WSB - World Series of Boxing

[DCAmateurBoxing]

For a boxer to sign for the WSB but not get drafted means absolutely nothing. Unless you get lucky and get a reserve spot when someone is injured of course. Heck, I signed as a coach. Hope someone drafts me . AIBA is putting all on the line to get two-three US cities as franchise teams as there is little hope other american countries, except Canada and maybe Mexico, can host a team.
The boxer who gets chosen by a team still has to agree over the financial conditions and other stuff. It´s like if Golden Boy Promotions shows interest in a pro boxer...first show me the money .
The WSB boxers will be under a contract from the team so I guess they´ll continue to get paid even though someone gets injured. Unless that boxer doesn´t read his contract very well before he signs :( .

I can't believe that no one has leaked one of these contracts online since there have been signings already. I'd really be interested in reading it.

[Dennis]

A boxer participation agreement can be found on WSB's website under the "Boxers" tab near the top of the page.

[locoxelbox]

There will be a training camp for potential WSB boxers and coaches in Italy from 9-19 april Then there will be a test competition in Azerbaijan on april 21, prior to the World Youth Championships. Brazilian boxers Everton Lopes (really good boxer) and Yamaguchi Falcao will take part.
There will also be a WSB judges/referee course in Italy from 16-19 april.

source: www.cbboxe.com.br

[COACH J]

Dennis the agreement online is not the same as the contract, I have a contract if anyone want to see it, let me know. This whole WSB sounds good but it's not they left a few things out that most people don't know. 1 they want 10% of your pro contract when you turn pro for 3 years and alot of people don't know that Andrew Notagain get money for every USA boxer that he signs, IMO Andrew is snake cause he don't care about the boxers just the money so I would say to all the boxers that are thinking About joining DONT DO IT!!!! If you don't want to take my word for it,tell wsb to send you a contract and take it to a lawyer and you'll see. Good luck and god bless

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Dennis the agreement online is not the same as the contract, I have a contract if anyone want to see it, let me know. This whole WSB sounds good but it's not they left a few things out that most people don't know. 1 they want 10% of your pro contract when you turn pro for 3 years and alot of people don't know that Andrew Notagain get money for every USA boxer that he signs, IMO Andrew is snake cause he don't care about the boxers just the money so I would say to all the boxers that are thinking About joining DONT DO IT!!!! If you don't want to take my word for it,tell wsb to send you a contract and take it to a lawyer and you'll see. Good luck and god bless

Can you email me at [email protected]? I have a question about the documentation on WSB.

[Dennis]

Dennis the agreement online is not the same as the contract, I have a contract if anyone want to see it, let me know. This whole WSB sounds good but it's not they left a few things out that most people don't know. 1 they want 10% of your pro contract when you turn pro for 3 years and alot of people don't know that Andrew Notagain get money for every USA boxer that he signs, IMO Andrew is snake cause he don't care about the boxers just the money so I would say to all the boxers that are thinking About joining DONT DO IT!!!! If you don't want to take my word for it,tell wsb to send you a contract and take it to a lawyer and you'll see. Good luck and god bless

The 10% payment to the franchise for pro bouts after leaving the WSB has been removed from the contracts. That was in the prior version of the boxer employment contract, but due to strong opposition it was removed in the version now being used by WSB. Andrew has also stated that he does not get any extra remuneration for signing USA boxers. If anyone has any questions about the WSB, feel free to contact Andrew Madigan at WSB:
[email protected]

I am posting this info with the full knowledge and consent of Andrew.

[fighterdad]

Any plan to include women in the WSB.

[Dennis]

Any plan to include women in the WSB.

Not that I have read or been told. Strictly male boxers for the time being.

[Front Page Boxing]

This is a wonderful discussion on the WSB. Unfortunately this hasn't been discussed much by the executives of USA Boxing (inside information). I'm getting ready to do some more in depth research and interviews for an article on this. It's going to be a series of article covering this objectively with the pros and cons. I've asked a boxer who is very much involved with USA Boxing and he has brought up some great points on it being a good thing.

