Ken Norton V

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 23 Apr 2010, 06:22

Lennox Lewis

Evander Holyfield

Tommy Morrison

Wlad Klitschko

Oliver McCall

David Tua

Chris Byrd

Trevor Berbick

Tim Witherspoon

I have him going 5-4.

jrc26 · Post by **jrc26** » 23 Apr 2010, 06:47

Lennox Lewis-best match on the board IMO. Lewis in an exciting and close decision.

Evander Holyfield-Norton UD

Tommy Morrison-Unless Tommy lands a bomb early...Norton TKO-6

Wlad Klitschko-Klitschko jabs/grabs his way to decision.

Oliver McCall-Norton KO4

David Tua-Even though Norton is 5x the fighter I am picturing Norton in a heap against Shavers,Cooney, and Foreman. Tua KO3

Chris Byrd-Norton TKO9

Trevor Berbick-Norton Decision

Tim Witherspoon-Norton Decision

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Apr 2010, 07:24

Lennox Lewis, by KO inside of 5

Evander Holyfield, loses a UD to Norton

Tommy Morrison, gets stopped inside of 4

Wlad Klitschko. This ones a tough call, because Wlad can crack. But I think Kenny catches him first and scores a TKO between 3 and 5. Wlad just fights too timid to land with enough force to stop Norton.

Oliver McCall loses a wide UD

David Tua stops Norton mid rounds after losing every round.

Chris Byrd gets hammered and stopped between 6 and 9.

Trevor Berbick loses a competitive UD.

Tim Witherspoon. Spoon starts off well, but fades late and loses a UD.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 23 Apr 2010, 08:07

I had him losing to Lewis, Holy, Klit, and the best version of Spoon.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Apr 2010, 08:09

ThatOne wrote:I had him losing to Lewis, Holy, Klit, and the best version of Spoon.

Well, those are all fights that he could lose.

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 23 Apr 2010, 08:11

Lennox Lewis WINS SD

Evander Holyfield LOSES SD

Tommy Morrison LOSES TKO 9

Wlad Klitschko WINS TKO 10

Oliver McCall LOSES UD

David Tua LOSES 6 ON POINTS AND WINS 4 BY KO

Chris Byrd LOSES UD

Trevor Berbick LOSES TKO 11

Tim Witherspoon DRAW

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 23 Apr 2010, 09:23

Norton was great at parrying a jab. Had great stamina. Had an awkward left hook where others had a jab. And, despite some early stoppages, once he got past the first few he could fight all night.

On the other hand he could only fight one way and was susceptible to big punchers early in a fight.

His output is just too much for Berbick and Mccall. He would nullify Witherspoon's jab and beat him on points. Same for Byrd.

He's more likely to beat Morrison than lose to him but it would be a nice mesh of styles. Norton is a clear favourite but Morrison has a chance.

Tua could clean people out early if he can get to them. He would have a good chance at getting to Ken, though Ken is clearly the better fighter.

Wlad is 50-50. Like John L says it's a close one to call.

Lewis struggles with Ken. I really think this would be a come from behind KO for Lewis but if he can't manage it then Norton would win a close decision or score a late stoppage.

Holyfield at his best would edge Ken on pts in a give and take shoot out.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 23 Apr 2010, 11:00

Norton would take out Klitschko early . . .Wlad doesn't fight nearly aggressive enough to do a Foreman on him.

Lewis KO3 Norton-I think they'd split fights though, good matchup

Norton UD Holyfield

Norton TKO 5 Morrison

Norton KO2 Klitschko

Norton UD Tua -Norton was far better than Rahman and it's not like Hasim had a better chin

Norton UD MCall

Norton TKO10 Byrd

Norton UD Berbick

Going 8-1 . . his ablity vs big punchers is wholly under-rated due to one fight vs a peak Foreman and then two fights past his best vs Shavers and Cooney. Futch's assertion that Norton 'froze' is a myth, but it seems to have become commonly taken as fact

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 23 Apr 2010, 11:06

dempseyfire wrote:Norton would take out Klitschko early . . .Wlad doesn't fight nearly aggressive enough to do a Foreman on him.

Lewis KO3 Norton-I think they'd split fights though, good matchup

Norton UD Holyfield

Norton TKO 5 Morrison

Norton KO2 Klitschko

Norton UD Tua -Norton was far better than Rahman and it's not like Hasim had a better chin

Norton UD MCall

Norton TKO10 Byrd

Norton UD Berbick

Going 8-1 . . his ablity vs big punchers is wholly under-rated due to one fight vs a peak Foreman and then two fights past his best vs Shavers and Cooney. Futch's assertion that Norton 'froze' is a myth, but it seems to have become commonly taken as fact

Would you consider him a slow starter? In some fights he took shots late on that he shook off. Some guys are susceptible early on.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Apr 2010, 11:15

dempseyfire wrote:Going 8-1 . . his ablity vs big punchers is wholly under-rated due to one fight vs a peak Foreman and then two fights past his best vs Shavers and Cooney. Futch's assertion that Norton 'froze' is a myth, but it seems to have become commonly taken as fact

I don't think it had anything to do with him freezing either, Norton just didn't want to seem to adapt his gameplan regardless of who he fought. Your comment on Rahman did make me rethink; at least for a minute. But as clumsy and limited as Rahman is/was, I still think he showed more ability to fight a hard puncher during his better years than Norton did. I remember watching the Shavers-Norton fight expecting a pretty good scrap, until Norton started trying to push Shavers backwards. But I guess that's how he liked to fight, and he just wasn't going to try anything different even if King Kong was in the other corner.

We seem to agree on most of these, but I would expect that Norton would have fought Tua the only way he knew how, and the flawed Tua could hit someone who stood in front of him. In retrospect, maybe Norton goes quicker than my earlier prediction.

