Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Rick do you know at what point in Pac's career did Roach start working with him, also I remember you talking about a gym on Stanton, I always stay with my kids at a motel on Stanton when we go to Knott's Berry Farm, is the gym close to Knott's .

Jake Horn's Stanton gym was on the NW part of Stanton, "the barrio", the two main drags were Beach Bl. and Katella Ave.

[telboy66]

You guys seem keen on women's boxing I'm afraid it's not for me There was a bout on a show I went to a couple of months back I watched the first round then made a quick move to the bar I just can't see the point to it maybe you can enlighten me but I doubt it

tellboy . . . I'm not keen on women's boxing, but I respect Lucia Rijker. I think women have as much right as anybody to fight in the ring, to compete in the Olympics in boxing, etc. Most of the women I've seen fail to generate anything like what I'm used to from a fight, however, Lucia is something special. I recall in the late 60's, Aileen Eaton attempted to give women's boxing a chance, featuring Lady Tiger Trimier. It just didn't catch on. I think women are getting better, and I teach a couple girls, but Lucia is in a class by herself, IMO.

Rick I don't dispute women's right to box if they wish but to me it's on a par with women's tennis it's the poor relation of the men's game

[telboy66]

I saw a movie today called "Sunday Punch" that would have been right up Mel Epstein's alley. The whole premise of the movie was that the dames ruin a fighter every time. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Mel was a consultant on the movie.

Several fighters live in a boarding house run by an older "Mom' type of woman. her The rule of the house is that no dames can enter the house but no sooner does the movie start then the old lady's gorgeous niece moves in. All the fighters go a little bonkers but one of the fighter falls hard as does the ultra naive janitor (played by Dan daily). The janitor decides to become a fighter to impress and win the hand of the fickle women (aren't they all fickle?). needless to say the friendship as well as the training is ruined.

The movie ends well with one fighter giving up boxing and marrying the woman and presumably living happily ever after. The friendship was repaired but a career was ruined. The moral of the story as far as I could tell was,even in the best of circumstances, run like hell when you see a dame coming. No point in taking chances.

Sunday Punch is a classic B movie and like most old B movies it possesses a certain charm. It tosses around words like "Champeenship". The trainers and managers in this movie continually bemoan the current state of boxing and fondly remember the old days (sound familiar?) The Sunday Punch refers to the knockout punch of the janitor turned boxer.

Dames!!

Randy

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035393/

One member of the cast was "Dead End Kid", Leo Gorcey.

Yes, Leo Gorcey. How could I forget to mention him. He was prominent in the movie. He was in character as always.

Randy

Randy is Leo Gorcey the guy from The Bowery boys movies Along with Huntsy Hall,They were part of my early days going to Saturday morning movies

[CNorkusJr]

Hunts Hall played "Satch" Gorcey was "Mugs" or "Mugsy"

Great stuff
Their movie with Bogart was legendary. I think "The Angels with Dirty Faces" or something like that.

[Randyman]

One member of the cast was "Dead End Kid", Leo Gorcey.

Yes, Leo Gorcey. How could I forget to mention him. He was prominent in the movie. He was in character as always.

Randy

Randy is Leo Gorcey the guy from The Bowery boys movies Along with Huntsy Hall,They were part of my early days going to Saturday morning movies

Yes, he was "Slip" Mahoney, the leader of the group. He became the leader when Billy Halop left the gang back when they were originally called the "Dead End Kids". He was my favorite of the group. He always manged to mangle the English language in the most comical way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOe3LSLrqJY

Randy

[Randyman]

You guys seem keen on women's boxing I'm afraid it's not for me There was a bout on a show I went to a couple of months back I watched the first round then made a quick move to the bar I just can't see the point to it maybe you can enlighten me but I doubt it

tellboy . . . I'm not keen on women's boxing, but I respect Lucia Rijker. I think women have as much right as anybody to fight in the ring, to compete in the Olympics in boxing, etc. Most of the women I've seen fail to generate anything like what I'm used to from a fight, however, Lucia is something special. I recall in the late 60's, Aileen Eaton attempted to give women's boxing a chance, featuring Lady Tiger Trimier. It just didn't catch on. I think women are getting better, and I teach a couple girls, but Lucia is in a class by herself, IMO.

