Hatton Interview, yesterday...

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 11 Mar 2005, 12:39

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think on a one punch loaded shot Phillips may hit harder. However, in terms of consistent delivery of power, no contest, it's Tszyu all the way.

In the same way Bruno probably hit harder than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the more destructive.

No... just... no.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 11 Mar 2005, 12:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
In the same way Bruno probably hit harder than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the more destructive.

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 11 Mar 2005, 13:09

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think on a one punch loaded shot Phillips may hit harder. However, in terms of consistent delivery of power, no contest, it's Tszyu all the way.

In the same way Bruno probably hit harder than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the more destructive.

You could have a point. Do you think Hatton can avoid being hit by a big punch for two rounds?

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 11 Mar 2005, 17:00

Lets brake it down. The fight won't happen obviously, but I'm bored so I'll break it down for you very simply.

Power: Tszyu (Can and Will connect and hurt Hatton. Can Hatton hurt Tszyu? Tszyu would laugh at Hattons body shots)

Chin: Tszyu (Has taken BIG punches no problem including A Judah uppercut that would have taken Hattons head off)

Speed: Even

Heart: Tszyu. (Hatton is untested in this department)

Stamina: Tszyu (Do you really think a professional like Tszy who trains much harder than Hatton cannot go 12 rounds? Hatton is a fat piece of crap right now and Tszyu will be training as hard as ever)

Defense: Tszyu (Does Hatton have one?)

Recovery: Tszyu (Magee should have taken Hatton out. Tszyu recovers very well from big shots and even if he is hurt (very rare and Hatton can't hurt Tszyu), it's hard to know.

Strength: Tszyu

Accuracy: Kostya Tszyu

Bodypunching: Hatton (But Tszyu will KO Hatton if he tries this in 1 round like Williams should have been)

Facial Resistance to cuts and swelling: Tszyu

Jab: Tszyu

Right Hand Skills: TSZYU

Left Hook Skills: TSZYU

Uppercut Skills: TSZYU

Corner:EVEN

Crowd Support: Hatton

Corrupt Judging: Hatton

Big fight experience: Tszyu

These are the reasons why the fight won't happen.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 11 Mar 2005, 17:08

Tszyu 14
Hatton 2
1 Even.

Chipper · Post by **Chipper** » 12 Mar 2005, 10:57

Bullshit lirva...absoloute bullshit...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Mar 2005, 11:12

Graham Brett wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think on a one punch loaded shot Phillips may hit harder. However, in terms of consistent delivery of power, no contest, it's Tszyu all the way.

In the same way Bruno probably hit harder than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the more destructive.
You could have a point. Do you think Hatton can avoid being hit by a big punch for two rounds?

that's the million dollar question. He can maybe avoid getting hit, but to do so and actually win the rounds will be difficult.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Mar 2005, 13:58

lirva33 wrote:Lets brake it down. The fight won't happen obviously, but I'm bored so I'll break it down for you very simply.

Power: Tszyu (Can and Will connect and hurt Hatton. Can Hatton hurt Tszyu? Tszyu would laugh at Hattons body shots)

Chin: Tszyu (Has taken BIG punches no problem including A Judah uppercut that would have taken Hattons head off)

Speed: Even

Heart: Tszyu. (Hatton is untested in this department)

Stamina: Tszyu (Do you really think a professional like Tszy who trains much harder than Hatton cannot go 12 rounds? Hatton is a fat piece of crap right now and Tszyu will be training as hard as ever)

Defense: Tszyu (Does Hatton have one?)

Recovery: Tszyu (Magee should have taken Hatton out. Tszyu recovers very well from big shots and even if he is hurt (very rare and Hatton can't hurt Tszyu), it's hard to know.

Strength: Tszyu

Accuracy: Kostya Tszyu

Bodypunching: Hatton (But Tszyu will KO Hatton if he tries this in 1 round like Williams should have been)

Facial Resistance to cuts and swelling: Tszyu

Jab: Tszyu

Right Hand Skills: TSZYU

Left Hook Skills: TSZYU

Uppercut Skills: TSZYU

Corner:EVEN

Crowd Support: Hatton

Corrupt Judging: Hatton

Big fight experience: Tszyu

These are the reasons why the fight won't happen.

Your wrong on Stamina - Hatton throws far more punches than Zoo. Speed of foot and hand I'd give to Hatton too.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Mar 2005, 14:40

Livra,

How can you do a breakdown without including age and/or wear and tear. That is usually a big factor.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Mar 2005, 15:47

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Your deluded, first off Kostya wasn't cut from punches he was cut from an accidental head but.

