Your hero was wrong Tom....raylawpc wrote:"If one is under twenty-five and is not a liberal, he has no heart; if one is over 25 and not a conservative, he had no head." -- attributed to Winston Churchhill.Rick Farris wrote:I think we are all turning into a bunch of Mel Epsteins.
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Randy, that thought occured to me.
Just this afternoon, John Bardelli made the same comment. I agreed.
Now out of the blue, you post this!![]()
Mel is alive here.
Bardelli will get a kick out of this Mel Epstein coincidence!
-Rick
Classic American West Coast Boxing
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Not my hero! I just thought it was an interesting quote and kind of fit in with the idea that many people become more "Epsteinish" as they grow older.kikibalt wrote:Your hero was wrong Tom....raylawpc wrote:"If one is under twenty-five and is not a liberal, he has no heart; if one is over 25 and not a conservative, he had no head." -- attributed to Winston Churchhill.Rick Farris wrote:I think we are all turning into a bunch of Mel Epsteins.
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Randy, that thought occured to me.
Just this afternoon, John Bardelli made the same comment. I agreed.
Now out of the blue, you post this!![]()
Mel is alive here.
Bardelli will get a kick out of this Mel Epstein coincidence!
-Rick
My political hero:

(Not really . . . but if she really looked like that she might be . . . proof that men think with more than their heads and hearts!
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Well, one thing for sure, SHE CAN'T THINK.....raylawpc wrote:Not my hero! I just thought it was an interesting quote and kind of fit in with the idea that many people become more "Epsteinish" as they grow older.kikibalt wrote:Your hero was wrong Tom....raylawpc wrote: "If one is under twenty-five and is not a liberal, he has no heart; if one is over 25 and not a conservative, he had no head." -- attributed to Winston Churchhill.
My political hero:
(Not really . . . but if she really looked like that she might be . . . proof that men think with more than their heads and hearts!)
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Btw Frank with her equipment don't care if she can count to tenkikibalt wrote:Well, one thing for sure, SHE CAN'T THINK.....raylawpc wrote:Not my hero! I just thought it was an interesting quote and kind of fit in with the idea that many people become more "Epsteinish" as they grow older.kikibalt wrote: Your hero was wrong Tom....
My political hero:
(Not really . . . but if she really looked like that she might be . . . proof that men think with more than their heads and hearts!)
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Well, yes, but thats not her equipment, like everything about her, its fake.... 
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Mel Epstein & Politics . . .
During the early-to-mid 70's when I was trained by Mel Epstein, Mel shared his feelings of the contemporary world quite freely.
In many ways Mel was conservative. Her hated long hair, rock music, and especially Ed Sullivan for putting "deviates" such as Elvis Presley & the Beatles on TV. "That Ed Sullivan has ruined the country!" he'd say. "Now we got prizefighters copying the dirty bastids!" When he'd make that comment, he'd look at my hair with his hands on his hips, shake his head. Anything longer than butch or crew cut would irritate Mel.
I wasn't interested in politics back then. I was interested in boxing and women, not necessarily in that order.
Mel was a strong "Union" man. In San Franciso, Mel had worked in the shipyards, and was a member of a strong union.
Today I am also in a union, and traditionally unions are best served by a democratic administration. Today? Who knows?
In this sense, Mel was a liberal. He also was disgusted by the Nixon administration, although I really can't remember Mel talking politics (If he did, I surely wasn't listening).
Although conservative in his attitudes, etc., politically Mel was a democrat.
During the early-to-mid 70's when I was trained by Mel Epstein, Mel shared his feelings of the contemporary world quite freely.
In many ways Mel was conservative. Her hated long hair, rock music, and especially Ed Sullivan for putting "deviates" such as Elvis Presley & the Beatles on TV. "That Ed Sullivan has ruined the country!" he'd say. "Now we got prizefighters copying the dirty bastids!" When he'd make that comment, he'd look at my hair with his hands on his hips, shake his head. Anything longer than butch or crew cut would irritate Mel.
I wasn't interested in politics back then. I was interested in boxing and women, not necessarily in that order.
Mel was a strong "Union" man. In San Franciso, Mel had worked in the shipyards, and was a member of a strong union.
Today I am also in a union, and traditionally unions are best served by a democratic administration. Today? Who knows?
In this sense, Mel was a liberal. He also was disgusted by the Nixon administration, although I really can't remember Mel talking politics (If he did, I surely wasn't listening).
