Question when is the british four nations??

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 22 Mar 2005, 06:57

Is this on BBC 1 again? where is it being held? and do the winners of each weight go on to fight the cuban team?? just that in another thread it said frankie gavin will face kindela ina four nation event, but if its the winners of each weight in britain he wont be facing no one, Mark hastie of scotland will.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 22 Mar 2005, 07:41

Frankie Gavin is a lightweight and Hastie a light-welter, thus they won't face each other.
The Scottish lightweight is Gary McArthur and the English light-welter looks to be Jamie Cox.
Gavin is a class act and should come through as the winner of the Four Nations.
I'd imagine Hastie may know a bit too much for young Cox. Either way I can't see any of the Four Nations winners troubling a full strength Cuban team. Our strongest winner would be the James Degale/Andy Lee/Craig McEwan winner.
Having said that, the Cubans probably won't send their full-strength team...

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 22 Mar 2005, 10:39

sorry mate my mistake, mcarthur isnt going for scotland, mitch prince is instead as far as i know, your right about the middle weight going to be our best chance, lee and deagle are good, but mcewan is pure class think he will win it and im not just saying that cause im scottish,

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 22 Mar 2005, 13:11

so anyone know date time?? channel??/

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 22 Mar 2005, 13:13

degale is out, heard he had the mumps. I suspect Mullins will given the opportunity to replace him.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 22 Mar 2005, 13:19

Couldn't see the line up posted, if it is I'll delete this.

So far and it's changing on a daily basis it seems:

48kg
Daren Langley (Eng)
No entry (Scot)
Mo Nasir (Wales)
Conor Ahern (Ireland)

51kg
Stewart Langley (Eng)
Usmaan Hussain (Scot)
Matthew Edmonds (Wales)
Carl Frampton (Ireland)

54kg
Nick McDonald (Eng)
james ancliffe (Scot)
Lee Fortt (Wales)
David Oliver Joyce (Ireland)

57kg
Gary Sykes (Eng)
jason hastie (Scot)
Darren Edwards (Wales)
Eric Donovan (Ireland)

60kg
Frankie Gavin (Eng)
gary mcarthur (Scot) maybe Prince??
Peter Ashton (Wales)
Stephen Ormond (Ireland)

64kg
Jamie Cox (Eng) Grant out, turned pro.
Mark hastie (Scot)
Shaun Bowers (Wales)
David Joyce (Ireland)

69kg
Bret Flournoy (Eng)
Kris Carslaw (Scot)
Leon Trott (Wales)
Karl Brabazon (Ireland)

75kg
Steve Mullins (Eng) Degale out with mumps.
Craig Mcewan (Scot)
Wayne O’Sullivan (Wales)
Andy Lee (Ireland)

81kg
Dave Pendleton (Eng)
kenny Anderson (Scot)
Robert Ellery (Wales)
Kenneth Egan (Ireland)

91kg
Dolan? (Eng) Bellew out injured hand.
steven simmons (Scot)
Kevin Evans (Wales)
Ian Tims (Ireland)

+91kg
David Price (Eng)
James Perry (Scot)
Allan Kasongo (Wales)
Cathal McMonagle (Ireland)

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 22 Mar 2005, 13:40

bigped wrote:so anyone know date time?? channel??/

BBC2 Saturday night/Sunday morning 12.10am

Duration 1hr 10 mins.

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 22 Mar 2005, 14:04

The boy boxing at 69kg for scotland Kris Carlaw could be an unkown quatity, get had only had one fight before the scottish finals last week, but he then went on to win 3 bouts and win the title, and he was fighting class opponents, inlcduing willi billan in final who is a 5time scottish champion,

so going into the four nations hes only had 4 boxing bouts, but he claims to be current WORLD kickboxing champion, im going to try and find out more about this if anyone can tell me where id find ifo be good.

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 22 Mar 2005, 21:14

bigped wrote:The boy boxing at 69kg for scotland Kris Carlaw could be an unkown quatity, get had only had one fight before the scottish finals last week, but he then went on to win 3 bouts and win the title, and he was fighting class opponents, inlcduing willi billan in final who is a 5time scottish champion,

so going into the four nations hes only had 4 boxing bouts, but he claims to be current WORLD kickboxing champion, im going to try and find out more about this if anyone can tell me where id find ifo be good.

Slightly off topic, but i know at least 3 ppl who claim to be european kickboxing chamopins, i think kick boxing is in a worse state than boxing with differnt organisations as such.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:24

Ulysses:

I'd imagine Hastie may know a bit too much for young Cox.

I'd still back Cox even though I agree Hastie has the experience and is probably favorite. I think Hastie's upright, orthodox style won't trouble Cox as much as the elusive Mr Grant. As long as Cox can get up for the bout having just lost and being called back in at short notice, I'll back him to win.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:47

Hastie's the reigning (sp?) Four Nations champ and he won the Scottish title at a canter, maybe he's slightly more seasoned, however, you should never write off a power-punching southpaw!

