Do any filmed boxing events exist of Maxie Rosenbloom?

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ya know slakka, you appear to be indulging in what many may consider to be "doubletalk".

However it remains a very interesting subject, and I suspect you have a dog in this race. I'd like to see your "outakes" in unedited form, and be sure of the source of your cut and pasting info.

By the way you originally recited info based on the San Francisco paper's review of this fight and now you choose to apparently quote the Oakland paper. Would this be an example of "foolish consistency?"
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This is an Oakland Tribune Arch Ward ringside account of Rosenbloom vs J.H. Lewis. As I mentioned previously Harry B. Smith of the S-F Chronicle a boxing writer of renown was also of the opinion J.H.L. won this encounter. All ya gotta do is open up a record book to be mislead it seems!

P.S. I gotta $1000.00 dead presidents for you if you suspect me pulling any shananagans!
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I'm good for now, you have cred. However can you opine on why Maxie was getting good treatment and JHL was disrespected?
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Are u new at boxing history? He was black!!!!

I suggest u read Irving Rudds book on the place of the black fighter in a main event vs a white opponent in the dirty 30s.
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slakka wrote:Are u new at boxing history? He was black!!!!

I suggest u read Irving Rudds book on the place of the black fighter in a main event vs a white opponent in the dirty 30s.


Will do, So how blatant was it in your opinion? If the white guy was standin at the final bell he wins? Even with the big names? Another question: Were crowds displaying more of a sense of justice or a sense of bias during these times? Could a crowd "decide" the outcome if it was sensed by the officials they were a bit "hostile" or "dangerous" due to the numbers? How prevalent was this?

Did a crowd ever "lose it" over the injustice of the decision?
On the other hand did they ever "lose it" because of a sense of "entitlement"? Can you cite Famous cases of each perhaps?
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Yer makking old slakkas head spin, choose one question at a time please!
Answer to all...hell if I know, I wasn't there!
Read the Rudd book.
Also a tremendous west coast boxing publication of long ago called-
The Knockout conducted an interview back in the 40s with Ray Foutts Mgr of Teddy Yarosz among many others. He, Ray was trying to impress upon the interviewer named Davis, the outstanding career and fighting abilities of one William Gorilla Jones who he considered onna the greatest of all middleweights. First thing outta Foutts mouth was..."You heard me right..Jones..and forget his record, he carried more opponents than an undertaker!"
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Hey, how can I learn without asking questions?
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BoxBuzz wrote:I was telling Jaclem that my Father (born in 1913, passed in 1989) described him as "Slicker than hog snot on a door knob". His record seems to back it up. He also described him as "No Punch just Panache".


Any filmed record of this guy? Other than as an entertainer?
I dont know of any actual bouts that were filmed of Max Rosenbloom in the ring.
Perhaps the closest of seeing how he fought would be in any of the many movies he made from 1933-1969.
I read where he plays himself as a boxer in the film,
SLAPSIE MAXIE'S(1939)
I have never seen that particular movie or know if it was ever released on video.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0742438
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BTW Slapsie Maxie's was the name of a night club he owned for a time in Los Angeles.
In 1950 he had a night club act with Max Baer and they did a series of movies together in the early 1950's,
such as,

Two Roaming Champs(1950)
Wine Women and Bong(1951)
Skipalong Rosenbloom(1951)
Champ Steps Out(1951)
Rootin Tootin Tenderfoot(1951)

(I have never seen any of those movies either,actually I think the last time they were seen was when they played at the movie theaters back then,because a few people now only remember seeing the movies then and not since)
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Here is a link where you can click and watch a rare movie that starred Maxie Rosenbloom(as himself).
HARVARD,HERE I COME !(1941)
(64 minutes)

http://www.imdb.com/video/internet-archive/vi1318650393
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LOL....a cinematic masterpiece!
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One of the earlier fights, and something that at least is comprehensible, from the oakland paper?