Although conservative in his attitudes, etc., politically Mel was a democrat.
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I believe the photo is a phony. Using Photo Shop, they no doubt put Palin's head on another woman's body.kikibalt wrote:Well, yes, but thats not her equipment, like everything about her, its fake....
Maybe if they put another head on Palin's body, she could walk and chew gum at the same time.
By the way, I'm still not a political person, not to the point where I'd violate the feelings of my friends on this forum.
Regardless of what is said here, I will always vote the way I vote, and I know the same is true with everybody here.
God Bless America!
-Rick Farris
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Of course its fake . . . but its fun to look at!!Rick Farris wrote:I believe the photo is a phony. Using Photo Shop, they no doubt put Palin's head on another woman's body.kikibalt wrote:Well, yes, but thats not her equipment, like everything about her, its fake....
Maybe if they put another head on Palin's body, she could walk and chew gum at the same time.
By the way, I'm still not a political person, not to the point where I'd violate the feelings of my friends on this forum.
Regardless of what is said here, I will always vote the way I vote, and I know the same is true with everybody here.
God Bless America!
-Rick Farris
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Rick I think a lot of people are like Mel conservative in attitude and liberal in politics,by the same token I know people who are liberal in attitude and are conservative when it comes to politics,myself I refuse to debate politics it causes to many arguments that nobody can winRick Farris wrote:Mel Epstein & Politics . . .
During the early-to-mid 70's when I was trained by Mel Epstein, Mel shared his feelings of the contemporary world quite freely.
In many ways Mel was conservative. Her hated long hair, rock music, and especially Ed Sullivan for putting "deviates" such as Elvis Presley & the Beatles on TV. "That Ed Sullivan has ruined the country!" he'd say. "Now we got prizefighters copying the dirty bastids!" When he'd make that comment, he'd look at my hair with his hands on his hips, shake his head. Anything longer than butch or crew cut would irritate Mel.
I wasn't interested in politics back then. I was interested in boxing and women, not necessarily in that order.
Mel was a strong "Union" man. In San Franciso, Mel had worked in the shipyards, and was a member of a strong union.
Today I am also in a union, and traditionally unions are best served by a democratic administration. Today? Who knows?
In this sense, Mel was a liberal. He also was disgusted by the Nixon administration, although I really can't remember Mel talking politics (If he did, I surely wasn't listening).
Although conservative in his attitudes, etc., politically Mel was a democrat.
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Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“Caper of The Missing Rooster”
When we were living in Simons, our neighbor was a little old lady, Panfela, we called her Panfelita, Panfelita lived by herself and when she needed something from the Mom & Pop store she would ask me to go for her, she would ask me two or three times a day, I would jump on my bike go to the store for her, when I would come back and give her what she had order, she would tell me “might God pay you for your kindness” I would say to myself “yes because you will never pay me a dime”.
Anyway, Panfelita had a big white rooster, getting ahead of myself here on the rooster story.
In Simons there was lots of open land and the roads were all dirt, we didn’t have street lights. At night us young kids would light up a fire, one night one of the guys had an idea, “lets go steal Panfelita’s white rooster and we’ll cook him here on the fire”, so here we go about 4-5 of us kids, now this rooster was big and mean so nobody wanted to go into the coop and get him, finally Gilbert who we called Pachie said he would go into the coop, now Pachie was the smallest of us guys, don’t think he weighted more then 60 lbs, Pachie goes into the coop and suddenly there‘s a cloud of dust and all we could see was Pachie little feet stick out of the cloud of dust now an then. After a while Pachie won the fight and got the rooster, but let me tell you, that rooster beat the shit out of Pachie.
We ate the rooster.
Next morning my Mom and Panfelita were talking over the backyard fence, Panfelita was crying, I walked up to them and ask “what’s wrong?”, my Mom looked at me and said “somebody stole her rooster”, my mom gave me that looked that told me she knew I had something to do with the caper of “The Missing Rooster”.
We were not bad boys, I would like to think that we were just a little “mischievous”
“Caper of The Missing Rooster”
When we were living in Simons, our neighbor was a little old lady, Panfela, we called her Panfelita, Panfelita lived by herself and when she needed something from the Mom & Pop store she would ask me to go for her, she would ask me two or three times a day, I would jump on my bike go to the store for her, when I would come back and give her what she had order, she would tell me “might God pay you for your kindness” I would say to myself “yes because you will never pay me a dime”.