Rick I don't dispute women's right to box if they wish but to me it's on a par with women's tennis it's the poor relation of the men's game

Like Rick, I think that Lucia Rijker is something special. Having said that, I long for the days when Boxing was a man's sport.

[THEHAMMER321]

Randy how is the strike going, also about Corrales I agree not a great fighter but a great heart, the same could be said for Arturo Gatti, and both met tragic endings.

[Rick Farris]

You guys seem keen on women's boxing I'm afraid it's not for me There was a bout on a show I went to a couple of months back I watched the first round then made a quick move to the bar I just can't see the point to it maybe you can enlighten me but I doubt it

tellboy . . . I'm not keen on women's boxing, but I respect Lucia Rijker. I think women have as much right as anybody to fight in the ring, to compete in the Olympics in boxing, etc. Most of the women I've seen fail to generate anything like what I'm used to from a fight, however, Lucia is something special. I recall in the late 60's, Aileen Eaton attempted to give women's boxing a chance, featuring Lady Tiger Trimier. It just didn't catch on. I think women are getting better, and I teach a couple girls, but Lucia is in a class by herself, IMO.

Rick I don't dispute women's right to box if they wish but to me it's on a par with women's tennis it's the poor relation of the men's game

I agree with you. Good analogy.

[Rick Farris]

Randy how is the strike going, also about Corrales I agree not a great fighter but a great heart, the same could be said for Arturo Gatti, and both met tragic endings.

A Trainer's Dilemma . . .

Everybody in professional boxing is supposed to get paid. Of course, mangers and promoters always get paid.
Fighters get screwed on a regular basis when it comes to money, and so do trainers.
A Manager has a contract, the fighter and promoter have a contract.
The trainer rarely has a contract, and if the fighter decides to stiff him, there is very little recourse.
Freddie Roach knows this well. So does Joe Goossen, who was stiffed by Diego Corrales of over $100,000.
This was an issue pending when Corrales died in a motorcycle accident. Needless to say, Goossen never got paid.


-Rick Farris

[THEHAMMER321]

Speaking of the ''good old days'' Randy, when I was a teenager, I would argue with my dad about how he thought the old time fighters were better, I would say fighters have gotten better not worse, I think dad was right again.

[Randyman]

Randy how is the strike going, also about Corrales I agree not a great fighter but a great heart, the same could be said for Arturo Gatti, and both met tragic endings.

Paulie, we have yet to come to any sort of agreement. It's hard to rationalize Boeingnot wanting to give us a fair contract. We aren't asking for much. Don't mess with our pension and medical. Two big issues in this contract. We also want parity with the Union in Seattle.

During the last decade the commercial airline and aircraft industries were in a slump. The military side of the house, especially the C-17 program carried the entire company. The company is making billions in profits and the execs and top management are making millions in bonuses. Corporate greed is just inexcusable.

So we'll continue to picket and strike until some compromise is met.

[Randyman]

Speaking of the ''good old days'' Randy, when I was a teenager, I would argue with my dad about how he thought the old time fighters were better, I would say fighters have gotten better not worse, I think dad was right again.

Father knows best!

[THEHAMMER321]

Gaspar Ortega, I have always heard about him and I read a story about him by world famous referee Joe Cortez, Cortez talked about how Gaspar befriended him and his brother when they were kids, got them involved with boxing, what makes his career unusual is he is from Mexico and made his career in New York at a time when not many Mexican people resided in NY, Frank you know much about Gaspar.