Rosenbloom won by a slim margin. Lewis was the aggressor and Rosenbloom fought his usual slapstick style. Lewis often made spurts but Maxie would meet him more than half way and generally got the better of these exchanges. It was an interesting fight. Attendance was nearly 8000 and the gross receipts were $5,909.
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Gorilla Jones was definately NOT a great middleweight. How this has often been repeated is beyond me. He was a decent middleweight of a decidedly weak era of the division.
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BoxBuzz wrote:One of the earlier fights, and something that at least is comprehensible, from the oakland paper?

Rosenbloom won by a slim margin. Lewis was the aggressor and Rosenbloom fought his usual slapstick style. Lewis often made spurts but Maxie would meet him more than half way and generally got the better of these exchanges. It was an interesting fight. Attendance was nearly 8000 and the gross receipts were $5,909.
What is this from? date? source?
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Young Firpo vs. John Henry Lewis

1934-09-20 : Young Firpo 174¼lbs drew with John Henry Lewis 174½lbs
Location: Multnomah Stadium, Portland, Oregon, USA
Referee: Tom Louttit
FIRPO STAGES GREAT BATTLE AGAINST LEWIS by Billy Stepp, Sports Editor News-Telegram (Portland, OR)

With defeat staring him in the face, Young Firpo, the lion-hearted miner from the sagebrush of Burke, Ida., staged a sensational rally to fight himself to a draw in 10 torrid rounds with John Henry Lewis, the colored boxing master from Phoenix, Ariz., in the headline brawl at the stadium last night before more than 6000 fans who almost went into hysterics as the two light-heavyweights fought round by round.

Referee Tom Louttit's decision was met with a terrific roar of music that put the Bronx on the Rand-McNally. Nine out of ten looked upon the Bull as the winner after his zero-hour attack on the colored boy.
The writer's scorebook showed the first, third, fourth and fifth in favor of Lewis who autographed the miner with everything in his category of pet socks, but none made the wild man quit walking in. The sixth, seventh, eight and ninth were given Firpo, while the second and tenth were even-steven.
John Henry started off to make it a one-side affair by plastering Firpo with straight lefts and rights in the first round, while Firp didn't land a punch.
Firp landed his first punch of the fight in the second heat, a wild right crashed against Lewis' jaw, and he staggered back, but quickly fought off the Bull's attack.
In the third Lewis again opened up with his long left that blew Firpo's schnoz a burning red and the claret dripped.
Firpo let one fly from nowhere in the fourth and John's nose got in the way and the red ink dripped. Lewis quickly punched Firpo around the ring with both hands.
In the fifth, Lewis' long range guns kept booming on Firpo's face and a right dropped into the bread basket to say, Morning, Samuel, while Firpo went around aimlessly trying to connect on the huge brown-skinned battler.
The sixth Firpo clipped over a few teasers but Lewis held his ground and evened the round.
Firpo bounced up and down, and a wild swing found a resting spot on Lewis' jaw, and his knees buckled. That was like a streak from a blue sky to Firp and he opened with a savage attack of haymakers that bewildered the Arizona boy. It was the miner's big inning.
And again in the seventh Firp kept his relentless wild-swinging barrage that had Lewis looking for shelter. The boy whom the N.B.A. picked as a probable world's light-heavyweight successor to Rosenbloom was losing his early lead.
Firpo kept swinging like a bar room door on a busy day. His left and rights missed and some connected. One right almost tore Lewis' head off, and if ever a fighter folded, John Henry did, and like an old-fashioned canvas bag.
Firpo, with victory looming on his face after four rounds of terrific battling, was weak and in fact so was Lewis. The two tore into the final three minutes with nothing barred. John H. dropped three far below the belt, while Firpo almost untied Lewis' shoes with an uppercut. It looked for a second that the miner was going to blow the duke as he hung on, but with 10 seconds left on the ticker came Firp and he almost tore Lewis' dome off with two haymakers that were thrown from the 50 yard line.
The bell ended the 30 minute party and, of course, Referee Louttit's decision caused a near riot. It was O.K., but if a winner was to be picked yours truly would have to give the silverware to the Bull of Burke, who certainly turned what looked like a defeat into a moral victory.
Two other writers wrote:
The large crowd of 7,000 booed Referee Tom Louttit's decision for five minutes after arms of both gladiators were raised.
Although officially declared a draw, every sports writer and the majority of the spectators thought Firpo the winner. The once wild-swinging unorthodox Firpo, nee Guido Bardelli, is now a shifting, sharpshooting demon who had the Negro on the verge of a K.O. several times in the bout.
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Early in 1934, Young Firpo and Maxie Rosenbloom signed to fight for the light heavyweight championship, the match to take place in Portland during the Summer. As reported in a Butte, Montana, newspaper, the following captured the high regard Firpo was held by a legion of boxing writers:
"Young Firpo, light heavyweight champion of the Pacific Coast, rated in the February issue of the boxing magazine as being the seventh greatest 170 pounder in the world, arrived in Butte from his home in Idaho yesterday to visit with his trainer, Mel Epstein. Firpo is signed to fight Maxie Rosenbloom for the title this summer at Multnomah Stadium in Portland, Ore. The bout is scheduled to go 15 rounds and will be the first title bout ever held in the coast city.
Many sports writers of the Pacific Coast who have seen the Idaho miner in action give him an even chance to take Rosenbloom's crown. A terrific puncher with an unorthodox style of milling, Firpo has become the most sought-after fighter in the West.
The Wild Bull of Idaho holds two wins over Leo Lomski, stopped Wesley Ketchell, Roy Williams, and George Manley while he also defeated Tom Patrick, and George Dixon, besides
a score of other first class fighters.