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 23 Mar 2005, 12:56

yeah hes regining 60kg champ, he wanted kahn badly this year but he had to move up won the scottish at a canter and a recent europen tournament he took gold,

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 23 Mar 2005, 14:47

wouldn't disagree with any of that, as I said Hastie is experienced and will be the favorite, I just feel Cox can handle him, he is strong, confident and very hungry. What can I say, I'm goin to back the new kid on the block.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 24 Mar 2005, 15:10

Results: Finalists marked in bold

48kg
Daren Langley (Eng) got a by
No entry (Scot)
Mo Nasir (Wales)
Conor Ahern (Ireland) bt Nasir 18-12

51kg
Stewart Langley (Eng) bt Frampton 26-11
Usmaan Hussain (Scot)
Matthew Edmonds (Wales)
Carl Frampton (Ireland)

54kg
Nick McDonald (Eng) bt Joyce 36-26
james ancliffe (Scot) bt Fortt 26-15
Lee Fortt (Wales)
David Oliver Joyce (Ireland)

57kg
Gary Sykes (Eng) bt J. Hastie 24-6
jason hastie (Scot)
Darren Edwards (Wales) bt Donovan 25-23
Eric Donovan (Ireland)

60kg
Frankie Gavin (Eng) bt Prince 19-8
Mitch Prince (Scot)
Peter Ashton (Wales) Got a by
Stephen Ormond (Ireland) failed to make weight.

64kg
Jamie Cox (Eng) bt Hastie 23-21 (I told you so)

Mark hastie (Scot)
Shaun Bowers (Wales)
David Joyce (Ireland) So Buncy says at least, although he didn't have his notes to hand.

69kg
Bret Flournoy (Eng) bt Carslaw 30-7
Kris Carslaw (Scot)
Leon Trott (Wales)
Karl Brabazon (Ireland) bt Trott 38-17

75kg
Steve Mullins (Eng)
Craig Mcewan (Scot)
McEwan (Scot) bt Phillips stp in 2nd
Hope names not wrong, programme said one thing and wa expecting O'sullivan to be in?
Andy Lee (Ireland) bt S. Mullins 20-2
Checking these 75kg results...

81kg
Dave Pendleton (Eng) bt Ellery 17-3
kenny Anderson (Scot)
Robert Ellery (Wales)
Kenneth Egan (Ireland) bt Anderson stp in 3rd

91kg
Dolan (Eng) got a by
steven simmons (Scot)
Kevin Evans (Wales) bt Simmons 9-8
Ian Tims (Ireland) ??

+91kg
David Price (Eng) ko'd McMonagle in 2nd
James Perry (Scot)
Allan Kasongo (Wales) I think?
Cathal McMonagle (Ireland)

Not sure who price against as unclear who pulled out and who then got a by? Looking into it.

Mc announcements are pretty inaudible at the best of times.

Sorry best I can do

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Mar 2005, 16:22

Maverik, was O Sullivan for Wales involved? Middleweight?

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 24 Mar 2005, 16:49

No the programme definetly said Phillips unless it was printed wrong, I don't know what happened.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Mar 2005, 17:19

maverick wrote:No the programme definetly said Phillips unless it was printed wrong, I don't know what happened.

O Sullivan won the WABA's.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 24 Mar 2005, 17:22

maybe he was injured? I'll try and find out.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 24 Mar 2005, 18:24

Thanks for those, maverick.

The McEwan-Lee bout looks a bit tasty. Hard one to call, would have to side with the Irishman.
Nick McDonald seems unbeatable at the moment – a smashing little fighter. Gary Sykes is also on top form, however, the Edwards bout will be tough, he should come through.
Frankie Gavin is another who goes from strength to strength, the kid is superb and should beat the Welsh lad.
Just as you said, maverick – Cox did the business, fair play to the kid, only 18 years old, he has a bright future.
Brett Flournoy seems to keep proving everyone wrong, he wasn't even the Army no.1 till recently.
Also looking forward to Kevin Evans-David Dolan, rmember Dolan stopping Evans on a nosebleed in the Commonwealth games.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 24 Mar 2005, 18:51

I agree Ulysses Lee v McEwan is tasty but I too would stick with the Lee to come through. He may not have looked much against Mullins today but I think that's more down to the level of his opponent. Boxing better quality boxers raises your level. 10 England lads in the finals, that's a pretty damn good turn out and out of that I'd say we have a good chance of 8 golds. Cox had a fantastic win over Hastie and if Joyce is the same Joyce that won Gold at 57kg last year against Watson then I see Cox being too strong and too intense for him. I think Flournoy has done exceptionally well since winning the novices and now the abas just a season later but I've been very impressed with the strength, presser and accuracy of Brabazon and I'd go with him on this one. Hard to call though, will be interesting.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Mar 2005, 19:03

Its NOT Lee vs McEwan - The Welsh guy (Phillips who didn't win the WABA's) beat McEwan. If it was Phillips that made the final of the WABA's (losing to O Sullivan) then he is a limited puncher, he floored and hurt O Sullivan in the opener. O Sullivan had a huge gap to close and did so right at the death.

