Classic American West Coast Boxing

[THEHAMMER321]

Up until a few years ago any time there was a fight I was always looking to bet on it, I finally learned that a boxing fan doesn't always make a good boxing handicapper, the reason for this is sometime we let sentiment get in the way of Judgement case in point yesterdays fight, it is easy not to like Mayweather so my instinct is to hope he gets his -ss kicked instead of using good judgement and looking at the fight unbiased.

[THEHAMMER321]

Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“New Shoes”

My friend Richard came from a big family, 7-8 kids and like most people in Simons it was hard on Richard’s parents to buy nice clothes/shoes for all the kids at once, one at a time the parents clothed their children. I mention before that we kids would built a fire every night in Simons, one night we are at the fire and one of Richard’s younger brothers kept putting his foot on a burning log, he had just gotten a new pair of shoes and none of the guys had said “hey, nice shoes”, by putting his foot on the burning log he was hoping that we would notice that he had new shoes, well we all notice alright, his one shoe caught on fire!….

It might be funny now but when there is not much money to replace those shoes it must have been tough on Richards family, but especially Richards little brothers behind

[kikibalt]

Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“New Shoes”

My friend Richard came from a big family, 7-8 kids and like most people in Simons it was hard on Richard’s parents to buy nice clothes/shoes for all the kids at once, one at a time the parents clothed their children. I mention before that we kids would built a fire every night in Simons, one night we are at the fire and one of Richard’s younger brothers kept putting his foot on a burning log, he had just gotten a new pair of shoes and none of the guys had said “hey, nice shoes”, by putting his foot on the burning log he was hoping that we would notice that he had new shoes, well we all notice alright, his one shoe caught on fire!….

It might be funny now but when there is not much money to replace those shoes it must have been tough on Richards family, but especially Richards little brothers behind

Hell Paulino, it was funny then, the li'l bro only had to wait another year for a new pair of shoes....

[THEHAMMER321]

Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“New Shoes”

My friend Richard came from a big family, 7-8 kids and like most people in Simons it was hard on Richard’s parents to buy nice clothes/shoes for all the kids at once, one at a time the parents clothed their children. I mention before that we kids would built a fire every night in Simons, one night we are at the fire and one of Richard’s younger brothers kept putting his foot on a burning log, he had just gotten a new pair of shoes and none of the guys had said “hey, nice shoes”, by putting his foot on the burning log he was hoping that we would notice that he had new shoes, well we all notice alright, his one shoe caught on fire!….

It might be funny now but when there is not much money to replace those shoes it must have been tough on Richards family, but especially Richards little brothers behind

Hell Paulino, it was funny then, the li'l bro only had to wait another year for a new pair of shoes....

my dad who was born during the depression used to talk about how poor his family was, when he wanted new shoes his mom would say ''let me tape up those shoes nobody will notice''

[kikibalt]

It might be funny now but when there is not much money to replace those shoes it must have been tough on Richards family, but especially Richards little brothers behind

Hell Paulino, it was funny then, the li'l bro only had to wait another year for a new pair of shoes....

my dad who was born during the depression used to talk about how poor his family was, when he wanted new shoes his mom would say ''let me tape up those shoes nobody will notice''

I was also born during the depression. I remember putting card-board in the inside sole of our shoes to cover up holes on the soles....tough times, but nobody was going around shooting at you.....

[THEHAMMER321]

When I was about 5 or 6 years old we lived across the street from this family who had a bunch of teenage kids with long hair and sometimes there would be ''biker dudes'' over there, so it was a day or 2 before Halloween and one of my friends who was also 5 or 6 says to me ''we better not go to that house on Halloween cause they might put dope in our candy'' as I look back on it and now that I know a thing or 2 about people who use drugs I would have told him ''are you f-c-i-g kidding me somebody is gonna give there drugs away''

[kikibalt]

Rationing in WWII

http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/ex ... ioning.htm

You couldn't buy your Forsheim Cordovan shoes even if you had the money...