Firpo will remain in Butte for several weeks and will start light training here in a few days for pending bouts in Minneapolis, St. Louis and Chicago. Plans are afoot to have Firpo fight one of the world's best light heavies here this month."''


Young Firpo (left) & Fred Lenhart
Tragically, a disagreement over Firpo's percentage of the gate receipts lead to the cancellation of what would have been a classic match between the "terrific puncher" and a stylist --- the relentless slugging and blinding speed of Young Firpo against the defensive wizardry of title holder "Slapsy" Maxie Rosenbloom. Later in the year, in the spring of 1934, while enroute to Butte, Montana, to fight Gorilla Jones, Young Firpo was involved in a life threatening car wreck where he suffered serious injuries. At the time, the injuries, which hampered him for the balance of his career, were thought to signify the end of his ring career. He was hospitalized and following his release from the hospital, he sought to recuperate within the beloved and rugged mountains enveloping his home in Burke, Idaho. As he started to get his strength back by the late summer of 1934, the Portland Boxing establishment sought again to match Rosenbloom and Young Firpo.
The fight was to be a non-title affair although, Firpo's Pacific Coast title was to be on the line. Again, inexplicably, the fight fell through. Instead, the Portland establishment offered Firpo a "tune-up" fight with none other than Tiger Jack Fox, who had made a name for himself in the boxing world. Firpo ducked none and accepted the challenge and put his coast Light Heavyweight championship on the line against Fox who entered the fight as a heavy favorite due to Firpo's injuries and inactivity as well as the sensational punching display made on the coast by the Tiger, John Linwood Fox.
Firpo, however, rose to the challenge and in an epic August 28,1934, slugfest, which saw both fighters on the canvas in the 5th round, Firpo successfully defended his title against Fox who also has gone on to be generally recognized as one of the all time great Light Heavyweights in the history of boxing.
The Portland Oregonian described the fifth round in the following manner: "Firpo was the first to be knocked down. Firp has just crashed an awful left to Fox's face. The colored man suddenly retaliated with a savage rush in which his long arms swung like pistons, throwing fearful punches to Firpo's face and stomach. A right to the chin sent Firpo to his haunches near the ropes. Almost instantly, and before the referee could count, Firpo had bobbed up again--and the Bull came up fighting. As he rose his arms were flailing. A left and right smashed Tiger Jack on the chin, and in turn he sank to the floor. Fox also was up almost instantly but not until Referee Louttit had tolled a count of one over him. Fox at once rushed Firpo to the ropes. In a wild clinch there he bent the Burke miner's body backwards until it looked as though he would break him in two. Referee Louttit dashed in and pried them apart, then gave Fox a vigorous warning for rough battling. The sensational round was not yet over. Firpo charged Fox and belted him an awful left to the chin.
He bobbed to the floor in his famous crouch, shut up again swinging, and a right half knocked and half pushed Fox through the ropes and to his haunches. Referee Louttit evidently considered it a shove rather than a punch for he helped Fox to his feet and did not count. Just at the bell, Firpo uncorked a fierce right to Fox's belly.... On the score by rounds, Firpo took five, Fox three and two were even including the tenth."
The Portland, Oregon, boxing establishment was excited in believing, seemingly, that Firpo had lost little of the greatness that he exhibited prior to his being injured in the car accident while traveling to Butte.
