UNITED STATES AMATEUR BOXING

[JOE CLOUGH]

HELLO:
I USA BOXING PROGRAM IS WAY BEHIND THE WORLD IN AMATEUR BOXING. THATS WHY NO GOLDS AT THE LAST OLYMIPICS.
THE USA BOXING SHOULD HIRE A NATIONAL COACH FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY AND LET HIM RUN THE PROGRAM. OTHER COUNTRIES BOX IN SO MANY TOURAMENTS THAT THE USA BOXING PASS UP.
USA BOXING WILL NEVER AGAIN BE WHAT IT ONCE WAS.
REGARDS
JOE CLOUGH

[Tomato-Can]

Considering the success of the fighters you have trained maybe YOU should be in charge of the program.

Some of the boxers Joe Clough trained while at the Tacoma Boys Club include;

Ray Seales
Rocky Lockridge
Johnny Bumphus
Leo Randolph
Davey Armstrong
Alan Armstrong
Frank Armstrong

[actjac]

I went back and saw this thread.

Joe Clough was one of THE most respected amatuer coahes in U.S. history.
What he says here is right on and is one of the major reasons for the sports decline in America. There are few amateur gyms anywhere anymore...the same with the pros. Kids don't grow up participating or watching boxing and thus are not fans as adults. However, aartial arts clubs, schools and gyms are exploding and participation of kids is at an all-time high.

[skept]

i will give you a reason why amateur boxing is being run into the ground. look at the way they take fights from kids in these tournaments. look how they have favoritisms and the ones they have no use for get tossed to the side. look at how many national amateur champs lost or got ko'd early in their career. aaron williams, malcolm tann, jaidon codrington, olympian devin vargas all was stopped early in their careers as well as other amateur champs. in 2010 tor hamer lost so there goes his mighty thor promotion before the movie comes out. raul lopez lost also. he is now 3-1-1. due to poliTRICKS, all these guys might have been olympic bound. now for the kids usa boxing always tried to push out like aaron pryor, marvin hagler, mike tyson, have all became heckuva champs. the amateurs who were protected from pryor know who they are. today we have travis peterkin, maybe the most feared 165 in the us. a strong fighter. all 3 rounds. travis fought usa boxings golden boy, luis arias twice, knocking him down twice in the 1st bout and lost and the 2nd time beat him even more and lost both times. the 1st bout is on youtube and im sure the 2nd one is on its way. arias is kind of damaged from the beatings, never the same killer he once was, like in his usa vs puerto rico dual. thats the reason usa has trouble medaling up. trav can make that team. but with the shackles on him, we will witness another amateur go far and fall on his face in the pros while kids like peterkin will make it traveling the long road. but that what builds hall of famers, then maybe.....so be it! all i know is travis has about 100 bouts, no knockdowns and no 8 counts. thats strong. maybe strong enough for the olympics, but i doubt if he stick around.

[crusader]

Are you Travis Peterkin skept? You seem to mention him in every thread. I have seen a few of his fights on the internet and he is quite a good fighter.The first fight with Arias (haven't seen the second) was close but it was a fair decision in my opinion. The fight could have gone either way. Remember, dropping a guy or landing harder punches means nothing in the amateurs. Peterkin will find out very quickly that pro boxing has just as much if not more politics involved, but hey at least he is getting paid.

And on another note, I'm not surprised to see assjac bring up a thread from eight years ago about how boxing is struggling and then talk about all the success martial arts are having.

[crusader]

I went back and saw this thread.

Joe Clough was one of THE most respected amatuer coahes in U.S. history.
What he says here is right on and is one of the major reasons for the sports decline in America. There are few amateur gyms anywhere anymore...the same with the pros. Kids don't grow up participating or watching boxing and thus are not fans as adults. However, aartial arts clubs, schools and gyms are exploding and participation of kids is at an all-time high.

you went back & dug up an 8-year-old thread just for something to complain about?!?

assjac will find anyway to rip on boxing while telling us how MMA is doing everything right

[skept]

Are you Travis Peterkin skept? You seem to mention him in every thread. I have seen a few of his fights on the internet and he is quite a good fighter.The first fight with Arias (haven't seen the second) was close but it was a fair decision in my opinion. The fight could have gone either way. Remember, dropping a guy or landing harder punches means nothing in the amateurs. Peterkin will find out very quickly that pro boxing has just as much if not more politics involved, but hey at least he is getting paid.