Anyway, Panfelita had a big white rooster, getting ahead of myself here on the rooster story.
In Simons there was lots of open land and the roads were all dirt, we didn’t have street lights. At night us young kids would light up a fire, one night one of the guys had an idea, “lets go steal Panfelita’s white rooster and we’ll cook him here on the fire”, so here we go about 4-5 of us kids, now this rooster was big and mean so nobody wanted to go into the coop and get him, finally Gilbert who we called Pachie said he would go into the coop, now Pachie was the smallest of us guys, don’t think he weighted more then 60 lbs, Pachie goes into the coop and suddenly there‘s a cloud of dust and all we could see was Pachie little feet stick out of the cloud of dust now an then. After a while Pachie won the fight and got the rooster, but let me tell you, that rooster beat the shit out of Pachie.
We ate the rooster.
Next morning my Mom and Panfelita were talking over the backyard fence, Panfelita was crying, I walked up to them and ask “what’s wrong?”, my Mom looked at me and said “somebody stole her rooster”, my mom gave me that looked that told me she knew I had something to do with the caper of “The Missing Rooster”.
We were not bad boys, I would like to think that we were just a little “mischievous”
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Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
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Frank didn't think weed was big until the 1960s,also cops in those days probably didn't follow any rules if you smarted off to them they might take you to the desert and kick your ass,in Las Vegas I know we had a sherriff in the 60s and 70s who ruled with an iron fist,one time back in the late 60s he got word that the hells angels were coming to town so he and about half the police force met them at the state line he advised them they would be better off elsewhere,after some harsh words they turned back to California,not many people had the balls to stand up to the hells angels,needless to say there were always being investigated for excessive use of force.kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Yup!raylawpc wrote:Of course its fake . . . but its fun to look at!!Rick Farris wrote:I believe the photo is a phony. Using Photo Shop, they no doubt put Palin's head on another woman's body.kikibalt wrote:Well, yes, but thats not her equipment, like everything about her, its fake....
Maybe if they put another head on Palin's body, she could walk and chew gum at the same time.
By the way, I'm still not a political person, not to the point where I'd violate the feelings of my friends on this forum.
Regardless of what is said here, I will always vote the way I vote, and I know the same is true with everybody here.
God Bless America!
-Rick Farris![]()
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Paulino...Weed was widely used in the Chicano community as far back as I can remember, the white guys didn't start smoking till much later...THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank didn't think weed was big until the 1960s,also cops in those days probably didn't follow any rules if you smarted off to them they might take you to the desert and kick your ass,in Las Vegas I know we had a sherriff in the 60s and 70s who ruled with an iron fist,one time back in the late 60s he got word that the hells angels were coming to town so he and about half the police force met them at the state line he advised them they would be better off elsewhere,after some harsh words they turned back to California,not many people had the balls to stand up to the hells angels,needless to say there were always being investigated for excessive use of force.kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Nothing "Chicken" about a Gamecock . . .kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
Frank, your rooster story is a good one! I kinda know how Pachie might have felt when he tangled with the rooster.