[Rick Farris]

I would like to see Mosley retire. He got a good paycheck and has a good position with Golden Boy promotions. Time to think of his health. He's a proven warrior and there is no shame in getting old. Boxing is a young man's sport.

Randy

[Randyman]

It’s an God awful thing to see a great fighter age in the ring, especially if it’s a fighter whose career has been based on speed, boxing ability, power and a huge heart. That was the case Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as Sugar Shane Mosley was reduced to a mere sparring partner by the faster, quicker thinking and (surprise-surprise) much more aggressive and perhaps, most importantly, a younger Floyd Mayweather Jr. You first began to get a hint of what was to come when Mosley’s trainer, Nazim Richardson began to wrap Mosley’s hand just minutes before he was to enter the ring. Mosley entered the ring dry. Not a good way to begin a fight.

The first round saw both fighters circling tentatively but Mayweather seemed much calmer much more relaxed. Mosley, on the other hand was fighting in an uncharacteristic manner; jerky, moving his hands needlessly, and with absolutely no fluidity . I had a bad feeling. When the second round came it looked like Mosley was going to take charge of the fight, he landed several crisp, hard right hands that seemed to hurt Mayweather. That second round proved to be his “Last Hurrah” at least as far as this fight was concerned. From the 3rd round on it was "Money" Mayweather taking the fight to Mosley. Each round became a carbon copy of the last, with Mayweather doing pretty much as he pleased with Mosley.

At times Mosley appeared completely clueless, vague and befuddled, stopping at one point after a break, with his hands down and talking to either to either referee Kenny Bayless or Mayweather, just asking to be hit. That’s exactly what Mayweather did. It’s what he was supposed to do. Mosley never did get into the fight, physically he seemed weak and his punches lacked any real conviction. Mosley never committed his punches. Mentally,, as the fight wore on Mosley began to break down and round by round he went further into survival mode, something I thought I would never see. Mayweather had an answer and then some for everything Mosley did. It was tough for me to watch.

Maybe Frank Sinatra said it best in his song “That’s Life”

“You’re riding high in April
and Shot down in May”

Truer words were never sung.

While I’m not quite ready to agree with Mayweather that he is the best fighter of all time; better than Ali, better than Robinson, better than Duran or better than Leonard I will concede that he is one two of the best fighters of his generation and I’m swallowing awful hard just saying that. Still, I have to give credit to Mayweather, I didn’t think he had it in him to stand up to Mosley but he did what he said he was to do. He out boxed and out fought Mosley and he made it look easy. I give him credit for his behavior outside of the ring. It would have been easy for Mayweather to continue to torment Mosley with well placed words but he chose not to. He showed some class last night. He also showed that he has more going on inside of him than I previously gave him credit for.

After Mayweather’s fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Mosley jumped into the ring to challenge Mayweather and Max Kellerman, more or less, never really allowed Mayweather to enjoy his victory. It didn’t bother me so much then, in fact for that fight, and for that moment it seemed almost appropriate but last night it did bother me. Larry Merchant hammered him incessantly on the drug testing and Manny Pacquiao. Merchant should have just let Floyd revel in his victory. He deserved that much. Sometimes the Larry Merchants of the world need to know when to shut up.

The fight didn’t turn out the way I had hoped. My reasons for picking Mosley over Mayweather were sound and valid but as the afore mentioned Larry Merchant has said ad nauseam “Boxing is the theater of the unexpected” and last night proved just that.

So now we sit back and wait for Manny and Floyd to hammer out their agreement and make their fight happen. Hopefully before the end of the year. I’m figuring that after Saturday the odds may just favor Mayweather. I don’t expect Mosley to relent on the Olympic style drug testing or anything else for that matter. Like Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya before him, he is a shrewd and tough negotiator. Let’s see how this plays out.

[kikibalt]

Great analysis of the Shane/Floyd fight Randy, loved the way you broke it down step by step..