And on another note, I'm not surprised to see assjac bring up a thread from eight years ago about how boxing is struggling and then talk about all the success martial arts are having.

nah, im not him but i seen the kid in the amateurs a long time. kid is a good fighter. good kid too. also, in the arias bout, count the effective punches that won arias the bout. very little. i, to a certain degree support travis. if he messes up, i have no problem supporting someone else. i feel the kid should be a candidate for the olympic team. and like i said, if he messes up, i will support someone else. in the meantime, kid is ok.

[actjac]

I went back and saw this thread.

Joe Clough was one of THE most respected amatuer coahes in U.S. history.
What he says here is right on and is one of the major reasons for the sports decline in America. There are few amateur gyms anywhere anymore...the same with the pros. Kids don't grow up participating or watching boxing and thus are not fans as adults. However, aartial arts clubs, schools and gyms are exploding and participation of kids is at an all-time high.

you went back & dug up an 8-year-old thread just for something to complain about?!?

assjac will find anyway to rip on boxing while telling us how MMA is doing everything right

There you go again....ripping the messenger and ignoring the message. I was searching for information on some boxers of yesteryear and ran across a name I recognized and respected...Joe Clough. Is what he says true or is it false?...Period.

The purpose here is NOT about ripping boxing but to get people aware that the trickle of failings are and will continue ro turn into an avalanche which has been happening in U.S. boxing. It is in major decline AND also to make wholesale necessary changes and PERHAPS follow the model that is successful in MMA.
If people here want to support the status qo then they will watch the ship go down....If they will criticize the direction and the crew steering it perhaps it can change course. One of the areas to start in is amateur boxing.

[skept]

actjac, boxing can never be ripped. this sport is the fruit of all sports. it is an honor to see combatants step in that ring and leave with their dignity. boxing can drive a person crazy, or drag on like a soap opera. but i tell you one thing: boxing has shaped the lives of many people. many, many people. a lot of us is in boxing until the end. and we still complain. but wouldnt trade it in.

[hurricanemitch14]

MMA sucks...u like it so much go to their forums...why do we have to say this every time u make thread.

Ur like the flu...u just keep coming back to annoy us.

[actjac]

MMA sucks...u like it so much go to their forums...why do we have to say this every time u make thread.

Ur like the flu...u just keep coming back to annoy us.

Are you mentally deficient?
The thread is about amateur boxing's decline and was posted by one of the most respected amateur coaches in U.S. history!
I said PERHAPS it should follow a successful model like MMA does. What is so wrong with that bit of truth?
As I said earlier:
"The purpose here is NOT about ripping boxing but to get people aware that the trickle of failings are and will continue to turn into an avalanche which has been happening in U.S. boxing. It is in major decline AND also to make wholesale necessary changes and PERHAPS follow the model that is successful in MMA".

[skept]

MMA sucks...u like it so much go to their forums...why do we have to say this every time u make thread.

Ur like the flu...u just keep coming back to annoy us.

Are you mentally deficient?
The thread is about amateur boxing's decline and was posted by one of the most respected amateur coaches in U.S. history!
I said PERHAPS it should follow a successful model like MMA does. What is so wrong with that bit of truth?
As I said earlier:
"The purpose here is NOT about ripping boxing but to get people aware that the trickle of failings are and will continue to turn into an avalanche which has been happening in U.S. boxing. It is in major decline AND also to make wholesale necessary changes and PERHAPS follow the model that is successful in MMA".

actjac, i dont think anyone is ripping anything. its all good. usab is alive and well. wanna see some olympic medals. your points are understood. make sure you already know... respect.