When I was 17, and training at Flores Gym, a man in his 50's showed up with a young heavyweight prospect. The heavyweight had been a USC football player who had washed out. The old man was a lot of fun (50's was an old man to me in those days), and his daughter would become my first love. The man's name was Karl Nelson (Randy De La O would meet Karl)), and the family lived in Monterey Park. The first night I visited his daughter in the family home, Karl asks me, "Have you ever seen a cock fight?" I said "No", and he went on to tell me that every prizefighter should see how gamecock's fight, usually to the death. The following week, he tells me of an old friend of his who raised gamecocks in San Dimas. The guy had several acres and a big barn. On occasion, he would hold secret cockfights in the barn. Karl invited me to one of these secret cockfights the following week. On the night we arrive at the property, we must turn our headlights off as we enter the property, and park in the back where cars could not be seen from the road. Inside the barn we saw a number of cockfights and had a lot of fun betting, etc. I was just 17, and thought it was cool to attend this "secret" event. One of the gamecocks that fought had won three previous matches, and won that night. However, the cock lost one of his eyes in the fight, and suffered a broken leg. He was thrown into a pile of dead cocks and as we were leaving it was discovered that the unbeaten cock was still alive. Gamecocks aren't soft barnyard roosters, they are hard muscled and strong. You cook up a gamecock and that will be one tough bird to chew. One of the young "trainers" a kid from Mexico, was going to pull the cocks head off and then defeather him for a meal. My friend Karl said, "Don't try to eat that bird, he won his fight. I'll take him home." Well, Karl brings the ailing gamecock home and within a few weeks, the bird looked in fighting shape. The leg seemed to heal and although half blind, the cock ruled the roost in my friends backyard. I remember that when I'd spend the night there, that gamecock would wake the neighborhood every morning when the sun came up. One day, Karl asked me to go into the pen, pick up the gamecock and put him in the garage. The bird was in no mood to be handled. It flew into the corner of the pen and I had him trapped. I reached down and attempted to grab the bird and it retaliated by punching my hands with his claws. Like a boxer, a gamecock punches with his feet. In a real fight, it wears metal gaffs, which are like spears. However without the gaffs a gamecock punches, and they punch hard! I finally got hold of the bird by restraining his legs, but I could feel a lump swelling on the back of my hand. Once I had his legs tied up, it reached down and grabbed my arm with it's beak. When I walked out of that pen my girlfriend and her father were laughing so hard they were in tears. My shirt was torn, I had blood running down my arm and I soon had a golf ball sized bruise right below my knuckles. That bird kicked my ass before I got hold of it. Karl couldn't keep the bird and gave it to me. I couldn't keep the cock in family's Burbank home, so I ended it giving it to one of Johnny Flores amateur flyweights, Manuel. Manuel used to take the gamecock around on a leash, but Johnny told him not to bring him to the gym because it would crap all over the place. Manuel would let it off the leash as we trained and the bird would pirch himself up on the ring ropes, on top of the scale and rubbing table, leaving a pile of crap wherever it landed. We didn't see Manuel for awhile, and when we finally did we asked him about the gamecock. Manuel lowered his head and told us, "he bit my cousin". The cousin didn't like being bitten by the gamecock, and later ate him for dinner. After that experience, I had a gamecock emroidered on the back of my red velvet boxing robe. The first night I wore that robe into the ring in a pro fight, Jimmy Lennon Sr. introduced me as "The Burbank Gamecock". I still have that robe, so maybe I'll shoot pic and post it. Thanks for that rooster story, Frank. It brought back some memories.
-Rick Farris
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
I always heard that the American Indian's were the first people to smoke weed going back to the 1800s but what you say makes sense because of Mexican people having indian blood so maybe Mexican people have been smoking weed as long as the Indians.kikibalt wrote:Paulino...Weed was widely used in the Chicano community as far back as I can remember, the white guys didn't smoking till much later...THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank didn't think weed was big until the 1960s,also cops in those days probably didn't follow any rules if you smarted off to them they might take you to the desert and kick your ass,in Las Vegas I know we had a sherriff in the 60s and 70s who ruled with an iron fist,one time back in the late 60s he got word that the hells angels were coming to town so he and about half the police force met them at the state line he advised them they would be better off elsewhere,after some harsh words they turned back to California,not many people had the balls to stand up to the hells angels,needless to say there were always being investigated for excessive use of force.kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Like Pachie, you got your ass handed to you by a rooster.....Rick Farris wrote:Nothing "Chicken" about a Gamecock . . .kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
A Pachie Story
“I Ain’t Squawking”
We’re now about 17 years old, we were shooting pool at the Simons Pool Hall in Simons, Pachie is walking around with a joint on his ear, after a while he left. About a week later he is at the pool hall again, he tells us that after he left the pool hall the week before he was pull over by the cops, and that one cop told him he was under arrest for having a joint, Pachie: “where is the evidence?”, the cop took the joint for his ear, cop: “here it is”
He was put in the back seat of the cop’s car and ask, cop: “where did you get the joint?”, Pachie: “I ain’t squawking”, cops pull him out of the car and kicked his ass and let him go.
Poor Pachie was always getting his ass kicked, first the rooster, now the cops.
Frank, your rooster story is a good one! I kinda know how Pachie might have felt when he tangled with the rooster.