[Randyman]

Great analysis of the Shane/Floyd fight Randy, loved the way you broke it down step by step..

Thanks Frank DD

[Rick Farris]

Two of the most protected fighters in the business get it on next month when New York-based Irishman John Duddy faces Mexico’s Julio Cesar Chavez Junior at the Alamodome in San Antonio.
Duddy, a 30-year-old with an uncanny ability to put bums on seats, was finally exposed last year when someone called Billy Lyell outscored him over 10 rounds in Newark, taking away his unbeaten record. Middleweight Duddy, 29-1 (18), has been brought back with three obscure wins, presumably in front of big, adoring crowds, but there is no evidence to suggest that he has what it takes to break into world class. On the one hand he is brave, aggressive and biffs a bit but the other palm reads too slow, too easy to hit and too quick to bleed. He required 25 stitches after one fight.
Chavez remains unbeaten at 41-0-1 (30) but turned pro way too young at 17 and was held to an early draw by fellow countryman Carlos Molina in Monterrey in 2005, after which he dropped down a level. Even then a part-time gas station attendant by the name of Matt Vanda – a man Duddy has beaten – should haver got the nod over him in 2008 in Mexico but was plainly robbed. Chavez took on Vanda again and proved he was the better fighter with a unanimous 10-round decision; Chavez also took on Molina again, by the way, and outscored him. At 24 the son of a great, great fighter needs to be tested, to be stepped up, to make his move – and this isn’t it.
Nevertheless, Chavez goes quite well to the body and looks to be developing a man’s strength, at last. He simply looks too young and mobile for the aggressive Duddy.

Chavez' moves are well choreographed and work with the common barnyard stock pugilist he faces in the ring.
If Duddy has even a hint of fighting nature and quality, he should break the kid in half.
I know that at least one of the guys in the ring is the most protected fighter on the planet.
Duddy? If he can't end Chavez' winning streak than he might as well pack it in.
J.C. Jr.'s crew usually doesn't put him in much danger.

[kikibalt]

Two of the most protected fighters in the business get it on next month when New York-based Irishman John Duddy faces Mexico’s Julio Cesar Chavez Junior at the Alamodome in San Antonio.
Duddy, a 30-year-old with an uncanny ability to put bums on seats, was finally exposed last year when someone called Billy Lyell outscored him over 10 rounds in Newark, taking away his unbeaten record. Middleweight Duddy, 29-1 (18), has been brought back with three obscure wins, presumably in front of big, adoring crowds, but there is no evidence to suggest that he has what it takes to break into world class. On the one hand he is brave, aggressive and biffs a bit but the other palm reads too slow, too easy to hit and too quick to bleed. He required 25 stitches after one fight.
Chavez remains unbeaten at 41-0-1 (30) but turned pro way too young at 17 and was held to an early draw by fellow countryman Carlos Molina in Monterrey in 2005, after which he dropped down a level. Even then a part-time gas station attendant by the name of Matt Vanda – a man Duddy has beaten – should haver got the nod over him in 2008 in Mexico but was plainly robbed. Chavez took on Vanda again and proved he was the better fighter with a unanimous 10-round decision; Chavez also took on Molina again, by the way, and outscored him. At 24 the son of a great, great fighter needs to be tested, to be stepped up, to make his move – and this isn’t it.
Nevertheless, Chavez goes quite well to the body and looks to be developing a man’s strength, at last. He simply looks too young and mobile for the aggressive Duddy.

Chavez' moves are well choreographed and work with the common barnyard stock pugilist he faces in the ring.
If Duddy has even a hint of fighting nature and quality, he should break the kid in half.
I know that at least one of the guys in the ring is the most protected fighter on the planet.
Duddy? If he can't end Chavez' winning streak than he might as well pack it in.
J.C. Jr.'s crew usually doesn't put him in much danger.

I never seen Duddy fight, so I won't say nothing on him, I have seen Jr. fight and imo he can't fight much....barnyard stock pugilist?...

