Roy Jones Jr. Circa 1993 V Jake LaMotta Circa 1945

[ThatOne]

Who would win?

[Ezzard]

Using Robinson as a yard stick…

Robinson was better than peak Jones.
And Jones was not at his peak at 160.

But Jones was naturally bigger than Robinson.

Overall considering all fights between Ray and Jake were close I’d have to say that Jake wins this one.

[Grimm]

I feel Lamotta beat Robinson because of his huge size advantage.

If fighting Jones the size advantage would go to Jones as well as the speed and power advantage.

I think Jones would take this one without too much trouble . Jones in 1993 was not the gun shy old man. He would be catching Lamotta with some bombs.

Jones UD

[Ezzard]

I feel Lamotta beat Robinson because of his huge size advantage.

If fighting Jones the size advantage would go to Jones as well as the speed and power advantage.

I think Jones would take this one without too much trouble . Jones in 1993 was not the gun shy old man. He would be catching Lamotta with some bombs.

Jones UD

When Robinson was 160 the fights were still close. There's just no way it pans out like you say.

[gambler49]

Jones wins by KO in 2. Lamotta is out for 10 mins. (joking)
Jones UD.
How could Lamotta win this fight? Jones would't let him swarm him. LaMotta would land the odd shot on Jones chin. But Jake never had the 1 punch power to take advantage of his weak chin. He would just build a lead through the fight and Jake would then be looking for the KO which he wont get.

[Shazam!]

Jake's my man, but if it's the Roy Jones that outclassed a prime James Toney then I'm taking a Roy UD.

[Panzerfaust]

LaMotta all the way. You really cant compare the climates in wich they were fighting,competition = experience. experience=good.
RJJ is not close to a SRR. LaMotta was able to give SRR (a FAAAAR, FAAAR superior boxer to RJJ) some good fights. He would have a ball playing with RJJ.

LaMotta by onesided decicion

[jaclem2]

...just an added comment about a statement in a post.....robinson was never 160 when he fought lamotta.

[Ezzard]

Apologies, yes, he wasn't up to the MW limit in their final fight.

[Bricks]

Using Robinson as a yard stick…

Robinson was better than peak Jones.
And Jones was not at his peak at 160.

But Jones was naturally bigger than Robinson.

Overall considering all fights between Ray and Jake were close I’d have to say that Jake wins this one.

This is a very intelligent post. It reminds me you know pre the internet mass boxing forums era, and heck even mass forums, sometimes only have 10-15 articulate broadsheet quality writers, we used to have to read 1990's american boxing magazine questions such as this one, where typically 3 or 4 experts would be polled and in most cases they would give a lazy answer and say that the modern guy, who is at his peak at that time, would prevail.

I remember in the late 80's KO and World Boxing magazine were telling us Tyson was one of the 2-3 greatest HW's of all time.

By 1996 Ring magazine asked on a one page article who would have won at Super middle between Roy Jones Jnr and Tommy Hearns (assuming it was the Hearns of 1989-1990). They said Jones would stop Tommy in the 5th!

And about 6 years ago Ring magazine had a cover depicting ODL, Trinidad and Hopkins as this generations SRL, Hagler and Hearns. They said get this, at 160 Trinidad would kayo Hearns!

Idiots!

Anyway I digress

Lamotta wins this and he would also beat the Jones who was at super middle

[Ezzard]

Using Robinson as a yard stick…

Robinson was better than peak Jones.
And Jones was not at his peak at 160.

But Jones was naturally bigger than Robinson.

Overall considering all fights between Ray and Jake were close I’d have to say that Jake wins this one.

This is a very intelligent post. It reminds me you know pre the internet mass boxing forums era, and heck even mass forums, sometimes only have 10-15 articulate broadsheet quality writers, we used to have to read 1990's american boxing magazine questions such as this one, where typically 3 or 4 experts would be polled and in most cases they would give a lazy answer and say that the modern guy, who is at his peak at that time, would prevail.

I remember in the late 80's KO and World Boxing magazine were telling us Tyson was one of the 2-3 greatest HW's of all time.

By 1996 Ring magazine asked on a one page article who would have won at Super middle between Roy Jones Jnr and Tommy Hearns (assuming it was the Hearns of 1989-1990). They said Jones would stop Tommy in the 5th!

And about 6 years ago Ring magazine had a cover depicting ODL, Trinidad and Hopkins as this generations SRL, Hagler and Hearns. They said get this, at 160 Trinidad would kayo Hearns!

Idiots!

Anyway I digress

Lamotta wins this and he would also beat the Jones who was at super middle

Mugabi

Sounds like you spent the 1980s like me, pouring over American boxing magazines.

I have started to buy The Ring again. I want to support the sport in any way I can and I feel The Ring, no matter what guise, is a good way of doing this. The journalism is not what it was. It’s not bad but all magazines now have this spikey, irreverent way of writing. Back before the huge boom in consumer magazines the articles were generally written in a newspaper style but with a sort of rigorous, almost academic in its standards, adherence to proper arguments.

This has happened to all publications. There are some great boxing writers who are writing.

There are great fighters out there today and good ones and not so good ones, and they all deserve to be highlighted and appreciated. What the guys don’t realise is that back then if I read that there was once this guy called Willie Pep who could have beaten a great like Azumah Nelson I’d be going through my Uncle’s collection of magazines looking for info. I’d go down the library to read about this Pep guy.

What this then meant was that when guys like Leonard, Duran and Hagler were put on a par with the greats of yesteryear then it actually meant something.

[Bricks]

i still remember the day in the mid 80's when i read my first KO magazine my father graciously let me see.

I read every page. It was fascinating even as a pre teen kid to know what americans thought of the british guys like herol graham and frank bruno.

I still sometimes buy the great magazines from that era to read. Boxing illustrated in particular is a great read .

I still buy international boxing digest. Its priced at £2.95 in the UK and is a good little read altho it could do with 8-10 more pages of boxing articles and less ring girl pics. Id love it if they reprinted an extra 10 pages of old boxing illustrated articles and done away with the silly 4 pages in spanish and the 2 pages of MMA.

[Bricks]

In the UK although there is less boxing coverage in the main newspapers. In terms of other sports magazines have not been greatly degraded by the huge sports coverage newspapers here now devote daily to things like football,cricket, rugby etc.

[Ezzard]

In the UK although there is less boxing coverage in the main newspapers. In terms of other sports magazines have not been greatly degraded by the huge sports coverage newspapers here now devote daily to things like football,cricket, rugby etc.

All British sports have been taken over by the middle classes. Football is now a corporate event in most cases. There is little appetite for boxing amongst the TV execs.

Boxing really fell off the map once the promoters were too short-sighted to realise that PPV meant there's be far fewer heroes in the sport.