When I was 17, and training at Flores Gym, a man in his 50's showed up with a young heavyweight prospect. The heavyweight had been a USC football player who had washed out. The old man was a lot of fun (50's was an old man to me in those days), and his daughter would become my first love. The man's name was Karl Nelson (Randy De La O would meet Karl)), and the family lived in Monterey Park. The first night I visited his daughter in the family home, Karl asks me, "Have you ever seen a cock fight?" I said "No", and he went on to tell me that every prizefighter should see how gamecock's fight, usually to the death. The following week, he tells me of an old friend of his who raised gamecocks in San Dimas. The guy had several acres and a big barn. On occasion, he would hold secret cockfights in the barn. Karl invited me to one of these secret cockfights the following week. On the night we arrive at the property, we must turn our headlights off as we enter the property, and park in the back where cars could not be seen from the road. Inside the barn we saw a number of cockfights and had a lot of fun betting, etc. I was just 17, and thought it was cool to attend this "secret" event. One of the gamecocks that fought had won three previous matches, and won that night. However, the cock lost one of his eyes in the fight, and suffered a broken leg. He was thrown into a pile of dead cocks and as we were leaving it was discovered that the unbeaten cock was still alive. Gamecocks aren't soft barnyard roosters, they are hard muscled and strong. You cook up a gamecock and that will be one tough bird to chew. One of the young "trainers" a kid from Mexico, was going to pull the cocks head off and then defeather him for a meal. My friend Karl said, "Don't try to eat that bird, he won his fight. I'll take him home." Well, Karl brings the ailing gamecock home and within a few weeks, the bird looked in fighting shape. The leg seemed to heal and although half blind, the cock ruled the roost in my friends backyard. I remember that when I'd spend the night there, that gamecock would wake the neighborhood every morning when the sun came up. One day, Karl asked me to go into the pen, pick up the gamecock and put him in the garage. The bird was in no mood to be handled. It flew into the corner of the pen and I had him trapped. I reached down and attempted to grab the bird and it retaliated by punching my hands with his claws. Like a boxer, a gamecock punches with his feet. In a real fight, it wears metal gaffs, which are like spears. However without the gaffs a gamecock punches, and they punch hard! I finally got hold of the bird by restraining his legs, but I could feel a lump swelling on the back of my hand. Once I had his legs tied up, it reached down and grabbed my arm with it's beak. When I walked out of that pen my girlfriend and her father were laughing so hard they were in tears. My shirt was torn, I had blood running down my arm and I soon had a golf ball sized bruise right below my knuckles. That bird kicked my ass before I got hold of it. Karl couldn't keep the bird and gave it to me. I couldn't keep the cock in family's Burbank home, so I ended it giving it to one of Johnny Flores amateur flyweights, Manuel. Manuel used to take the gamecock around on a leash, but Johnny told him not to bring him to the gym because it would crap all over the place. Manuel would let it off the leash as we trained and the bird would pirch himself up on the ring ropes, on top of the scale and rubbing table, leaving a pile of crap wherever it landed. We didn't see Manuel for awhile, and when we finally did we asked him about the gamecock. Manuel lowered his head and told us, "he bit my cousin". The cousin didn't like being bitten by the gamecock, and later ate him for dinner. After that experience, I had a gamecock emroidered on the back of my red velvet boxing robe. The first night I wore that robe into the ring in a pro fight, Jimmy Lennon Sr. introduced me as "The Burbank Gamecock". I still have that robe, so maybe I'll shoot pic and post it. Thanks for that rooster story, Frank. It brought back some memories.
-Rick Farris
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

This is the robe I wore during my first year as a professional.
It was made by a 16-year-old girl named Laura Lyons, who was my girlfriend's best friend.
Laura was taking a sewing class at Mark Keppel High School in Monterey Park, and made the robe for a class credit.
Note the "Fighting Gamecock" embroidered on the back.
By the way, six years later, Laura Lyons would become a Playboy centerfold (February 1976 edition).
-Rick Farris
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Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“The Hole On The Wall”
When I was about 12 years old I had a friend, Richard, aka Lunga, Lunga had a cousin that moved in with his family, she was 18 at the time. Now in Simons the houses were just wooden shacks without insulation, and outhouses, people would built wooden shacks to be use for bathing, Lunga’s bathing shack had a hole on one wall, when the cousin was going to bathe Lunga would go around telling all of us guys “she bathing, she bathing”, us guys would get our pennies, nickels and dimes, we would get in line and Lunga would stand against the wall by the hole and take our money, the more we paid him the longer we could watch the cousin bathe, the next day we were looking for bottles to take to the store for refunds for the next bath. Don’t know how many here are old enough to remember when you could take bottles to the store and get refunds.