[Rick Farris]

It’s an God awful thing to see a great fighter age in the ring, especially if it’s a fighter whose career has been based on speed, boxing ability, power and a huge heart. That was the case Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as Sugar Shane Mosley was reduced to a mere sparring partner by the faster, quicker thinking and (surprise-surprise) much more aggressive and perhaps, most importantly, a younger Floyd Mayweather Jr. You first began to get a hint of what was to come when Mosley’s trainer, Nazim Richardson began to wrap Mosley’s hand just minutes before he was to enter the ring. Mosley entered the ring dry. Not a good way to begin a fight.

The first round saw both fighters circling tentatively but Mayweather seemed much calmer much more relaxed. Mosley, on the other hand was fighting in an uncharacteristic manner; jerky, moving his hands needlessly, and with absolutely no fluidity . I had a bad feeling. When the second round came it looked like Mosley was going to take charge of the fight, he landed several crisp, hard right hands that seemed to hurt Mayweather. That second round proved to be his “Last Hurrah” at least as far as this fight was concerned. From the 3rd round on it was "Money" Mayweather taking the fight to Mosley. Each round became a carbon copy of the last, with Mayweather doing pretty much as he pleased with Mosley.

At times Mosley appeared completely clueless, vague and befuddled, stopping at one point after a break, with his hands down and talking to either to either referee Kenny Bayless or Mayweather, just asking to be hit. That’s exactly what Mayweather did. It’s what he was supposed to do. Mosley never did get into the fight, physically he seemed weak and his punches lacked any real conviction. Mosley never committed his punches. Mentally,, as the fight wore on Mosley began to break down and round by round he went further into survival mode, something I thought I would never see. Mayweather had an answer and then some for everything Mosley did. It was tough for me to watch.

Maybe Frank Sinatra said it best in his song “That’s Life”

“You’re riding high in April
and Shot down in May”

Truer words were never sung.

While I’m not quite ready to agree with Mayweather that he is the best fighter of all time; better than Ali, better than Robinson, better than Duran or better than Leonard I will concede that he is one two of the best fighters of his generation and I’m swallowing awful hard just saying that. Still, I have to give credit to Mayweather, I didn’t think he had it in him to stand up to Mosley but he did what he said he was to do. He out boxed and out fought Mosley and he made it look easy. I give him credit for his behavior outside of the ring. It would have been easy for Mayweather to continue to torment Mosley with well placed words but he chose not to. He showed some class last night. He also showed that he has more going on inside of him than I previously gave him credit for.

After Mayweather’s fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Mosley jumped into the ring to challenge Mayweather and Max Kellerman, more or less, never really allowed Mayweather to enjoy his victory. It didn’t bother me so much then, in fact for that fight, and for that moment it seemed almost appropriate but last night it did bother me. Larry Merchant hammered him incessantly on the drug testing and Manny Pacquiao. Merchant should have just let Floyd revel in his victory. He deserved that much. Sometimes the Larry Merchants of the world need to know when to shut up.

The fight didn’t turn out the way I had hoped. My reasons for picking Mosley over Mayweather were sound and valid but as the afore mentioned Larry Merchant has said ad nauseam “Boxing is the theater of the unexpected” and last night proved just that.

So now we sit back and wait for Manny and Floyd to hammer out their agreement and make their fight happen. Hopefully before the end of the year. I’m figuring that after Saturday the odds may just favor Mayweather. I don’t expect Mosley to relent on the Olympic style drug testing or anything else for that matter. Like Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya before him, he is a shrewd and tough negotiator. Let’s see how this plays out.

Randy, if I had a blog, I'd want to post this great acount of last night's event.
I have to say, your writing is without question the best on the net regarding the Mayweather-Mosely scenerio.
And for the record, I've read quite a few this morning, your story went to the heart.

