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knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:28

Andreas Kotelnik, 24-1, silver medallist in sydney (lost to Mr Kindelan)... only loss is a split decision to M'Baye as a pro.

good match up, Kotelnik, is in his prime, hungry and clearly a classy operator.... better than fighting old ex-world champions

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:31

knockout wrote:Andreas Kotelnik, 24-1, silver medallist in sydney (lost to Mr Kindelan)... only loss is a split decision to M'Baye as a pro.

good match up, Kotelnik, is in his prime, hungry and clearly a classy operator.... better than fighting old ex-world champions

this guy is good, IMO he has also a win over Kindelan. same calibre as Sidorenko.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:33

A cracking fight at this stage IMO.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:36

BubiScholz wrote:
knockout wrote:Andreas Kotelnik, 24-1, silver medallist in sydney (lost to Mr Kindelan)... only loss is a split decision to M'Baye as a pro.

good match up, Kotelnik, is in his prime, hungry and clearly a classy operator.... better than fighting old ex-world champions
this guy is good, IMO he has also a win over Kindelan. same calibre as Sidorenko.

you are right, forgot he beat Kindelan 1999.... i would say he is a notch above Sidorenko...

anyone see his fight with M'baye?? scoring seems a little odd.....was he jobbed??

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:37

Shame though that Witter isn't getting the big names. However, if he keeps busy against the level of opponent he's been fighting lately, he'll be in prime form when he finally gets a big opponent.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:38

Never seem him fight, how do you see it going?

Fights like this is what Witter needs. Gradually building his ring experience against fighters he can beat and improving himself as a result so he'll be better when he does challenege for world honours.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:39

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Shame though that Witter isn't getting the big names. However, if he keeps busy against the level of opponent he's been fighting lately, he'll be in prime form when he finally gets a big opponent.

the irony is, no name guys like this are actually better than the Vince Phillips, Ben Tackies of the world who were once good but are now past it......

which is why you gotta give more respect to the EBU title than the WBU title....WBU you can basically choose your opponent...

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:39

it's certainly an interesting fight, but will it do anything to witter's WBC ranking? Also, what has the WBC said about Branco being still in the same spot?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:41

Riddick Blowe wrote:it's certainly an interesting fight, but will it do anything to witter's WBC ranking? Also, what has the WBC said about Branco being still in the same spot?

possibly, defending your EBU title against the mandatory must impress the WBC ranking commitee... not as much as a brown envelop from italy perhaps

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:42

knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
knockout wrote:Andreas Kotelnik, 24-1, silver medallist in sydney (lost to Mr Kindelan)... only loss is a split decision to M'Baye as a pro.

good match up, Kotelnik, is in his prime, hungry and clearly a classy operator.... better than fighting old ex-world champions
this guy is good, IMO he has also a win over Kindelan. same calibre as Sidorenko.
you are right, forgot he beat Kindelan 1999.... i would say he is a notch above Sidorenko...

anyone see his fight with M'baye?? scoring seems a little odd.....was he jobbed??

He wasnt robbed, even Universum wrote that on their website

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:46

Freiheit wrote:
knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote: this guy is good, IMO he has also a win over Kindelan. same calibre as Sidorenko.
you are right, forgot he beat Kindelan 1999.... i would say he is a notch above Sidorenko...

anyone see his fight with M'baye?? scoring seems a little odd.....was he jobbed??
He wasnt robbed, even Universum wrote that on their website

was it close in your opinion??

M'Baye is a classy operator himself, arguably best in Europe now....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:53

Riddick Blowe wrote:it's certainly an interesting fight, but will it do anything to witter's WBC ranking? Also, what has the WBC said about Branco being still in the same spot?

fornicate all, and I think that's how they intend to keep it. They want to keep Witter away from Gatti as long as possible, if he loses to mayweather, then perhaps Witter will get a chance somewhere down the line, but the WBC have no intention of letting Witter get there and wreck the chances of a megafight.

Branco should be removed from his position.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:53

I think I had it 8-4 or 7-5 for M'Baye.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:it's certainly an interesting fight, but will it do anything to witter's WBC ranking? Also, what has the WBC said about Branco being still in the same spot?
fornicate all, and I think that's how they intend to keep it. They want to keep Witter away from Gatti as long as possible, if he loses to mayweather, then perhaps Witter will get a chance somewhere down the line, but the WBC have no intention of letting Witter get there and wreck the chances of a megafight.