Will this revolutionize boxing in the long run to turn it into a league like the NFL, NBA, MLS? In some ways many boxing fans have asked for more accountability and structure to the sport. It makes you wonder if we know what we want.

Word is that Golden Boy productions have taken the initiative to sign as many ranked amateurs as possible because of the WSB. Not too many US promoters are hot about WSB at all. Those are rumors but I will need to conduct some interviews.

Feel free to drop me an e-mail as I dig into this. Any tips on who I should contact will be fine. I love amateur boxing as it is where it's not like the pros. Don't get me wrong... I love pro boxing but I also understand that it's about the $$$ with all actors.

I'll continue to follow this discussion and thank you for expanding my thoughts on this.

[JMac]

This is a wonderful discussion on the WSB. Unfortunately this hasn't been discussed much by the executives of USA Boxing (inside information). I'm getting ready to do some more in depth research and interviews for an article on this. It's going to be a series of article covering this objectively with the pros and cons. I've asked a boxer who is very much involved with USA Boxing and he has brought up some great points on it being a good thing.

Will this revolutionize boxing in the long run to turn it into a league like the NFL, NBA, MLS? In some ways many boxing fans have asked for more accountability and structure to the sport. It makes you wonder if we know what we want.

Word is that Golden Boy productions have taken the initiative to sign as many ranked amateurs as possible because of the WSB. Not too many US promoters are hot about WSB at all. Those are rumors but I will need to conduct some interviews.

Feel free to drop me an e-mail as I dig into this. Any tips on who I should contact will be fine. I love amateur boxing as it is where it's not like the pros. Don't get me wrong... I love pro boxing but I also understand that it's about the $$$ with all actors.

I'll continue to follow this discussion and thank you for expanding my thoughts on this.

For what it is worth, your inside info has it wrong. USAB executives have been very involved with AIBA and the setting up of the WSB. The WSB will not work unless they get USA involved, simple as that. All NGB's who have boxers in the WSB will be involved as they will make money. Also, the WSB needs to have at least 2 franchises in USA. They could not do that without USAB's involvement.

[Front Page Boxing]

I would assume the same thing but the source I has is very credible. Relations between USA Boxing and AIBA aren't all that daisy and there are a lot of issues that hasn't been discussed. However, I will need to so some more research and interviews. It's not just USA Boxing but it would be the USA's pro boxing circuit as well. AIBA is touching the professional realm and I'm sure the pro circuits doesn't feel completely comfortable with that.

Would a loss in a WSB bout be counted as a professional boxing bout loss or recorded as an amateur loss?

[JMac]

I would assume the same thing but the source I has is very credible. Relations between USA Boxing and AIBA aren't all that daisy and there are a lot of issues that hasn't been discussed. However, I will need to so some more research and interviews. It's not just USA Boxing but it would be the USA's pro boxing circuit as well. AIBA is touching the professional realm and I'm sure the pro circuits doesn't feel completely comfortable with that.

No offense but your source is wrong. I hope it is not John B in Kansas saying thoses things. I work with the Pres of USAB and and have also known and coached against the interim ED of USAB for 24 years. We talk all the time. The relationship between USAB and AIBA is just fine. The Pres of USAB is on the WSB committee for AIBA due to his bacjground in pro boxing.

Would a loss in a WSB bout be counted as a professional boxing bout loss or recorded as an amateur loss?

That's a good question and I don't know the answer. As this is the 1st time amateurs can box pro, do they have two different records? I'll have to ask Tom V that question.

[JMac]

AIBA is touching the professional realm and I'm sure the pro circuits doesn't feel completely comfortable with that.

One of the alphabet pro groups, I think the WBC at their last convention said they will take AIBA on and maybe even start a similar type league.

[Dennis]

I would assume the same thing but the source I has is very credible. Relations between USA Boxing and AIBA aren't all that daisy and there are a lot of issues that hasn't been discussed. However, I will need to so some more research and interviews. It's not just USA Boxing but it would be the USA's pro boxing circuit as well. AIBA is touching the professional realm and I'm sure the pro circuits doesn't feel completely comfortable with that.