[Randyman]

Here's a couple of photos from my son's visit last month. We went to hang out at the Huntington Beach Pier. It was windy as hell. We stopped Killarney's, an Irish pub and grill for a few beers. The place is filled with photos of boxers on the wall, early photos. For some reason I didn't take any pictures while we were there. I'll be heading back soon. Maybe we can all rendezvous there someday for the first annual "Classic American West Coast Boxing" food and beer fest. :)





The menu at Killarney's:
http://www.allmenus.com/ca/north-coast/ ... rill/menu/

[Randyman]

It’s an God awful thing to see a great fighter age in the ring, especially if it’s a fighter whose career has been based on speed, boxing ability, power and a huge heart. That was the case Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as Sugar Shane Mosley was reduced to a mere sparring partner by the faster, quicker thinking and (surprise-surprise) much more aggressive and perhaps, most importantly, a younger Floyd Mayweather Jr. You first began to get a hint of what was to come when Mosley’s trainer, Nazim Richardson began to wrap Mosley’s hand just minutes before he was to enter the ring. Mosley entered the ring dry. Not a good way to begin a fight.

The first round saw both fighters circling tentatively but Mayweather seemed much calmer much more relaxed. Mosley, on the other hand was fighting in an uncharacteristic manner; jerky, moving his hands needlessly, and with absolutely no fluidity . I had a bad feeling. When the second round came it looked like Mosley was going to take charge of the fight, he landed several crisp, hard right hands that seemed to hurt Mayweather. That second round proved to be his “Last Hurrah” at least as far as this fight was concerned. From the 3rd round on it was "Money" Mayweather taking the fight to Mosley. Each round became a carbon copy of the last, with Mayweather doing pretty much as he pleased with Mosley.

At times Mosley appeared completely clueless, vague and befuddled, stopping at one point after a break, with his hands down and talking to either to either referee Kenny Bayless or Mayweather, just asking to be hit. That’s exactly what Mayweather did. It’s what he was supposed to do. Mosley never did get into the fight, physically he seemed weak and his punches lacked any real conviction. Mosley never committed his punches. Mentally,, as the fight wore on Mosley began to break down and round by round he went further into survival mode, something I thought I would never see. Mayweather had an answer and then some for everything Mosley did. It was tough for me to watch.

Maybe Frank Sinatra said it best in his song “That’s Life”

“You’re riding high in April
and Shot down in May”

Truer words were never sung.

While I’m not quite ready to agree with Mayweather that he is the best fighter of all time; better than Ali, better than Robinson, better than Duran or better than Leonard I will concede that he is one two of the best fighters of his generation and I’m swallowing awful hard just saying that. Still, I have to give credit to Mayweather, I didn’t think he had it in him to stand up to Mosley but he did what he said he was to do. He out boxed and out fought Mosley and he made it look easy. I give him credit for his behavior outside of the ring. It would have been easy for Mayweather to continue to torment Mosley with well placed words but he chose not to. He showed some class last night. He also showed that he has more going on inside of him than I previously gave him credit for.

After Mayweather’s fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Mosley jumped into the ring to challenge Mayweather and Max Kellerman, more or less, never really allowed Mayweather to enjoy his victory. It didn’t bother me so much then, in fact for that fight, and for that moment it seemed almost appropriate but last night it did bother me. Larry Merchant hammered him incessantly on the drug testing and Manny Pacquiao. Merchant should have just let Floyd revel in his victory. He deserved that much. Sometimes the Larry Merchants of the world need to know when to shut up.

The fight didn’t turn out the way I had hoped. My reasons for picking Mosley over Mayweather were sound and valid but as the afore mentioned Larry Merchant has said ad nauseam “Boxing is the theater of the unexpected” and last night proved just that.

So now we sit back and wait for Manny and Floyd to hammer out their agreement and make their fight happen. Hopefully before the end of the year. I’m figuring that after Saturday the odds may just favor Mayweather. I don’t expect Mosley to relent on the Olympic style drug testing or anything else for that matter. Like Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya before him, he is a shrewd and tough negotiator. Let’s see how this plays out.

