Heavyweight Boxing’s Ten Greatest Ever Chins

[Senya13]

1) George Chuvalo: Took the best for over 20 years and was never off his feet. Only time I ever saw him even shook was against Foreman and that was only momentarily. Amazing chin.

Clearly was badly dazed by that single clean flush left hook from Foreman, if not for the ropes, he'd fall down, didn't recover his senses completely until after the fight was stopped. Prior to that shot Chuvalo was hit mostly by left jabs (that are not going to knock out anybody with semi-solid chin), I counted maybe 2-3 clean rights hands he was hit with during the whole first 2 rounds, none of which were that big.
Not to forget Chuvalo was down twice vs Bonavena, regardless if they were not ruled as official KD's, at least one of them was real.

McCall had a lot of sparring with Mike Tyson. Chuvalo would never have lasted a hundred (or two) of rounds of sparring with Mike without going down or out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sparring? That's a weird thing to say. If Tyson is your benchmark, you should include Mitch Green.

[dempseyfire]

1) George Chuvalo: Took the best for over 20 years and was never off his feet. Only time I ever saw him even shook was against Foreman and that was only momentarily. Amazing chin.

Clearly was badly dazed by that single clean flush left hook from Foreman, if not for the ropes, he'd fall down, didn't recover his senses completely until after the fight was stopped. Prior to that shot Chuvalo was hit mostly by left jabs (that are not going to knock out anybody with semi-solid chin), I counted maybe 2-3 clean rights hands he was hit with during the whole first 2 rounds, none of which were that big.
Not to forget Chuvalo was down twice vs Bonavena, regardless if they were not ruled as official KD's, at least one of them was real.

McCall had a lot of sparring with Mike Tyson. Chuvalo would never have lasted a hundred (or two) of rounds of sparring with Mike without going down or out.

Bonavena didn't score one legit KD vs Chuvalo, those were both clear slips.

To say Chuvalo 'would've gone down' without the ropes is a crock.

As for the Tyson comment that is just plain stupid.

[Senya13]

1. Chuvalo went down from a punch, whether he was slightly off balance at the moment too, is not too important, going down after the opponent landed a legit punch on you = knockdown.

2. I rewatched the fight again before I wrote what I did. The ropes held Chuvalo up after that left hook. No ropes - he'd fall down (on his back).

3. To say that McCall didn't face a good number of big heavyweight punchers (and was never even close to going down or out, unlike Chuvalo) - "is just plain stupid".

[Goodnight, Irene]

Holy man! The Russians just popped a silly pill!

It's out of my hands.

[dempseyfire]

1. Chuvalo went down from a punch, whether he was slightly off balance at the moment too, is not too important, going down after the opponent landed a legit punch on you = knockdown.

2. I rewatched the fight again before I wrote what I did. The ropes held Chuvalo up after that left hook. No ropes - he'd fall down (on his back).

3. To say that McCall didn't face a good number of big heavyweight punchers (and was never even close to going down or out, unlike Chuvalo) - "is just plain stupid".

I stated Bruno and Lewis . . .whose else is there . . .Akinwande? Lionel Butler? Davarryl Williamson???

[Senya13]

Wanna compare the lists of biggest heavyweight punchers faced by Chuvalo, Ali and McCall?

[hhaehre]

McCall had a lot of sparring with Mike Tyson. Chuvalo would never have lasted a hundred (or two) of rounds of sparring with Mike without going down or out.

Glenn McCrory sparred 100+ rounds with Tyson and never went down. I guess McCrory had a better chin than Chuvalo and should be on the list then?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wanna compare the lists of biggest heavyweight punchers faced by Chuvalo, Ali and McCall?

By faced do you mean sparring? Or in legitimate prize fights?

[Senya13]

Pro fights, obviously.

McCrory had had some boxing skills, unlike Chuvalo. And it's only an addition to the reasoning of McCall's chin's sturdiness, not the main reason.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not worth mentioning at all. Sparring is just that. Nobody is questioning McCall's chin, you're questioning chuvalo's. It's funny that you put down Chuvalo's skills like it helps your argument.

[Senya13]

Nobody questioning?