[Randyman]

Gaspar Ortega, I have always heard about him and I read a story about him by world famous referee Joe Cortez, Cortez talked about how Gaspar befriended him and his brother when they were kids, got them involved with boxing, what makes his career unusual is he is from Mexico and made his career in New York at a time when not many Mexican people resided in NY, Frank you know much about Gaspar.

Emile Griffith, Roger Esty and Gaspar Ortega


Gaspar Ortega Being Interviewed by Joe Cortez

The above photos are from the 2009 World Boxing Hall of Fame Banquet. Roger and I and our wives had breakfast with Gaspar and his wife the morning after the banquet. Gaspar was the epitome of humbleness. His wife, who is Puerto Rican is from New York, if I remember correctly. Gaspar and his wife now reside in New England, Connecticut, I believe. I'm not sure how long they have been married but maybe she was the reason he lived and fought on the east coast. Just guessing.

Randy

[Rick Farris]

Randy how is the strike going, also about Corrales I agree not a great fighter but a great heart, the same could be said for Arturo Gatti, and both met tragic endings.

Paulie, we have yet to come to any sort of agreement. It's hard to rationalize Boeingnot wanting to give us a fair contract. We aren't asking for much. Don't mess with our pension and medical. Two big issues in this contract. We also want parity with the Union in Seattle.

During the last decade the commercial airline and aircraft industries were in a slump. The military side of the house, especially the C-17 program carried the entire company. The company is making billions in profits and the execs and top management are making millions in bonuses. Corporate greed is just inexcusable.

So we'll continue to picket and strike until some compromise is met.

Randy . . . Sadly, Boeing isn't the same company you went to work for. It's a corporation, and they have no interest in you or their dedicated long term employees. They are no different than film producers, insurance company exec's, bank CEO's, etc. They will take a short term loss to assure a long term gain by minimizing your benefits, cutting your pension, salaries, etc. If you give in, it will be the first of many concessions that will be forced down your throat.

My heart is with you and your Union brothers & sisters.

[kikibalt]

Yes, Leo Gorcey. How could I forget to mention him. He was prominent in the movie. He was in character as always.

Randy

Randy is Leo Gorcey the guy from The Bowery boys movies Along with Huntsy Hall,They were part of my early days going to Saturday morning movies

Yes, he was "Slip" Mahoney, the leader of the group. He became the leader when Billy Halop left the gang back when they were originally called the "Dead End Kids". He was my favorite of the group. He always manged to mangle the English language in the most comical way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOe3LSLrqJY

Randy

The old guy that played "Lil Louie", owner of the soda shop in the Bowery Boys movies was the real father of Leo "Muggsy" Gorcey...

[kikibalt]

Gaspar Ortega, I have always heard about him and I read a story about him by world famous referee Joe Cortez, Cortez talked about how Gaspar befriended him and his brother when they were kids, got them involved with boxing, what makes his career unusual is he is from Mexico and made his career in New York at a time when not many Mexican people resided in NY, Frank you know much about Gaspar.

Paulino, the only thing I know about Ortega is what I have read and seen on TV, seen most of his fights that were on TV. Never met the man.

[Randyman]

Randy how is the strike going, also about Corrales I agree not a great fighter but a great heart, the same could be said for Arturo Gatti, and both met tragic endings.

Paulie, we have yet to come to any sort of agreement. It's hard to rationalize Boeingnot wanting to give us a fair contract. We aren't asking for much. Don't mess with our pension and medical. Two big issues in this contract. We also want parity with the Union in Seattle.

During the last decade the commercial airline and aircraft industries were in a slump. The military side of the house, especially the C-17 program carried the entire company. The company is making billions in profits and the execs and top management are making millions in bonuses. Corporate greed is just inexcusable.

So we'll continue to picket and strike until some compromise is met.

Randy . . . Sadly, Boeing isn't the same company you went to work for. It's a corporation, and they have no interest in you or their dedicated long term employees. They are no different than film producers, insurance company exec's, bank CEO's, etc. They will take a short term loss to assure a long term gain by minimizing your benefits, cutting your pension, salaries, etc. If you give in, it will be the first of many concessions that will be forced down your throat.