Would a loss in a WSB bout be counted as a professional boxing bout loss or recorded as an amateur loss?

Depends on who you ask.

USA Boxing will need to amend its rules to allow for amateurs to compete against certain professional boxers - WSB boxers. Currently the rule disallows amateurs from competing against pros and it is clear from the WSB materials that WSB boxers are professional boxers. Other rules will need to be changed as well.

[Front Page Boxing]

Don't mean to just point out the negs on this but another source was on the positive side of it. He noted how it'll increase exposure to other great amateur boxers who were under the shadows of the #1 ranking boxer in their weight class. We'll see. I'm thinking it maybe like a baseball farm team where they're considered pros but referred to the minor leagues.

WSB being a minor league for boxers to prepare them for the pro circuits??? That would be a very interesting concept.

[locoxelbox]

Baku hosts first contests in World Series of Boxing

In a realistic test of the future WSB competition format, the boxers had been divided into two teams and trained for 10 days.

The first test event of the World Series of Boxing (WSB) was held at the Sagan Olympic Complex in Baku and saw the Blue team, featuring the top European boxers, triumph over the Reds.

According News.Az, in a realistic test of the future WSB competition format, the boxers had been divided into two teams and trained for 10 days before the first simulation of the two-hour matches between the 12 WSB franchises teams that will be a regular feature of the boxing calendar from November this year.

The Blue team won four of the evening's five bouts, meaning victories for the Ukrainian duo Vitaliy Volkov and Sergiy Derevyanchenko, France's Ludovic Groguhe and Hungary's Istvan Bernath. Brazil's Everton Lopes was the only non-European to win a bout with the Red team's single victory of the evening.

In the opening bout of the event, Vitaliy Volkov beat European champion and German number one Denis Makarov in the bantamweight (54kg) category. The Red team took their only victory of the evening in the lightweight (61kg) bout when youngster Everton Lopes from Brazil upset Georgia's Kobar Pkhakadze. In the middleweight (73kg) contest, Ukrainian national champion Sergiy Derevyanchenko beat Brazil's Yamaguchi Falcao. In the evening's most anticipated bout, Sijuola Shabazz from the United States faced France's Ludovic Groghue. Shabazz had been talking the talk in the run-up to the event, but it was Groghue who walked the walk on the day, easing in front to victory over the five rounds.

In the heavyweight (+91kg) contest Hungary's Istvan Bernath defeated Javier Torres from the USA on the only split decision of the evening.

www.news.az/articles/14108

[KCBoxingRef]

I've been looking...and can't seem to find...any rules for competition. I have seen what they call "Technical and Competition Rules", and they are anything but. Glove sizes, rounds and minutes per are not technical rules in whole. And also - still no word as to whether or not US boxers can compete in USAB sanctioned events if under contract with the WSB....

[KCBoxingRef]

Oh, and for the record - the entire idea of the WSB stinks. Turn the boxers into cash cows, confuse the athletes and trainers even more as it pertains to scoring, increase the risk of athlete injury with ridiculous competition schedules and equipment usage, all to simply use them to pad the pockets of the franchises (big corporations) and AIBA. How many of these "franchise holders" are also (surprise!) going to be sponsors of the Olympics (or already are)?

It's ugly now - but it's going to get much more so. The one ironic thing I keep thinking is this; if you're a boxer who truly want to win a gold medal at the Olympics - then you don't want to join the WSB...unless they change the scoring system. Hmmm.....

[Front Page Boxing]

Hello boxing fans... I will be putting together a series of articles on the World Series of Boxing and your assistance with comment and opinions will be greatly appreciated. Here is the first article.. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-4585 ... nal-boxing Titled: World Series of Boxing: The new league that may change or save amateur & professional boxing?

Your support is truly appreciated!!

[T Duquette]

"Will an amateur boxer be required to join the WSB to be eligible to compete in the Olympics?"