“The Hole On The Wall”
When I was about 12 years old I had a friend, Richard, aka Lunga, Lunga had a cousin that moved in with his family, she was 18 at the time. Now in Simons the houses were just wooden shacks without insulation, and outhouses, people would built wooden shacks to be use for bathing, Lunga’s bathing shack had a hole on one wall, when the cousin was going to bathe Lunga would go around telling all of us guys “she bathing, she bathing”, us guys would get our pennies, nickels and dimes, we would get in line and Lunga would stand against the wall by the hole and take our money, the more we paid him the longer we could watch the cousin bathe, the next day we were looking for bottles to take to the store for refunds for the next bath. Don’t know how many here are old enough to remember when you could take bottles to the store and get refunds.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“The Hole On The Wall”
When I was about 12 years old I had a friend, Richard, aka Lunga, Lunga had a cousin that moved in with his family, she was 18 at the time. Now in Simons the houses were just wooden shacks without insulation, and outhouses, people would built wooden shacks to be use for bathing, Lunga’s bathing shack had a hole on one wall, when the cousin was going to bathe Lunga would go around telling all of us guys “she bathing, she bathing”, us guys would get our pennies, nickels and dimes, we would get in line and Lunga would stand against the wall by the hole and take our money, the more we paid him the longer we could watch the cousin bathe, the next day we were looking for bottles to take to the store for refunds for the next bath. Don’t know how many here are old enough to remember when you could take bottles to the store and get refunds.
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Murder charges filed in boxing gym death
By Bruce Lieberman, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
A former trainer at a boxing gym in Vista was charged Thursday with murder in the shooting death of another trainer.
Mark Anthony Diaz, 49, also was charged with attempted murder and assault with a firearm in the shooting April 7 that left two people wounded. Diaz pleaded not guilty to all the charges in Vista Superior Court.
Diaz is accused of killing Hector Gil, 52, a popular boxing trainer in North County. Authorities arrested Diaz on April 9 at his home in Carlsbad. He remains in custody on $10 million in bail.
Deputy District Attorney Patrick Espinoza said he argued for bail to be set at $12 million, laying out for the judge the events that he said led to Gil’s death.
In February, the owner of Pacific Coast Boxing, at 1304 N. Santa Fe Ave., petitioned the court for a restraining order against Diaz, which ordered him to stay away from the gym, court records show.
Shortly after that, Ricardo Guitierrez, a local boxer, severed ties with Diaz and began training with Gil, Espinoza said. Diaz sued Guitierrez in small claims court, alleging that the boxer violated a contract between them, Espinoza said.
On April 2, someone called Gil and threatened to “bust a cap” into him, Espinoza said. Witnesses who heard the voice mail said they recognized the voice as that of Diaz, the prosecutor said.
On April 7, just after 9 p.m., eight to 10 people were gathered at Pacific Coast Boxing when someone pointed a gun into the gym and began firing, hitting Gil. The bullet passed through Gil and hit Peter Moreno, a volunteer trainer, in the shoulder.
The shooter then pointed his gun toward Guitierrez, tracking him as he moved and firing numerous times, hitting the boxer in the leg, Espinoza said.
Witnesses told authorities that they heard several gunshots, after which they saw a man running from the gym with a gun, enter a vehicle and flee, Espinoza said.
At Diaz’s home on Roosevelt Street in Carlsbad, authorities recovered clothing and a vehicle that matched what witnesses said the shooter was wearing and driving when he fled the gym, Espinoza said.
A memorial for Gil is scheduled for Saturday in Oceanside. The memorial, open to the public, will be from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at The Compound MMA, a mixed martial arts and fitness club at 3907 Oceanic Drive.
By Bruce Lieberman, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
A former trainer at a boxing gym in Vista was charged Thursday with murder in the shooting death of another trainer.
Mark Anthony Diaz, 49, also was charged with attempted murder and assault with a firearm in the shooting April 7 that left two people wounded. Diaz pleaded not guilty to all the charges in Vista Superior Court.
Diaz is accused of killing Hector Gil, 52, a popular boxing trainer in North County. Authorities arrested Diaz on April 9 at his home in Carlsbad. He remains in custody on $10 million in bail.
Deputy District Attorney Patrick Espinoza said he argued for bail to be set at $12 million, laying out for the judge the events that he said led to Gil’s death.