My heart is with you and your Union brothers & sisters.

Once upon a time Boeing was in the business of making airplanes and made great money while doing so, now Boeing is in the business of making money and make great airplanes while doing so.

Randy

[Randyman]

Randy is Leo Gorcey the guy from The Bowery boys movies Along with Huntsy Hall,They were part of my early days going to Saturday morning movies

Yes, he was "Slip" Mahoney, the leader of the group. He became the leader when Billy Halop left the gang back when they were originally called the "Dead End Kids". He was my favorite of the group. He always manged to mangle the English language in the most comical way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOe3LSLrqJY

Randy

The old guy that played "Lil Louie", owner of the soda shop in the Bowery Boys movies was the real father of Leo "Muggsy" Gorcey...

Leo Gorcey Talks about His Dad: "Louie Dumbrowsky"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSIqtWhbz4

[telboy66]

I had no idea that Loiue was Leo's dad Randy thanks for putting up those clips they took me back to short trouser days When summers were longer & the only concern was your next ice cream was coming from

[Rick Farris]

Brazil . . .

Monica and I need to go to Brazil, however, my work schedule (related to a future project) is up in the air.
So it looks like we'll have to wait until things are worked out.

The great thing about Brazil for us is that Monica gets to see her family, and I get to have a lot of fun and relax. We won't go to Rio or Sao Paolo, we'll head to Salvador, Bahia, on the N/E coast. Things are a bit more relaxed in that part of the country, beautiful beaches. Women out number the men considerably, and many are absolutely beautiful! This is one place on the face of the earth where I am waited on 24/7 by beautiful women, a place where a man can be a man without all hell breaking loose. I married the right woman and I love the culture.


-Ricardo
(pronounced "Hicardo" in Portugese)

[Rick Farris]

Ali on the best ever . . .

Larry King asked Muhammad Ali, "Do you really think you are the greatest?"

Ali answered . . . "Of course not. How would I know who the greatest fighter was. How can you compare fighters of different eras?
I was probably the best of my time, but how do I know what would have happened if I fought Louis, Dempsey, or Jack Johnson.
Who knows?"

[kikibalt]

Ali on the best ever . . .

Larry King asked Muhammad Ali, "Do you really think you are the greatest?"

Ali answered . . . "Of course not. How would I know who the greatest fighter was. How can you compare fighters of different eras?
I was probably the best of my time, but how do I know what would have happened if I fought Louis, Dempsey, or Jack Johnson.
Who knows?"

Ali, told Howard Cosell, "I wish you were a tree and I was a dog"

[THEHAMMER321]

Ali on the best ever . . .

Larry King asked Muhammad Ali, "Do you really think you are the greatest?"

Ali answered . . . "Of course not. How would I know who the greatest fighter was. How can you compare fighters of different eras?
I was probably the best of my time, but how do I know what would have happened if I fought Louis, Dempsey, or Jack Johnson.
Who knows?"

Ali, told Howard Cosell, "I wish you were a tree and I was a dog"

About Howard Cosell, I met Tex Cobb when I was working at the Riviera hotel in 1984, he was eating in the restaurant where I was working, so I told him I was a boxing fan, and we talked for a few minutes this guy could talk, I said what's the deal with Cosell quitting boxing after your fight with Holmes, he said '' you mean that f--king K-ke quit boxing cause I got my a-- whipped, my pleasure''

[Rick Farris]

Ali on the best ever . . .

Larry King asked Muhammad Ali, "Do you really think you are the greatest?"

Ali answered . . . "Of course not. How would I know who the greatest fighter was. How can you compare fighters of different eras?
I was probably the best of my time, but how do I know what would have happened if I fought Louis, Dempsey, or Jack Johnson.
Who knows?"

Ali, told Howard Cosell, "I wish you were a tree and I was a dog"