Don't write off Peter Ashton, he was my fighter of the WABA's (it was televised on digital). The Suprise for me was Darren Edwards - a good amateur but light puncher and relentless pressure is the way to beat the lanky Welshman. Thought he would have lost in the semi's. Surely he won't win the final.

Mo Nazzir looked a promising fighter in the WABA's and I thought he might win this thing - so obviously, Ahern must have been pretty impressive and might well go to win it now.

I don't think Kevin Evans will do it, he looked a little bit flabby in the WABA's and it was the poorest I have seen him for a while. For me, an inform Kevin Evans is the best Heavyweight in the country (amateur of course), but he didn't look inform in the WABA's.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 24 Mar 2005, 20:02

51KG
Final
51KG STEWART LANGLEY (ENG) V ?

91+KG
Final
DAVID PRICE (ENG) V ?

Are these two automatic winners? Or are there some results missing?

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 24 Mar 2005, 21:07

stujones wrote:Its NOT Lee vs McEwan - The Welsh guy (Phillips who didn't win the WABA's) beat McEwan. If it was Phillips that made the final of the WABA's (losing to O Sullivan) then he is a limited puncher, he floored and hurt O Sullivan in the opener. O Sullivan had a huge gap to close and did so right at the death.

Don't write off Peter Ashton, he was my fighter of the WABA's (it was televised on digital). The Suprise for me was Darren Edwards - a good amateur but light puncher and relentless pressure is the way to beat the lanky Welshman. Thought he would have lost in the semi's. Surely he won't win the final.

Mo Nazzir looked a promising fighter in the WABA's and I thought he might win this thing - so obviously, Ahern must have been pretty impressive and might well go to win it now.

I don't think Kevin Evans will do it, he looked a little bit flabby in the WABA's and it was the poorest I have seen him for a while. For me, an inform Kevin Evans is the best Heavyweight in the country (amateur of course), but he didn't look inform in the WABA's.

Are you sure steve??? i find it very hard to belive craig got beat never mind stopped??? maybe your right major shock if true,,,, keith evans just got best steve simmons 9-8.... good on steve but good experiance for him.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Mar 2005, 21:09

bigped wrote:
stujones wrote:Its NOT Lee vs McEwan - The Welsh guy (Phillips who didn't win the WABA's) beat McEwan. If it was Phillips that made the final of the WABA's (losing to O Sullivan) then he is a limited puncher, he floored and hurt O Sullivan in the opener. O Sullivan had a huge gap to close and did so right at the death.

Don't write off Peter Ashton, he was my fighter of the WABA's (it was televised on digital). The Suprise for me was Darren Edwards - a good amateur but light puncher and relentless pressure is the way to beat the lanky Welshman. Thought he would have lost in the semi's. Surely he won't win the final.

Mo Nazzir looked a promising fighter in the WABA's and I thought he might win this thing - so obviously, Ahern must have been pretty impressive and might well go to win it now.

I don't think Kevin Evans will do it, he looked a little bit flabby in the WABA's and it was the poorest I have seen him for a while. For me, an inform Kevin Evans is the best Heavyweight in the country (amateur of course), but he didn't look inform in the WABA's.
Are you sure steve??? i find it very hard to belive craig got beat never mind stopped??? maybe your right major shock if true,,,, keith evans just got best steve simmons 9-8.... good on steve but good experiance for him.

You've lost me now, who is craig? Surname please.

Edit got you now - Craig McEwan - well look at Maverik's results, it says Phillips stopped McEwan in the second.

I'm not Steve! and who is Keith Evans, do you mean Kevin?

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 24 Mar 2005, 21:12

stujones wrote:
bigped wrote:
stujones wrote:Its NOT Lee vs McEwan - The Welsh guy (Phillips who didn't win the WABA's) beat McEwan. If it was Phillips that made the final of the WABA's (losing to O Sullivan) then he is a limited puncher, he floored and hurt O Sullivan in the opener. O Sullivan had a huge gap to close and did so right at the death.

Don't write off Peter Ashton, he was my fighter of the WABA's (it was televised on digital). The Suprise for me was Darren Edwards - a good amateur but light puncher and relentless pressure is the way to beat the lanky Welshman. Thought he would have lost in the semi's. Surely he won't win the final.

Mo Nazzir looked a promising fighter in the WABA's and I thought he might win this thing - so obviously, Ahern must have been pretty impressive and might well go to win it now.

I don't think Kevin Evans will do it, he looked a little bit flabby in the WABA's and it was the poorest I have seen him for a while. For me, an inform Kevin Evans is the best Heavyweight in the country (amateur of course), but he didn't look inform in the WABA's.
Are you sure steve??? i find it very hard to belive craig got beat never mind stopped??? maybe your right major shock if true,,,, keith evans just got best steve simmons 9-8.... good on steve but good experiance for him.
You've lost me now, who is craig? Surname please.

I'm not Steve! and who is Keith Evans, do you mean Kevin?

sorry mate im going daft here, i met stu are you sure craig mcwan got beat by the welsh boy?? saying its major shock if so as craigs one of best amatures in britain... just that on scottish boxing webpage says he won with a stoppage and then u said he didnt? just wonderd if anyone know the result...