage was good, but I think Berto is lucky he didn't fight Mosley.

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Dan...I seen the fight last night and I agree with everything you said about Berto, as I too see nothing special about him, imo, Mosley, Margarito, Paqman and PBF would eat him up, with these guys he won't be able to get away with his, stand up straight, chin up in the air style, I don't know about Cotto, as I see him as damage goods.

[Rick Farris]

Holyfield Wins Heavyweight title . . .

It shows how bad the competition is today when a 47-year-old man can claim a piece of the heavyweight title. He stopped a 41-year-old Frans Botha last night. I was never a big fan of Holyfield during the era of Tyson. However, Holyfield is the closest thing to a real boxer in the heavyweight division. He's a shot fighter, and his mental state is questionable. I usually hate to see a fighter box past his best years, but today, there isn't much better. Now, 26 years after I sat in the L.A. Sports Arena, the day that Holyfield was disqualified from the '84 Olympics, I'm somewat of a fan. When Tyson and Holy fought, Mike was condemned for biting Evanders ear off, in my opinion, the dirty bastid had it coming. I believe in fighting "dirt with dirt", especially when you have a crooked ref like Mills Lane, whom Tyson's original handlers would have never let officiate the bout. Now the Heavyweight division is really laughable. Watch the Eastern Europe jokers avoid Evander. I hope if ever does fight one of the Lurch Brothers, he brings every dirty trick he knows into the ring.


-Rick Farris

[kikibalt]

Holyfield Wins Heavyweight title . . .

It shows how bad the competition is today when a 47-year-old man can claim a piece of the heavyweight title. He stopped a 41-year-old Frans Botha last night. I was never a big fan of Holyfield during the era of Tyson. However, Holyfield is the closest thing to a real boxer in the heavyweight division. He's a shot fighter, and his mental state is questionable. I usually hate to see a fighter box past his best years, but today, there isn't much better. Now, 26 years after I sat in the L.A. Sports Arena, the day that Holyfield was disqualified from the '84 Olympics, I'm somewat of a fan. When Tyson and Holy fought, Mike was condemned for biting Evanders ear off, in my opinion, the dirty bastid had it coming. I believe in fighting "dirt with dirt", especially when you have a crooked ref like Mills Lane, whom Tyson's original handlers would have never let officiate the bout. Now the Heavyweight division is really laughable. Watch the Eastern Europe jokers avoid Evander. I hope if ever does fight one of the Lurch Brothers, he brings every dirty trick he knows into the ring.


-Rick Farris

Sad state of affair, the heavyweights...

[THEHAMMER321]

Did anyone catch the Andre Berto fight last night? I don't know about you guys but after watching that I don't see the world beater that the HBO team seems to fawn over. If Quintana had any kind of a punch I think he would have got him out of there. Maybe it was Quintana's southpaw style that befuddled him but I'm not seeing the superstar at all. I think that 1st round "slip" was a knockdown scored by Quintana, I tired of Berto's ceasless whining about rabbit punches when it was obvious he was being struck on the side not the back of the head. I think he throws a lot of "shoeshine" blows complete with audio and I don't think he's that difficult to hit. Moreover, I hate seeing the ref and the announcing team bending over backwards for one fighter, which they apparently did. A feel good story with the Haiti thing and all is one thing, but there is another fighter in there. I think the stoppage was good, but I think Berto is lucky he didn't fight Mosley.

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Dan, you're right, he's lucky he was in with Quintana and not Mosely. Berto is very limited. Of course, the HBO crew is blowing smoke because they want to "create" attractions. Berto isn't the worst boxer in the ring today, but I'm tired of Jim Lampley and his words. Lampley is a self-centered A-hole to those who know him, and he should not be calling fights from ringside, neither should Larry Merchant. In my mind, the best ringside color man is Sean O'Grady. Why do they shove these smiling phonies down out throats. It's hard for me to even sit thru fights today. I used to laugh at Mel Epstein. When I was in my 20's and would watch a fight with Mel, he'd make me turn off the sound so he didn't have to listen to Howard Cosell, another guy who did not know boxing. The only thing that Cosell brought to boxing was his humorous exchanges with Ali. Aside from that, he was an incipid bore.