Second off you think Phillips hits as hard as Tszyu. Did you see Phillips splatter Mitchell round the ring in 3rounds? Oh no he lost that fight didn't he. A prime Phillips caught an untrained Tszyu who had punched himself out.

Do you also think Watson hit harder than Benn? Or maybe you think Douglas hits harder than Tyson? Or how about Byrd hits harder than Vitali?

Mate, you haven't a clue who really hits harder - unless you've actualy taken their punches, have you?
Like me, it's all guess work.
So Tszyu splattered Mitchell - that makes him a harder hitter?
But when Phillips splatters Tszyu - it doesn't count, right?

A "prime" Phillips had actualy been blasted out by Quartey a year earlier don't forget.

Tszyu has only even been knocked out by one guy - Vince Phillips. That fact should tell you right there that the American is a serious puncher.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 12 Mar 2005, 16:22

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
lirva33 wrote:Lets brake it down. The fight won't happen obviously, but I'm bored so I'll break it down for you very simply.

Power: Tszyu (Can and Will connect and hurt Hatton. Can Hatton hurt Tszyu? Tszyu would laugh at Hattons body shots)

Chin: Tszyu (Has taken BIG punches no problem including A Judah uppercut that would have taken Hattons head off)

Speed: Even

Heart: Tszyu. (Hatton is untested in this department)

Stamina: Tszyu (Do you really think a professional like Tszy who trains much harder than Hatton cannot go 12 rounds? Hatton is a fat piece of crap right now and Tszyu will be training as hard as ever)

Defense: Tszyu (Does Hatton have one?)

Recovery: Tszyu (Magee should have taken Hatton out. Tszyu recovers very well from big shots and even if he is hurt (very rare and Hatton can't hurt Tszyu), it's hard to know.

Strength: Tszyu

Accuracy: Kostya Tszyu

Bodypunching: Hatton (But Tszyu will KO Hatton if he tries this in 1 round like Williams should have been)

Facial Resistance to cuts and swelling: Tszyu

Jab: Tszyu

Right Hand Skills: TSZYU

Left Hook Skills: TSZYU

Uppercut Skills: TSZYU

Corner:EVEN

Crowd Support: Hatton

Corrupt Judging: Hatton

Big fight experience: Tszyu

These are the reasons why the fight won't happen.
Your wrong on Stamina - Hatton throws far more punches than Zoo. Speed of foot and hand I'd give to Hatton too.

please read up on tszyu training methods

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Mar 2005, 16:33

MightyWarrior wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Your deluded, first off Kostya wasn't cut from punches he was cut from an accidental head but.

Second off you think Phillips hits as hard as Tszyu. Did you see Phillips splatter Mitchell round the ring in 3rounds? Oh no he lost that fight didn't he. A prime Phillips caught an untrained Tszyu who had punched himself out.

Do you also think Watson hit harder than Benn? Or maybe you think Douglas hits harder than Tyson? Or how about Byrd hits harder than Vitali?
Mate, you haven't a clue who really hits harder - unless you've actualy taken their punches, have you?
Like me, it's all guess work.
So Tszyu splattered Mitchell - that makes him a harder hitter?
But when Phillips splatters Tszyu - it doesn't count, right?

A "prime" Phillips had actualy been blasted out by Quartey a year earlier don't forget.

Tszyu has only even been knocked out by one guy - Vince Phillips. That fact should tell you right there that the American is a serious puncher.

AGAIN Kostya punched himself out. Does Ali hit harder than Foreman? Does Watson hit harder than Benn? Those are both carbon copy scenarios.

Phillips is not known for 1 punch power his fight against Zoo was an accumulation job in that final round. Hes never had serious 1 punch power

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Mar 2005, 16:34

lirva33 wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
lirva33 wrote:Lets brake it down. The fight won't happen obviously, but I'm bored so I'll break it down for you very simply.

Power: Tszyu (Can and Will connect and hurt Hatton. Can Hatton hurt Tszyu? Tszyu would laugh at Hattons body shots)

Chin: Tszyu (Has taken BIG punches no problem including A Judah uppercut that would have taken Hattons head off)

Speed: Even

Heart: Tszyu. (Hatton is untested in this department)

Stamina: Tszyu (Do you really think a professional like Tszy who trains much harder than Hatton cannot go 12 rounds? Hatton is a fat piece of crap right now and Tszyu will be training as hard as ever)

Defense: Tszyu (Does Hatton have one?)

