Ali (1982) vs Valuev (2009)

[gambler49]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

[Shazam!]

*laugh* you're a funny fukker. Like many, Ali's one of my favourite ever boxers, but I voted for Valuev. Sacrilege I know.

Valuev's not easy to beat. The greatness of Ali is that even a totally shot version still gives most heavyweights a run for their money but I see Valuev edging what could only be a horrible fight.

[Goodnight, Irene]

*laugh* you're a funny fukker. Like many, Ali's one of my favourite ever boxers, but I voted for Valuev. Sacrilege I know.

Valuev's not easy to beat. The greatness of Ali is that even a totally shot version still gives most heavyweights a run for their money but I see Valuev edging what could only be a horrible fight.

Before a fossilised & punch-drunk Holyfield (morally) decisioned Valuev, I'd have agreed with you. Maybe I still do, but I'm no longer sure.

I always knew Valuev was a joke, but the true depths of his ineffectual incompetence were revealed to me when he was awarded a gift against a so-far-gone Holyfield, I would have picked Manny Pacquiao to move up to HW & beat him.

[dempseyfire]

Ali would lose a decision in an AWFUL fight.

[Syntax Error]

Ali didn't fight after 1981, so there is no form to judge him on.

I dread to think how a man suffering with the early stages of Parkinson's Syndrome would have fared against anybody.

It's an awful thought.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Ali didn't fight after 1981, so there is no form to judge him on.

I dread to think how a man suffering with the early stages of Parkinson's Syndrome would have fared against anybody.

It's an awful thought.

No, it isn't. Valuev is that incompetent.

[Bricks]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Im usually the first to respond to these type of threads but this is not a serious proposition.

Ali by 1982 was already impaired by the first signs of Parkinsons.

How about we do a match up of Esteban De Jesus 1988 when he had early signs of AIDS with Hector Camacho 1985?

Sorry i dont mean to be offensive to you but c'mon lets not make fun of Valuev or Ali.

[overhand_right]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Interesting to see you find a man sliding into disability 'fun'.

Let's hope you never become seriously ill & everybody finds it 'fun'.

Do you enjoy snuff films as well?

Sad weird man.

[gambler49]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Interesting to see you find a man sliding into disability 'fun'.

Let's hope you never become seriously ill & everybody finds it 'fun'.

Do you enjoy snuff films as well?

Sad weird man.

Ali was sparring wiv Spoon at this point and he was still a force. He still had summin left. I think apart from Primo Carnera that Valuev was the worst HW champ evrer! And I r8 Ali as the greateat HW champ ever.
UNO life is a beech truss me. U need 2 have sum sense of humor. And if I cum ill I will handle it like a MAN.

[ThatOne]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Interesting to see you find a man sliding into disability 'fun'.

Let's hope you never become seriously ill & everybody finds it 'fun'.

Do you enjoy snuff films as well?

Sad weird man.

Ali was sparring wiv Spoon at this point and he was still a force. He still had summin left. I think apart from Primo Carnera that Valuev was the worst HW champ evrer! And I r8 Ali as the greateat HW champ ever.
UNO life is a beech truss me. U need 2 have sum sense of humor. And if I cum ill I will handle it like a MAN.

The sparring was King's idea to build the gate for Spoon's coming fight. I saw an interview with Witherspoon where he expressed deep regret for hitting a "sick man" and especially for hitting a man with Parkinson's Syndrome in the head.

[Bricks]

Interesting to see you find a man sliding into disability 'fun'.

Let's hope you never become seriously ill & everybody finds it 'fun'.

Do you enjoy snuff films as well?

Sad weird man.

Ali was sparring wiv Spoon at this point and he was still a force. He still had summin left. I think apart from Primo Carnera that Valuev was the worst HW champ evrer! And I r8 Ali as the greateat HW champ ever.
UNO life is a beech truss me. U need 2 have sum sense of humor. And if I cum ill I will handle it like a MAN.

The sparring was King's idea to build the gate for Spoon's coming fight. I saw an interview with Witherspoon where he expressed deep regret for hitting a "sick man" and especially for hitting a man with Parkinson's Syndrome in the head.

Don King reduced Ali to a hollow almost bankrupt shell by the end of the 80's. Thank goodness the 96 olympics and the internet era have given Ali his rightful due financially and ethically

[ThatOne]

Ali was sparring wiv Spoon at this point and he was still a force. He still had summin left. I think apart from Primo Carnera that Valuev was the worst HW champ evrer! And I r8 Ali as the greateat HW champ ever.
UNO life is a beech truss me. U need 2 have sum sense of humor. And if I cum ill I will handle it like a MAN.

The sparring was King's idea to build the gate for Spoon's coming fight. I saw an interview with Witherspoon where he expressed deep regret for hitting a "sick man" and especially for hitting a man with Parkinson's Syndrome in the head.

Don King reduced Ali to a hollow almost bankrupt shell by the end of the 80's. Thank goodness the 96 olympics and the internet era have given Ali his rightful due financially and ethically

Tim was one of Ali's sparring partners for the Holmes fight. It would be interesting to hear Tim talk about how Ali really looked in camp. There's video of him struggling to hit the speed bag.

[Bricks]

im sure the recent documentary on espn america which aired in the UK 6-7 weeks ago showed Ali sparring Witherspoon. Im 99% certain it did, and if i recall ali looked poor altho im sure he was also letting tim hit him to get himself ready.

[Jaywheel]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Not really, really not.

[ThatOne]

im sure the recent documentary on espn america which aired in the UK 6-7 weeks ago showed Ali sparring Witherspoon. Im 99% certain it did, and if i recall ali looked poor altho im sure he was also letting tim hit him to get himself ready.

Tim looked like he weighed 170 pounds. There were points in Ali's career where he should have definitely retired; especially after his good bye fight with Jean Pierre Coopman. He would have been 50-2 with no unavenged defeats and his fans wouldn't have to defend his hotly contested decisions over Young, Norton, and Shavers.

[gambler49]

I kno its fkd up, but it's fun.

Not really, really not.

LOL!

[Bricks]

im sure the recent documentary on espn america which aired in the UK 6-7 weeks ago showed Ali sparring Witherspoon. Im 99% certain it did, and if i recall ali looked poor altho im sure he was also letting tim hit him to get himself ready.

Tim looked like he weighed 170 pounds. There were points in Ali's career where he should have definitely retired; especially after his good bye fight with Jean Pierre Coopman. He would have been 50-2 with no unavenged defeats and his fans wouldn't have to defend his hotly contested decisions over Young, Norton, and Shavers.

Indeed. I guess Ali had reached a point with his world wide globe trotting/don king promotions where the paydays available to him for easy fights were just too irresisitable.

Ali knew that someone Jou Louis and sugar Ray Robinson as great as him in the ring had both ended up broke and bereft. He knew there was an even longer list of former champions broke.

Ali didnt have the security he needed.

he had lost a lot of money to hangers on, divorces, taxes, failed business ventures (ali cologne anyone).

He was at this stage in his career (say 1975) living in an era where super lucrative sports endorsements for black men didnt really kick off for another 15 years.

Of course these days any z list celebrity no matter how fleeting their success is immortalised in the internet era of youtube and celebrity reality shows and cheap paydays.

It was only the Atlanta Olympics and the internet era with all of the image rights etc going
that gave Ali his due.

So sad Sugar Ray and Joe Louis didnt live to see the same