You're spot on with the Wlad fight. If he tried to jab, move and clinch against Norton, he would go down. Perhaps the earlier, more vulnerable Wlad would have had a much better chance. The one who still had his balls and fought more aggresively. That Wlad would have been a pick'em with Norton. The "new and improved" Wlad gets stomped.

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 23 Apr 2010, 12:05

jrc26 wrote:Lennox Lewis-best match on the board IMO. Lewis in an exciting and close decision.

Evander Holyfield-Norton UD

Tommy Morrison-Unless Tommy lands a bomb early...Norton TKO-6

Wlad Klitschko-Klitschko jabs/grabs his way to decision.

Oliver McCall-Norton KO4
David Tua-Even though Norton is 5x the fighter I am picturing Norton in a heap against Shavers,Cooney, and Foreman. Tua KO3

Chris Byrd-Norton TKO9

Trevor Berbick-Norton Decision

Tim Witherspoon-Norton Decision

Can u explain how Norton KOs McCall in 4?

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 23 Apr 2010, 12:13

I'd favor Holyfield & Spoon, Lennox is 50/50. Norton is a substantial favorite over the rest

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Apr 2010, 12:15

gambler49 wrote:Can u explain how Norton KOs McCall in 4?

Maybe he meant TKO by nervous breakdown.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 23 Apr 2010, 13:37

The Great John L wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:Going 8-1 . . his ablity vs big punchers is wholly under-rated due to one fight vs a peak Foreman and then two fights past his best vs Shavers and Cooney. Futch's assertion that Norton 'froze' is a myth, but it seems to have become commonly taken as fact
I don't think it had anything to do with him freezing either, Norton just didn't want to seem to adapt his gameplan regardless of who he fought. Your comment on Rahman did make me rethink; at least for a minute. But as clumsy and limited as Rahman is/was, I still think he showed more ability to fight a hard puncher during his better years than Norton did. I remember watching the Shavers-Norton fight expecting a pretty good scrap, until Norton started trying to push Shavers backwards. But I guess that's how he liked to fight, and he just wasn't going to try anything different even if King Kong was in the other corner.

We seem to agree on most of these, but I would expect that Norton would have fought Tua the only way he knew how, and the flawed Tua could hit someone who stood in front of him. In retrospect, maybe Norton goes quicker than my earlier prediction.

You're spot on with the Wlad fight. If he tried to jab, move and clinch against Norton, he would go down. Perhaps the earlier, more vulnerable Wlad would have had a much better chance. The one who still had his balls and fought more aggresively. That Wlad would have been a pick'em with Norton. The "new and improved" Wlad gets stomped.

He didn't try to push Shavers back, he allowed himself to go to the ropes and in effect tried to 'rope-a-dope' Shavers, which made logistical sense concerning Shavers stamina issues but in retrospect was a bad idea.

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 23 Apr 2010, 13:49

The Great John L wrote:
gambler49 wrote:Can u explain how Norton KOs McCall in 4?
Maybe he meant TKO by nervous breakdown.

LOL....

But.. These matches assume PRIME vs PRIME

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Apr 2010, 15:02

gambler49 wrote:
The Great John L wrote:
gambler49 wrote:Can u explain how Norton KOs McCall in 4?
Maybe he meant TKO by nervous breakdown.
LOL....

But.. These matches assume PRIME vs PRIME

Well even in your prime you can get stressed out.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 23 Apr 2010, 15:21

In addition, Norton did do well vs a number of punchers: Kirkman, Stander, Bobick, Quarry, Garcia (rematch, and look at that fight, despite his record when 'on' for a fight the guy was a skilled and dangerous fighter). even O'Halloran and Lovell . . all those guys could bang. And Ali and Holmes when they sat down on their punches were no feather-dusters either.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 25 Apr 2010, 09:58

Lennox Lewis KO6 Norton - good matchup, but I think Lewis wins this 2 times out of 3.

Evander Holyfield MD12 Norton - could go either way

Norton KO7 Tommy Morrison

Norton TKO5 Wlad Klitschko - Wlad perhaps has the ability to put Norton away, but has never proven it against a top opponent

Norton UD15 Oliver McCall

Norton UD15 David Tua

Norton TKO9 Chris Byrd

Norton TKO10 Trevor Berbick

Norton UD15 Tim Witherspoon

gambler49 · Post by **gambler49** » 25 Apr 2010, 20:47

dempseyfire wrote:Norton would take out Klitschko early . . .Wlad doesn't fight nearly aggressive enough to do a Foreman on him.

Lewis KO3 Norton-I think they'd split fights though, good matchup

Norton UD Holyfield

Norton TKO 5 Morrison

Norton KO2 Klitschko

Norton UD Tua -Norton was far better than Rahman and it's not like Hasim had a better chin

Norton UD MCall

Norton TKO10 Byrd

Norton UD Berbick

Going 8-1 . . his ablity vs big punchers is wholly under-rated due to one fight vs a peak Foreman and then two fights past his best vs Shavers and Cooney. Futch's assertion that Norton 'froze' is a myth, but it seems to have become commonly taken as fact

U misssed out Spoon...

Bricks · Post by **Bricks** » 29 Apr 2010, 06:31

Im using Ken Norton of 1976 the one who fought Ali.

Evander Holyfield .Great high octane fight Norton Wpts12 in a classic.

Tommy Morrison. Norton easily kayoes Morrison in 7

Wlad Klitschko. Wladimir w12 but he takes a terrible beating to his face and looks like foreman against stewart.

Oliver McCall .Norton W12

David Tua. Norton W12

Chris Byrd Norton W12

Trevor Berbick .Norton WTko 9

Tim Witherspoon -Witherspoon W12

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