Recovery: Tszyu (Magee should have taken Hatton out. Tszyu recovers very well from big shots and even if he is hurt (very rare and Hatton can't hurt Tszyu), it's hard to know.

Strength: Tszyu

Accuracy: Kostya Tszyu

Bodypunching: Hatton (But Tszyu will KO Hatton if he tries this in 1 round like Williams should have been)

Facial Resistance to cuts and swelling: Tszyu

Jab: Tszyu

Right Hand Skills: TSZYU

Left Hook Skills: TSZYU

Uppercut Skills: TSZYU

Corner:EVEN

Crowd Support: Hatton

Corrupt Judging: Hatton

Big fight experience: Tszyu

These are the reasons why the fight won't happen.
Your wrong on Stamina - Hatton throws far more punches than Zoo. Speed of foot and hand I'd give to Hatton too.
please read up on tszyu training methods

Who has better punch stats? Who has the higher workrate? Hatton throws countless more punches. I don't care how many dips Zoo can do.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Mar 2005, 16:45

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: AGAIN Kostya punched himself out. Does Ali hit harder than Foreman? Does Watson hit harder than Benn? Those are both carbon copy scenarios.

Phillips is not known for 1 punch power his fight against Zoo was an accumulation job in that final round. Hes never had serious 1 punch power

Other than knocking out a china chinned Judah, who has Tszyu knocked out with one punch then? Last one I can recall was Fuentes....around 13 years ago.

Please enlighten us.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 12 Mar 2005, 19:12

MightyWarrior wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: AGAIN Kostya punched himself out. Does Ali hit harder than Foreman? Does Watson hit harder than Benn? Those are both carbon copy scenarios.

Phillips is not known for 1 punch power his fight against Zoo was an accumulation job in that final round. Hes never had serious 1 punch power
Other than knocking out a china chinned Judah, who has Tszyu knocked out with one punch then? Last one I can recall was Fuentes....around 13 years ago.

Please enlighten us.

your argument is very flawed, and you didn't even address the first part of phenominals post.

Everyone know that Tszyu has 1 punch KO power and has perhaps the most devastating right hand in the division.

Philips doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as him.

Come on, lets not overdo it here to find positives for Hatton. Similar shit was said before the Williams fight w/klit in order to make positives for Williams.

I just can't see how you have an argument on this.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Mar 2005, 19:28

lirva33 wrote:your argument is very flawed, and you didn't even address the first part of phenominals post.

Everyone know that Tszyu has 1 punch KO power and has perhaps the most devastating right hand in the division.

Philips doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as him.

Come on, lets not overdo it here to find positives for Hatton. Similar shit was said before the Williams fight w/klit in order to make positives for Williams.

I just can't see how you have an argument on this.

Well I don't really see the relevance in his argument - did Vince win by using Ali's rope a dope tactics, is that what he means? It's a bizzare argument.

So you're both telling me, that along with all his other admitted huge talents, Tszyu is also a one punch ko artist? Bullshit.

Why not destroy my argument by giving me a list of fighters he's ko'd with one shot then? If you're that huge a puncher it's not hard - think Naz, Jackson, Hearns etc.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 12 Mar 2005, 19:53

MightyWarrior wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Your deluded, first off Kostya wasn't cut from punches he was cut from an accidental head but.

Second off you think Phillips hits as hard as Tszyu. Did you see Phillips splatter Mitchell round the ring in 3rounds? Oh no he lost that fight didn't he. A prime Phillips caught an untrained Tszyu who had punched himself out.

Do you also think Watson hit harder than Benn? Or maybe you think Douglas hits harder than Tyson? Or how about Byrd hits harder than Vitali?
Mate, you haven't a clue who really hits harder - unless you've actualy taken their punches, have you?
Like me, it's all guess work.
So Tszyu splattered Mitchell - that makes him a harder hitter?
But when Phillips splatters Tszyu - it doesn't count, right?

A "prime" Phillips had actualy been blasted out by Quartey a year earlier don't forget.

Tszyu has only even been knocked out by one guy - Vince Phillips. That fact should tell you right there that the American is a serious puncher.

Phillips hit tszyu with about 20 punches(it wasn't just one punch) and Tszyu was still on his feet as the ref stopped the fight, Tszyu had punched himself out and u could see it coming. Im not going to say who is a bigger puncher but Tszyu has proved far more and stoped a lot of people that where very durable.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 12 Mar 2005, 20:20

"china chinned judah" - Please!!