In February, the owner of Pacific Coast Boxing, at 1304 N. Santa Fe Ave., petitioned the court for a restraining order against Diaz, which ordered him to stay away from the gym, court records show.
Shortly after that, Ricardo Guitierrez, a local boxer, severed ties with Diaz and began training with Gil, Espinoza said. Diaz sued Guitierrez in small claims court, alleging that the boxer violated a contract between them, Espinoza said.
On April 2, someone called Gil and threatened to “bust a cap” into him, Espinoza said. Witnesses who heard the voice mail said they recognized the voice as that of Diaz, the prosecutor said.
On April 7, just after 9 p.m., eight to 10 people were gathered at Pacific Coast Boxing when someone pointed a gun into the gym and began firing, hitting Gil. The bullet passed through Gil and hit Peter Moreno, a volunteer trainer, in the shoulder.
The shooter then pointed his gun toward Guitierrez, tracking him as he moved and firing numerous times, hitting the boxer in the leg, Espinoza said.
Witnesses told authorities that they heard several gunshots, after which they saw a man running from the gym with a gun, enter a vehicle and flee, Espinoza said.
At Diaz’s home on Roosevelt Street in Carlsbad, authorities recovered clothing and a vehicle that matched what witnesses said the shooter was wearing and driving when he fled the gym, Espinoza said.
A memorial for Gil is scheduled for Saturday in Oceanside. The memorial, open to the public, will be from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at The Compound MMA, a mixed martial arts and fitness club at 3907 Oceanic Drive.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
You would had had some fun for sure Rick, the girls at the Follies used us as gofers, go for this, go for that, but hey, we were happy to do it....Rick Farris wrote:kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“The Hole On The Wall”
When I was about 12 years old I had a friend, Richard, aka Lunga, Lunga had a cousin that moved in with his family, she was 18 at the time. Now in Simons the houses were just wooden shacks without insulation, and outhouses, people would built wooden shacks to be use for bathing, Lunga’s bathing shack had a hole on one wall, when the cousin was going to bathe Lunga would go around telling all of us guys “she bathing, she bathing”, us guys would get our pennies, nickels and dimes, we would get in line and Lunga would stand against the wall by the hole and take our money, the more we paid him the longer we could watch the cousin bathe, the next day we were looking for bottles to take to the store for refunds for the next bath. Don’t know how many here are old enough to remember when you could take bottles to the store and get refunds.I used to collect soft drink bottles and turn them in. Remember filling paper bags, boxes, etc. and taking them to the store for a 3 cent refund, or something like that. In your case, Frank, the money was well spent.
By the way Frank, I wouldn't have minded running with your group. After all, you and your buddies worked your way into the Follies Burlesque House on Main Street. Me, I couldn't lie or sneak my way into that place.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“The Rope”
Around the block from my house some people were having a party, an adult party, us young teenagers, 13-14 years old at the time wanted to go to the party, we thought we were chingones and should be allowed at the party, but the people having the party said no, we were too young they said. We left and got a long rope, came back to the party and tied one end of the rope to the house wooden fence and the other end to the bumper of a car park in front of the house, we waited in the dark until the party was over, at some point the people that owned the car came out to go home, they said their good-byes got in the car and drove away taking the fence with them.
“The Rope”
Around the block from my house some people were having a party, an adult party, us young teenagers, 13-14 years old at the time wanted to go to the party, we thought we were chingones and should be allowed at the party, but the people having the party said no, we were too young they said. We left and got a long rope, came back to the party and tied one end of the rope to the house wooden fence and the other end to the bumper of a car park in front of the house, we waited in the dark until the party was over, at some point the people that owned the car came out to go home, they said their good-byes got in the car and drove away taking the fence with them.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
That gave me a real laugh mate you were an evil little bastard when you were young, that's just the sort of things my mates & me got up tokikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“The Rope”
Around the block from my house some people were having a party, an adult party, us young teenagers, 13-14 years old at the time wanted to go to the party, we thought we were chingones and should be allowed at the party, but the people having the party said no, we were too young they said. We left and got a long rope, came back to the party and tied one end of the rope to the house wooden fence and the other end to the bumper of a car park in front of the house, we waited in the dark until the party was over, at some point the people that owned the car came out to go home, they said their good-byes got in the car and drove away taking the fence with them.
If an adult tried to put one over our gang they soon found strange things happening to their cars like sugar in the fuel tank