-Rick Farris

Berto for some reason reminds me of heavy Bruce Seldon, I wonder if he has Bruce's weak chin,I also think he is very limited, and that opinion has nothing to do with last night's fight, also can't stand ''THE RING MASTER'' Michael Buffer his ego is way to big for me,Lampley I will say also thinks the world revolves around him, but the guy who really strikes me as a mr know it all is Max Kellerman.

[Rick Farris]

Did anyone catch the Andre Berto fight last night? I don't know about you guys but after watching that I don't see the world beater that the HBO team seems to fawn over. If Quintana had any kind of a punch I think he would have got him out of there. Maybe it was Quintana's southpaw style that befuddled him but I'm not seeing the superstar at all. I think that 1st round "slip" was a knockdown scored by Quintana, I tired of Berto's ceasless whining about rabbit punches when it was obvious he was being struck on the side not the back of the head. I think he throws a lot of "shoeshine" blows complete with audio and I don't think he's that difficult to hit. Moreover, I hate seeing the ref and the announcing team bending over backwards for one fighter, which they apparently did. A feel good story with the Haiti thing and all is one thing, but there is another fighter in there. I think the stoppage was good, but I think Berto is lucky he didn't fight Mosley.

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Dan, you're right, he's lucky he was in with Quintana and not Mosely. Berto is very limited. Of course, the HBO crew is blowing smoke because they want to "create" attractions. Berto isn't the worst boxer in the ring today, but I'm tired of Jim Lampley and his words. Lampley is a self-centered A-hole to those who know him, and he should not be calling fights from ringside, neither should Larry Merchant. In my mind, the best ringside color man is Sean O'Grady. Why do they shove these smiling phonies down out throats. It's hard for me to even sit thru fights today. I used to laugh at Mel Epstein. When I was in my 20's and would watch a fight with Mel, he'd make me turn off the sound so he didn't have to listen to Howard Cosell, another guy who did not know boxing. The only thing that Cosell brought to boxing was his humorous exchanges with Ali. Aside from that, he was an incipid bore.

-Rick Farris

Berto for some reason reminds me of heavy Bruce Seldon, I wonder if he has Bruce's weak chin,I also think he is very limited, and that opinion has nothing to do with last night's fight, also can't stand ''THE RING MASTER'' Michael Buffer his ego is way to big for me,Lampley I will say also thinks the world revolves around him, but the guy who really strikes me as a mr know it all is Max Kellerman.

Paul . . . Max Kellerman is irritating. He should be castrated and sent on his way.

[kikibalt]

Berto for some reason reminds me of heavy Bruce Seldon, I wonder if he has Bruce's weak chin,I also think he is very limited, and that opinion has nothing to do with last night's fight, also can't stand ''THE RING MASTER'' Michael Buffer his ego is way to big for me,Lampley I will say also thinks the world revolves around him, but the guy who really strikes me as a mr know it all is Max Kellerman.

Paul . . . Max Kellerman is irritating. He should be castrated and sent on his way.

Rick!!.....

Max Kellerman doesn't know anything that he didn't read from a book...

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Paul . . . Max Kellerman is irritating. He should be castrated and sent on his way.

Rick!!.....

Max Kellerman doesn't know anything that he didn't read from a book...

This is true. I recall watching an interview with Philly promoter Russell Peltz, and Peltz talking about Kellerman, with Peltz saying, "Max Kellerman may know from what he read that Harry Greb got a newspaper decision off of a Gene Tunney, but what he doesn't know is that half of those old scribes were on the take." The dog must've eaten that page of the book.

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