Ron Lyle

[ThatOne]

Ali was down one point on one card and even on another. That was a 10-8 round. He would have been up on two cards going into the twelfth.

[granberry]

Yeah.

And Ali "won" the Jimmy Young fight.

LOL

The referee gave Young 3 rounds out of the 15.

Standard officiating for Ali and his farcical career.

[ThatOne]

Maybe if Young had actually tried to make af fight out of it and not stick his head outside the ring six times there wouldn't have been a controversy.



LOL

[dberry]

I wonder if granberry's career was any less farcical? Or if he has even boxed? His bitterness makes me wonder if he doesn't rue a life that could have been.

[ThatOne]

I thought this thread was about Ron Lyle and not Jimmy Young or a certain poster's fictional or non-fictional boxing career.

[granberry]

In Ron Lyle's fight with Ali the 'officiating' was a farce:

Both the referee's actions

AND the voting of the judges.

Bur of course that was par for the course in Ali's career.

[Ezzard]

Overrated or underrated compared to whom?

I only saw Lyle live, in the flesh, in his Oklahoma City fight with Lou Bailey. I had the pleasure to assist Bobby Lewis in Lyle's corner that night. It is still amazing to me that the cautious guy I saw against Bailey became a lion against George Foreman and Ernie Shavers.

The problem with Lyle in the Bailey fight was that his confidence was completely shot by his loss to Quarry. I remember Bobby Lewis begging him between rounds to "open up and get this guy out of here." Not counting the two or three times Bailey went down from getting hit in the balls (Lyle fouled him several times in the fight), Bailey was down five or six times legitimately, but Lyle couldn't (or wouldn't) follow up. In a way, it was surreal to watch.

And the plan wasn't to carry Bailey. Lyle's management asked Pat O'Grady, the Oklahoma City promoter, to specifically match him with Bailey, whom they expected Lyle to easily and quickly knockout. They hoped a quick KO would help restore his confidence.

I'll never forget the fans booing Lyle when the decision was announced for his uninspired performance and deliberate fouls.

Some folks I knew in Denver told me that that whole year after the Quarry fight was not a good one for Lyle. He did not look good in his fights against Peralta, Jimmy Ellis, or Bonavena. I don't know; I didn't see them. But that's what I was told, and the negative comments were consistent with the fighter I saw in Oklahoma City.

My opinion is that the guy was a bit oif a head case, and had some real confidence issues following the loss to Quarry. Maybe his confidence was restored a bit by his impressive performance against Ali, which, in turn, resulted in those crowd pleasers against Shavers and Foreman.

I read recently that Lyle now claims he was jobbed in the Quarry and Young fights, and had won 9 out of 10 rounds against Ali. Sounds like the guy is in serious denial. . .

Thanks for sharing, Ray

[Robinson]

That was a good read Ray. Thank you for sharing such memories.

[ebeneezer]

ebeneezer has failed to notice that this thread is about Ron Lyle.

Which is why you started talking about Jimmy Young .

How was Young vs Cooney fixed?

[ThatOne]

ebeneezer has failed to notice that this thread is about Ron Lyle.

Which is why you started talking about Jimmy Young .

How was Young vs Cooney fixed?

Granberry never answers a question directly.

[yancey]

Fixated Ali worshipper TheOne trashes thread after thread with his stalking posts that never mention the topic of the thread he is posting on. Ali worshippers become desperate and hysterical when anyone questions the overblown pr of their media created hero.

The topic of this thread is RON LYLE.

"It Wasn't Kosher" Said Chickie Ferrara

Chickie Ferrara was interviewed immediately after the disputed stoppage of the Ali-Lyle title fight.

When he said "It wasn't kosher," Chickie Ferrara was not referring to the hot dogs they were selling at ringside that night.


WHO is Chickie Ferrara?

Here are a some quick grabs from Google:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-92582-chickie-ferrara.aspx

Chickie Ferrara was one of the greatest trainers & cutmen of all-time, and one of many who mentored trainers such as Angelo Dundee, and was used by Dundee as a cutman when he was available.

Ferrara trained many champions during his career including Dick Tiger and many others.


http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... -new-book/

Dundee, 84, recently co-wrote a book with Bert Sugar of his adventures in the world of pugilism called “My View from The Corner” . . .

“I learned from the best,” said Dundee who worked as a gopher in the beginning. “Chickie Ferrara was my teacher from day one.”

I already addressed your points, you doddering old fool. Now go regale your fellow residents at the state mental institution with your imagined conversations with boxing luminaries of the past and delivering beverages to dehydrated fighters.

You still didn't answer Ebenenezzer's question, liarberry


LOL

Interesting attitude from a self-described gentlemanly debater.

[ThatOne]

"Interesting attitude from a self-described gentlemanly debater."

-yancey

Gentlemanly is not synonymous with patsy. I don't think you would like to be called a "shill for Joe Frazier,", a "worshipper of Joe Frazier", "a member of the sappy religion of Joe Frazier" et cetera and that's why I never referred to you as such.

I admire people with passion. A person who doesn't believe in nothing will fall for anything.

[Darling]