FROCH THREATENING TO WALK AWAY

[Finch]

He got found out last night but it was only a matter of time.

Were me and you watching the same fight Finchy? I thought Froch was well in the fight and you could argue for a Froch win. Given the quality of competitor, location, atmosphere and circumstance (flights etc marring the last week of preparation) I think Froch gave a good account of himself and will come back strong to really challenge for this tournament.

Probably not, i had it 8-4 or 7-5 (at the very worst) for Kessler.

Froch was very negative, spend all night on the back foot and just threw wild, punch drunk, single shots. He couldn't cope with Kessler's work rate or aggressive style.

As i say, it was only a matter of time before he fought someone who didn't blow out in the last 14 seconds or give him a dodgy hometown decision ala Dirrell.

Thought it was a clear easy night's work for the judges to be fair.

[Spud]

Rumours are Froch and Hennessy are close to splitting anyway.

I will be stunned if that happens.

If he walks away from Hennessy he will have to find a new trainer as Robert McCracken would not train Froch without the consent of Hennessy.

They are all too close for it to happen - mind you I keep getting remind "never say never in boxing".

[Autobarn]

Froch would be mad to walk away from the Super 6.

He was on the radio earlier this week, moaning about the 'death' of boxing & the non existence of it on free-to-air TV in the UK.

If he were to walk away from this tournament, he'd have even less chance of getting on ANY kind of TV in Britain.

froch would be reviled in boxing. super 6, something to give boxing a boost. and froch - after a gallant, thrilling defeat - being known as the man who messed up the super6, just as it got going.

even him saying these words will get him ridiculed by the internet malcontents (to borrow KG's phrase) for the next 6 months. if froch can wriggle out of super 6, i would think showtime will eat him. HBO already have their own super middle (bute) and there isn't enough TV coverage for the top british fighters. where else is there for froch?

i can see why froch is pissed off. his title and unbeaten record are gone. he's not in a situation where his promoter can bring him back quick time (ala warren reviving khan's career v barrera and kotelnik) with the "right" fight. sauerland are trying to fvck him over re the location.

if someone else tried to pull out of super 6, i think froch would have harsh words for them.no doubt he is stinging right now, but i hope he comes to his senses. if need be, box with more sense, keep AA on the end of that jab, work him over when he takes a break -whether it's in england or germany. how about a neutral location?

[gobbles]

Do you think if Warren had promoted Froch, that Tilleman would have been approved as a judge?

[damianhucker1]

Do you think if Warren had promoted Froch, that Tilleman would have been approved as a judge?

wouldnt have had much choice as if i remember rightly the judges had to be switched quite late due to all the icelandic volcano business.

[leforge]

Don't think froch would go to warren!

[gobbles]

Do you think if Warren had promoted Froch, that Tilleman would have been approved as a judge?

Do you think Froch won?

no

[The Special One]

Froch apparently has a multi million dollar contract ( according to the latest boxing news) so he wonlt be going anywhere.

[gobbles]

Froch apparently has a multi million dollar contract ( according to the latest boxing news) so he wonlt be going anywhere.

With who? Hennessy or Showtime?

[Spud]

Froch apparently has a multi million dollar contract ( according to the latest boxing news) so he wonlt be going anywhere.

All heavily reliant on TV and the Super 6.

And - in addition contracts have always got clauses in - in case of a loss.

[The Special One]

Froch apparently has a multi million dollar contract ( according to the latest boxing news) so he wonlt be going anywhere.

All heavily reliant on TV and the Super 6.

And - in addition contracts have always got clauses in - in case of a loss.

I would imagine the 'multi million dollar' contract isd dependant on getting through to stage 2 and eventually winning it - he would be getting $500K a fight in my opinion? I heard Dirrell was and Dirrell is not a big draw or former or current world champ.

[jizzle]

Thing is, I can see where Arthur and Carl are coming from.

Arthur believes he was the victim of a dodgy referee and a conman.

Carl believes that the fight was far closer and that he edged it - whilst Tilleman scored it in a manner that we all predicted, especially as he is totally in the German paymaster's pocket.