The one caveat I have with McCall is the lack of quality comp. Lewis and Bruno are really the only world class punchers he's ever faced, and Bruno did hurt him a few times early in their fight, while Lennox's extra cautious nature ensured that he never really opened the heavy artillery on a cracked out McCall in their rematch. Great chin but perhaps a little over-rated by some.

That's clearly questioning to me. While the same is not asked of Chuvalo and Ali. Both are overated chin-wise to me. Same as LaMotta, of the most popular choices as best chins in history.
Sparrings can be important, like Ali getting knocked down by light-hitting Ellis.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nobody questioning?

The one caveat I have with McCall is the lack of quality comp. Lewis and Bruno are really the only world class punchers he's ever faced, and Bruno did hurt him a few times early in their fight, while Lennox's extra cautious nature ensured that he never really opened the heavy artillery on a cracked out McCall in their rematch. Great chin but perhaps a little over-rated by some.

That's clearly questioning to me. While the same is not asked of Chuvalo and Ali. Both are overated chin-wise to me. Same as LaMotta, of the most popular choices as best chins in history.
Sparrings can be important, like Ali getting knocked down by light-hitting Ellis.

Nothing could be less relevant to this discussion than sparring. It's hard to take you seriously when you keep bringing it up.

He questioned McCall over Chuvalo, not McCall on the list. He ranked him third for the love of God. And he is certainly right about the competition.

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It's not worth mentioning at all. Sparring is just that. Nobody is questioning McCall's chin, you're questioning chuvalo's. It's funny that you put down Chuvalo's skills like it helps your argument.

Sparring is a fool's inclusion in this argument. I won't even bother to explain why. Please.

[Crease]

Chuvalo certainly would be up there...

But I would rate Marciano higher than Dempsey.

[Senya13]

He questioned whether McCall's chin was sufficiently tested, with Chuvalo not related to that argument anyhow. He didn't question Chuvalo's or Ali's punchers competition the same way.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He questioned whether McCall's chin was sufficiently tested, with Chuvalo not related to that argument anyhow. He didn't question Chuvalo's or Ali's punchers competition the same way.

He rated McCall's chin the 3rd greatest. Are you having problems reading? Or just looking for a pointless argument? Either way, you can carry on without me.

[dempseyfire]

Chuvalo and Ali both faced tons more world class fighters who could punch than McCall, I'd be amused to see your counter-argument to that.

[Senya13]

So I won't get actual lists to compare them with McCall's?

[dempseyfire]

Well, Ali fought Sonny Liston, Oscar Bonavena, Henry Cooper, Cleveland Williams, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry, Earnie Shavers and the list goes on . .

Chuvalo fought Mike DeJohn, Jerry Quarry, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Oscar Bonavena, Zora Folley, Bob Cleroux, Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams

Compare those lists to McCall, who fought Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno (both elite boxer-punchers, but watch the list nosedive),Bruce Seldon, Davarryl Williamson, Francesco Damiani, Juan Carlos Gomez, Henry Akinwande

Who fought the better punchers? Clearly Ali and Chuvalo although I'm sure you'll bring up some lame argument like how McCall's opponents weighed more so they must have hit harder blah blah

[Senya13]

So these are the fighters you consider big punchers. I see. In that I see no point for further debate with such "world class punchers". Take Cleveland Williams, for example. You are aware of what version of Williams both faced, right? Then why bring him up?

[dempseyfire]

Williams never was the same fighter after the police shooting but I'd like your theory of how that shooting made him lose his punching power . .

You can now made your argument about how Damiani, Williamson, Akinwande and JC Gomez are 'world class' punchers . . .

All of the fighters I listed for Ali and Chuvalo were noted heavy punchers, so please, let's here how the likes of Frazier, DeJohn, Folley, and Lyle wern't heavy hitters and how McCall's opposition was superior. The forum would like to know.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I know I'd like to know

[Senya13]

Norton was a noted heavy puncher? Give me a break! You haven't given your lists a minute's thought of what names you are adding to it, and you want a further debate? Are you gonna place every Ali's and Chuvalo's opponent because "any heavyweight has a chance of scoring a knockout"?
Bonavena, Cooper, Williams, Frazier, Norton, Quarry, Folley, Patterson have no place there.

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