Watch Judah vs Spinks 1 and 2, not to mention most of his other fights.. He takes a good punch.

I guess Lewis has a china chin too then?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Mar 2005, 05:53

lirva33 wrote:"china chinned judah" - Please!!

Watch Judah vs Spinks 1 and 2, not to mention most of his other fights.. He takes a good punch.

I guess Lewis has a china chin too then?

Lewis has a very decent chin.

So............Zab goes 12 with the HUGE punching Corrie Spinks, he must have a chin of iron I guess.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 13 Mar 2005, 06:11

You obviously havn't watch those or many other Judah fights, but if Judah was British, he'd have a "very decent chin".

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Mar 2005, 07:27

lirva33 wrote:You obviously havn't watch those or many other Judah fights, but if Judah was British, he'd have a "very decent chin".

Judah has been down in numerous fights. FFS, you tell me he went 12 with Spinks as an example of how good his chin is - Spinks? A guy with 10 knockouts?!
What the hell does that prove?

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 13 Mar 2005, 07:57

MightyWarrior wrote:
lirva33 wrote:You obviously havn't watch those or many other Judah fights, but if Judah was British, he'd have a "very decent chin".
Judah has been down in numerous fights. FFS, you tell me he went 12 with Spinks as an example of how good his chin is - Spinks? A guy with 10 knockouts?!
What the hell does that prove?

I don't know if you're aware that Spinks is a WELTERWEIGHT. 147 pounds. Think about that, because you obviously havent.

I also don't know if you're aware that the right hand that Tszyu landed against Judah would have sent most LW's into dreamland.

Hatton has been dropped and hurt by Magee. So, obviously he has a poor chin?

Lewis was dropped and KTFO by Rachman and McCall. Badly hurt against Briggs in the first round. So why does he have a very decent chin?

Judah was down in the first against Millet and 2nd against Bergman. Both flash knockdowns and he got up to win those fight. So he get's dropped by a Tszyu right that would KO most people in the division and Stopped ON HIS FEET, and he has a poor chin now? Then he MOVES UP A WEIGHT and goes alost 22 rounds with the undisputed champion of that weight, winning both fights IMO.

So tell me why Lewis has a very decent chin and Judah doesn't.

For the record, I think Lewis has a very decent chin.

dbf · Post by **dbf** » 13 Mar 2005, 08:44

imo judah gets too much stick about his chin. Sure he was on queer street form the tsyzu punch, but had he been less hasty and more experienced and took a knee rather than bouncing straight back up he could have beat the count.

The other knock downs were all flash knockdowns, and he wasnt in serious trouble. Hes a bit like hamed, in that his style means his balance is a little off. Hamed went down many times but his chin is never quesioned.

I think judahs chin is average, but all this china chin talk is a bit too much.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 13 Mar 2005, 13:35

MightyWarrior wrote:
lirva33 wrote:your argument is very flawed, and you didn't even address the first part of phenominals post.

Everyone know that Tszyu has 1 punch KO power and has perhaps the most devastating right hand in the division.

Philips doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as him.

Come on, lets not overdo it here to find positives for Hatton. Similar shit was said before the Williams fight w/klit in order to make positives for Williams.

I just can't see how you have an argument on this.
Well I don't really see the relevance in his argument - did Vince win by using Ali's rope a dope tactics, is that what he means? It's a bizzare argument.

So you're both telling me, that along with all his other admitted huge talents, Tszyu is also a one punch ko artist? Bullshit.

Why not destroy my argument by giving me a list of fighters he's ko'd with one shot then? If you're that huge a puncher it's not hard - think Naz, Jackson, Hearns etc.

1punch power and timing and accuracy of that punch is 1 of Zoos best qualities.

OK then Mitchell was put down by the first right hand that landed, Judah was but when your fighting at the elite level (not WBU level) you fight people with good chins and good defenses that are hard to even catch let alone KO with 1 shot.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 13 Mar 2005, 13:36

MightyWarrior wrote:
lirva33 wrote:"china chinned judah" - Please!!

Watch Judah vs Spinks 1 and 2, not to mention most of his other fights.. He takes a good punch.

I guess Lewis has a china chin too then?
Lewis has a very decent chin.

So............Zab goes 12 with the HUGE punching Corrie Spinks, he must have a chin of iron I guess.

Easily beat Ward too alongside plenty of hitters - Witter too