Maybe they need a neutral venue in Spain, have American judges and then get it on.

Stick it on the undercard of another SuperSix fight in America...In fact wouldn't it be cool to have all three final rounds on the same card on the same night??

[crusader]

Hope Froch gets his way, there is no way in the world he gets a fair crack at Abraham in Germany.

The thing is. Abraham wouldn`t get a fair crack in England either ... home decisions are more common in Britain than germany nowadays. Froch said as much last night. I can see why both guys favour the home draw.

Based on what? Prove that isn't just your opinion.

Is your opinion that England has better judging?

And if Froch walks away from this he has lost some of my respect. He has fought in America and Denmark and the judges (with the exception of one) all had scored the bout fairly, infact one of the judges in his fight with Taylor had him well ahead. The only controversial decsion Froch has gotten was in his backyard, where he will only fight next and where he would have supposedly won a decision over Kessler. I wonder if AA will withdraw if he has to go to England. I have not seen anything to suggest the officiating in Germany nowadays is much worse than what I have seen in England lately.

[liamlion]

Thing is, I can see where Arthur and Carl are coming from.

Arthur believes he was the victim of a dodgy referee and a conman.

Carl believes that the fight was far closer and that he edged it - whilst Tilleman scored it in a manner that we all predicted, especially as he is totally in the German paymaster's pocket.

Maybe they need a neutral venue in Spain, have American judges and then get it on.

Stick it on the undercard of another SuperSix fight in America...In fact wouldn't it be cool to have all three final rounds on the same card on the same night??

Wouldnt make financial sense though. And in the end, the dollar dictates all.

[Bomber 1]

It'll probably end up in Germany with Froch recieving his biggest ever purse... Money talks and Im pretty sure Carl will go were the ££££ is!!! I said this tournament wouldn't be good for him!! Ward does not have to travel!!! Money talks and the this is a showtime show and there fighters will be favoured.. Im just happy that all the fighters involved will become rich men and be rememberd for a long time for taking part in such a prestigious tournament, I really do have to hand it to Carl Froch!! Pascal,Taylor,Dirrell and now Kessler!!! This guy has faced REAL hard competition at every stage..

[Rixxy]

Froch isn't the least bit of a hype job. If anything he hasn't been hyped enough.

Incorrect.

He lost to Taylor but got lucky, he lost to Dirrell but got lucky, he lost to Kessler pretty convincingly.

He has no defence, no boxing skills, no ring craft, just a strong chin who swings wildly like a drunk coming out of a pub.

He got found out last night but it was only a matter of time.

Am i missing the point of a twelve round fight here. i dont think it matters if a fight is stopped in the first round of the last 5 seconds of the twelve, the ko came as Taylor was too tired (not because froch caught him with a lucky punch)

With no defence, no boxing skills, no ring craft, just a strong chin who swings wildly like a drunk coming out of a pub, he somehow managed to become the WBC supermiddle weight champion (or was that just pure luck too?)

He got found out by one of, if not the best supermiddle weight fighter in the world, who is unbeaten at Denmark.....oh god really found out!

[Finch]

Froch isn't the least bit of a hype job. If anything he hasn't been hyped enough.

Incorrect.

He lost to Taylor but got lucky, he lost to Dirrell but got lucky, he lost to Kessler pretty convincingly.

He has no defence, no boxing skills, no ring craft, just a strong chin who swings wildly like a drunk coming out of a pub.

He got found out last night but it was only a matter of time.

Am i missing the point of a twelve round fight here. i dont think it matters if a fight is stopped in the first round of the last 5 seconds of the twelve, the ko came as Taylor was too tired (not because froch caught him with a lucky punch)

With no defence, no boxing skills, no ring craft, just a strong chin who swings wildly like a drunk coming out of a pub, he somehow managed to become the WBC supermiddle weight champion (or was that just pure luck too?)

He got found out by one of, if not the best supermiddle weight fighter in the world, who is unbeaten at Denmark.....oh god really found out!

You're not missing the point; Froch has got lucky but his luck ran out last night.