I dont think the IOC would allow that restriction.

[Front Page Boxing]

"Will an amateur boxer be required to join the WSB to be eligible to compete in the Olympics?"

I dont think the IOC would allow that restriction.

However, would a boxer have to be approved by AIBA to compete in the Olympics?? And will AIBA choose that boxer over one of 'their' WSB boxers???

[JMac]

"Will an amateur boxer be required to join the WSB to be eligible to compete in the Olympics?"

I dont think the IOC would allow that restriction.

However, would a boxer have to be approved by AIBA to compete in the Olympics?? And will AIBA choose that boxer over one of 'their' WSB boxers???

Wu the President of AIBA is an IOC member. If AIBA wants pros to be allowed to box in the Olympics, the IOC will go along with it as they have with every other sport that allows pros.
It doesn’t matter if boxers are in the WSB or not. Once their country either picks them to represent them or they go through Olympic trials like US boxers do, they then have to go through the qualifying process and have to qualify for the Olympics either through the world championships or the continental qualifiers.

[Front Page Boxing]

"Will an amateur boxer be required to join the WSB to be eligible to compete in the Olympics?"

I dont think the IOC would allow that restriction.

However, would a boxer have to be approved by AIBA to compete in the Olympics?? And will AIBA choose that boxer over one of 'their' WSB boxers???

Wu the President of AIBA is an IOC member. If AIBA wants pros to be allowed to box in the Olympics, the IOC will go along with it as they have with every other sport that allows pros.
It doesn’t matter if boxers are in the WSB or not. Once their country either picks them to represent them or they go through Olympic trials like US boxers do, they then have to go through the qualifying process and have to qualify for the Olympics either through the world championships or the continental qualifiers.

Thanks for that information. I'll do more research into the IOC's selection of boxers. Please feel free to direct me if you have that information by chance. Thank you.

[JMac]

However, would a boxer have to be approved by AIBA to compete in the Olympics?? And will AIBA choose that boxer over one of 'their' WSB boxers???

Wu the President of AIBA is an IOC member. If AIBA wants pros to be allowed to box in the Olympics, the IOC will go along with it as they have with every other sport that allows pros.
It doesn’t matter if boxers are in the WSB or not. Once their country either picks them to represent them or they go through Olympic trials like US boxers do, they then have to go through the qualifying process and have to qualify for the Olympics either through the world championships or the continental qualifiers.

Thanks for that information. I'll do more research into the IOC's selection of boxers. Please feel free to direct me if you have that information by chance. Thank you.

The IOC does not select the boxers. The boxers go trough qualifying tournaments. The first one will be the 2011 world championships and if they don't qualify there, they get two more chances with continental qualifiers just like they did for the '08 Olympics. You can probably find the old '07-'08 results at the aiba.org website.

[Front Page Boxing]

Wu the President of AIBA is an IOC member. If AIBA wants pros to be allowed to box in the Olympics, the IOC will go along with it as they have with every other sport that allows pros.
It doesn’t matter if boxers are in the WSB or not. Once their country either picks them to represent them or they go through Olympic trials like US boxers do, they then have to go through the qualifying process and have to qualify for the Olympics either through the world championships or the continental qualifiers.

Thanks for that information. I'll do more research into the IOC's selection of boxers. Please feel free to direct me if you have that information by chance. Thank you.

The IOC does not select the boxers. The boxers go trough qualifying tournaments. The first one will be the 2011 world championships and if they don't qualify there, they get two more chances with continental qualifiers just like they did for the '08 Olympics. You can probably find the old '07-'08 results at the aiba.org website.

I agree but it goes with the original statement that it has to be by AIBA. A 'qualifying tournament' cannot be independent of AIBA which has been given the authority over boxing by the IOC. AIBA may have the authority to change the qualifying tournaments into WSB sanctioned tournaments in the future if they desire so. I am speaking out of assumption but following the 'slipper slope' line of logic.

Look at how hockey, basketball, and soccer determine their Olympians... by the leagues in power.