Another challenger to Firpo's Pacific Coast title emerged out of Phoenix, Arizona by way of San Francisco. This was the sensational teenage conqueror of the then Light Heavyweight Champion of the World, Maxie Rosenbloom, none other than John Henry Lewis. Lewis on his march to the World Light Heavyweight title and ultimate recognition as one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time, challenged Firpo and the Wild Bull heartily accepted Lewis's challenge for a shot at Firpo's Pacific Coast title.
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If you watch the DVD of Requiem for Heavyweight,
(On the Golden Age of Television series dvd's)
the version that was broadcast live in 1955,
and recorded on kinescope.
starring Jack Palance as Mountain McClintock.
There is a scene in a boxing bar,of Max Baer and Max Rosenbloom
talking and Rosenbloom throws a punch in the air
(Jack Palance looks like he was about to bust out laughing).
Sadly that just may be the closest thing to ever seeing Maxie Rosenbloom
throw a punch that now exists on film).
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Brutu wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I was telling Jaclem that my Father (born in 1913, passed in 1989) described him as "Slicker than hog snot on a door knob". His record seems to back it up. He also described him as "No Punch just Panache".


Any filmed record of this guy? Other than as an entertainer?
I dont know of any actual bouts that were filmed of Max Rosenbloom in the ring.
Perhaps the closest of seeing how he fought would be in any of the many movies he made from 1933-1969.
I read where he plays himself as a boxer in the film,
SLAPSIE MAXIE'S(1939)
I have never seen that particular movie or know if it was ever released on video.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0742438
I just wonder in all the movies and television appearences
that he did between 1933-1969.
How many of them did he play a boxer fighting in the ring?
If so,do these films even still exist?
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i have at least one film in which he plays a boxer and you can get a bit of a line on his style from it. its interesting imo.
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klompton wrote:i have at least one film in which he plays a boxer and you can get a bit of a line on his style from it. its interesting imo.


Mind if ask what the name of the film is? Was it a feature, or perhaps a short? Year it was produced? Studio that produced it? Just curious.
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its a feature called the kid from kokomo. i dont know all the other details.
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Here is a link to the Columbia short film starring Max Bar and Max Rosenbloom.
THE CHAMPS STEP OUT(1951)

Part One

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WOXzWvYH_rQ


Part Two

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7Jn6rB6KV0
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In November 1936,a Hollywood promoter offered Joe Louis a $100,000 guarantee,
if he would fight Max Rosenbloom at the Hollywood Legion Stadium
in February 1937.
I don't remember why it never happened,but most likely it would have been filmed.
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Not sure if this old thread got bumped or not but he's in a Mr Moto film (which originally started out as Charlie Chan at Ringside) but bizarrely isn't boxing (but appears to be punch drunk).
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Trailer of Mr. Moto's Gamble(1938)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz82sPp8V4U
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