[skelp]

Froch should become self promoted, like his friend David Haye. At least that way he will get more money. But, if it's true that Abraham will only fight in Germany, then its save to say AA wins by UD 120-108 right now.

[Finn]

Why should the fight be held in britain Froch isnt a world champion. Frochs already said "He would have won if it was in Nottingham" - is froch now only going to fight out of nottingham.

In reality AA can pull a big crowd in Germany - Froch couldnt fill the MEN or the 02 - his only hope would be to fight in his hometown or Newcastle (we all know thats the home of professional fansin britain).

[Autobarn]

It'll probably end up in Germany with Froch recieving his biggest ever purse... Money talks and Im pretty sure Carl will go were the ££££ is!!! I said this tournament wouldn't be good for him!! Ward does not have to travel!!! Money talks and the this is a showtime show and there fighters will be favoured.. Im just happy that all the fighters involved will become rich men and be rememberd for a long time for taking part in such a prestigious tournament, I really do have to hand it to Carl Froch!! Pascal,Taylor,Dirrell and now Kessler!!! This guy has faced REAL hard competition at every stage..

yeah, even if abraham is froch's last fight in the super 6, it should pay nicely.

if froch pulls out, he'd be an absolute boxing outcast and i'm sure the fans will ridicule him the world over. in spite of his gruelling run of big fights (3 of which are maybe the best super middleweight fights ever), i don't think he'd live it down, and without a title i can't see what opportunities he'd get.

i don't think froch will pull out. but i wish someone had kept him quiet while he was feeling maybe a bit raw.

hopefulyl these 2 desperate fighters will settle it in the ring and produce an even better fight than last night's.

[leforge]

Froch if he pulled out and left hennessey would get offers his sells tickets in nottingham only haye who active sells more. I don't think he pull out though.

[Spud]

I really do not understand all of this talk of Froch walking away from Hennessy.

Whilst I acknowledge Hennessy does not have a lot of TV at present - only through Matchroom - I remain convinced Hennessy has done bloody well for Froch from the very outset of his career. I also find it refreshing to see that Froch has stood by Hennessy when times are hard and he has let his fists do the talking in the ring - his only defeat is to an exceptional boxer in Mikkel Kessler.

I sincerely hope Froch does the right thing and sticks by the very person who has done so well for him thus far in his career - Hennessy signed up Froch to the Super 6, Hennessy has delivered titles to Froch throughout his career - the only thing that has gone wrong is TV - yes part of the blame to Hennessy but surely TV are also to blame.

Remember the Pascal fight - and now will remember the Kessler fight - Froch is still a world class operator.

[liamlion]

Based on what? Prove that isn't just your opinion.

Is your opinion that England has better judging?

And if Froch walks away from this he has lost some of my respect. He has fought in America and Denmark and the judges (with the exception of one) all had scored the bout fairly, infact one of the judges in his fight with Taylor had him well ahead. The only controversial decsion Froch has gotten was in his backyard, where he will only fight next and where he would have supposedly won a decision over Kessler. I wonder if AA will withdraw if he has to go to England. I have not seen anything to suggest the officiating in Germany nowadays is much worse than what I have seen in England lately.

I don't think it's better here than anywhere else, that's my point. Bad judging is universal. But I would like to know what he bases 'home decisions are more common in Britain than germany nowadays' on.

I think 'bad' judging stems from the hospitality the home promoter serves up. Clearly British promoters put on a great stay for their judges

[forcefraser]

Froch isn't the least bit of a hype job. If anything he hasn't been hyped enough.

Incorrect.

He lost to Taylor but got lucky, he lost to Dirrell but got lucky, he lost to Kessler pretty convincingly.

He has no defence, no boxing skills, no ring craft, just a strong chin who swings wildly like a drunk coming out of a pub.

He got found out last night but it was only a matter of time.

When did Froch lose to Taylor?? A fight is over 12 rounds and if I remember correctly Froch stopped Taylor in the 12th round in one of the best finishes I have ever witnessed.

[Deserter]

I remain convinced Hennessy has done bloody well for Froch from the very outset of his career.