Branco should be removed from his position.

Gatti will come unstuck at some stage...... its just in his nature

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:55

Freiheit wrote:I think I had it 8-4 or 7-5 for M'Baye.

Thanks, Freiheit!!

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 10:57

As Freiheit mentioned earlier, the winning big was 85 000 EUR.....

Which is £61000 so £37k Witter, £24k Kotelnik.....

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:it's certainly an interesting fight, but will it do anything to witter's WBC ranking? Also, what has the WBC said about Branco being still in the same spot?
fornicate all, and I think that's how they intend to keep it. They want to keep Witter away from Gatti as long as possible, if he loses to mayweather, then perhaps Witter will get a chance somewhere down the line, but the WBC have no intention of letting Witter get there and wreck the chances of a megafight.

Branco should be removed from his position.

Is Witter really "The Man". His record doesn´t turn me on. Are you sure he will win vs Kotelnik?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:51

Well, thus far, since the Judah fight, every European opponent he has faced has got done up like a kipper. Bienias, Battaglia and Lauri didn't even last 6 full rounds between them....

N'dou took a pasting over the early part of the fight, and was beaten pretty convincingly, despite some mid-late round stutters.

Witter is definetly way too good for B Grade opposition, and in my opinion is at least B+ to A- class himself. Whether he has that Grade A substance remains to be seen, but he's probably the hardest hitting man in the division after Tszyu.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:56

but he has no fight vs a top 15 boxer (boxrec-ranking). is he better than Urkal?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:58

he is better than the current version of Urkal i think, better than Urkal at his best, definately not

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 Mar 2005, 13:01

knockout wrote:he is better than the current version of Urkal i think, better than Urkal at his best, definately not

knockout, the curent version of Urkal is retired, not officially but he won´t fight anymore. he did well vs the austrussian and in the first Harris-fight.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 13:03

BubiScholz wrote:
knockout wrote:he is better than the current version of Urkal i think, better than Urkal at his best, definately not
knockout, the curent version of Urkal is retired, not officially but he won´t fight anymore. he did well vs the austrussian and in the first Harris-fight.

that what i mean Bubs, the version of Urkal who did very well against Tszyu would beat the Witter of today, but I think the Urkal who fought Harris 2 would get stopped by Witter.... Urkal has many KM on the clock now

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 23 Mar 2005, 15:25

knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
knockout wrote:he is better than the current version of Urkal i think, better than Urkal at his best, definately not
knockout, the curent version of Urkal is retired, not officially but he won´t fight anymore. he did well vs the austrussian and in the first Harris-fight.
that what i mean Bubs, the version of Urkal who did very well against Tszyu would beat the Witter of today, but I think the Urkal who fought Harris 2 would get stopped by Witter.... Urkal has many KM on the clock now

Urkal would never beat Witter that's ridiculous.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Mar 2005, 15:38

lirva33 wrote:
knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote: knockout, the curent version of Urkal is retired, not officially but he won´t fight anymore. he did well vs the austrussian and in the first Harris-fight.
that what i mean Bubs, the version of Urkal who did very well against Tszyu would beat the Witter of today, but I think the Urkal who fought Harris 2 would get stopped by Witter.... Urkal has many KM on the clock now
Urkal would never beat Witter that's ridiculous.

No it isn't, he ran Tszyu close, should have had the verdict vs Harris in fight 1 and beat Eamomn Magee. That for me indicates proven world class (by some distance) its only now Witter has stepped into that plate. Not a forgone conclusion even if it happens now.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Mar 2005, 16:35

damn Lirva, you need to see more of Urkal, as Stu says he ran Tszyu very close, 3 points i believe... and had Kosta hurt in the 10th.

He had a great chin, great movement and great stamina, no way Witter would have took him out and he fought hard for 12 rounds and was a very good boxer.... that looks like a points defeat for Witter.

A lot of people had him winning the 1st Harris fight and he must have been doing something to Magee as he finished with his eye practically closed.... Magee has never marked up like that before or after.....

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