Randy, if I had a blog, I'd want to post this great acount of last night's event.
I have to say, your writing is without question the best on the net regarding the Mayweather-Mosely scenerio.
And for the record, I've read quite a few this morning, your story went to the heart.

Thank you Rick. This one was pretty cut and dry though.

Randy

[Randyman]

Thanks again guys for the birthday wishes for my mother. We'll all be at my daughters house later on in the day. I'll pass your words along. She'll appreciate it. I'll take some photos.

There are no better people than boxing people and there are better boxing people than the guys on this thread!!

Randy

[Randyman]

I find it ironic that in Mosley's fight with Antonio Margarito that it was Nazim Richardson that discovered the plaster in Antonio's hand wraps. That had to mess with Antonio's head big time and then, in the first fight back, and the second time in Mosley's corner, Richardson screwed up and began wrapping Mosley's hands way too late. How much did that play into last night's fight? Mosley seemed a million miles away. The hand wraps may have been a factor in both fights. Just a thought.

[kikibalt]

Randy, if I had a blog, I'd want to post this great acount of last night's event.
I have to say, your writing is without question the best on the net regarding the Mayweather-Mosely scenerio.
And for the record, I've read quite a few this morning, your story went to the heart.

I stole both Randy's and Bennie's writings and posted them on my blog....

[Rick Farris]

Randy, if I had a blog, I'd want to post this great acount of last night's event.
I have to say, your writing is without question the best on the net regarding the Mayweather-Mosely scenerio.
And for the record, I've read quite a few this morning, your story went to the heart.

I stole both Randy's and Bennie's writings and posted them on my blog....

[Rick Farris]

Here's a couple of photos from my son's visit last month. We went to hang out at the Huntington Beach Pier. It was windy as hell. We stopped Killarney's, an Irish pub and grill for a few beers. The place is filled with photos of boxers on the wall, early photos. For some reason I didn't take any pictures while we were there. I'll be heading back soon. Maybe we can all rendezvous there someday for the first annual "Classic American West Coast Boxing" food and beer fest. :)





The menu at Killarney's:
http://www.allmenus.com/ca/north-coast/ ... rill/menu/

HB . . .

Randy . . . When I was a kid, late 50's-early 60's, my parents had a home Orange County, and my dad would take me and the kid across the street to the Huntington Beach Pier to fish. Sometimes he'd go deep sea fishing from a boat that used to take off from that pier. Also, in the old days, HB had a public indoor salt-water swimming pool called "The Plunge". I went there too. On the beach near the pier, they had an open fish market. I knew the area of Huntington And Newport Beach pretty well, plus Balboa Island. I lived about six miles from the beach and my friends and I would ride our bikes thruout that area during summer.

Great photos of you & Andrew. That would be a great place for a food & beer fest

[Chuck1052]

Randy, thanks for your great analysis of the bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley. It looks like Oscar De La Hoya did much better against Mayweather than Mosley. Of course, De La Hoya may had much more left in the tank than Mosley did last night.

- Chuck Johnston

[Rick Farris]

World Boxing Hall of Fame - Class of 2010 . . .


-Boxer Catagory (Listed in order of votes receieved)

Julio Cesar Chavez
Mike Tyson
Dwight Mohammad Qawi
Bennie Briscoe


-Expanded Catagory

Joe Goossen
Jimmy Montoya
Graham Houston


Posthumous Catagory:

Tiger Jack Fox
Bernard Docusen

[bennie]

What's the word with Big Rog?

[kikibalt]

Randy, if I had a blog, I'd want to post this great acount of last night's event.
I have to say, your writing is without question the best on the net regarding the Mayweather-Mosely scenerio.
And for the record, I've read quite a few this morning, your story went to the heart.

I stole both Randy's and Bennie's writings and posted them on my blog....

http://westcoastboxersofyearsgoneby.blogspot.com/