Lonsdale Belt question

[sevenofgeorge]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

[n1ebf]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

A Scot is a Brit. As is a Welshman, a Northern Irishman and an Englishman. Only these fighters can contest the Lonsdale belt, or British Title. The Irish (separate country to Northern Ireland, which is part of Britain, have their own domestic title. I don't think you have to have been born here but you must be a Brit citizen to contest the Lonsdale.

[BigEars]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

A Scot is a Brit. As is a Welshman, a Northern Irishman and an Englishman. Only these fighters can contest the Lonsdale belt, or British Title. The Irish (separate country to Northern Ireland, which is part of Britain, have their own domestic title. I don't think you have to have been born here but you must be a Brit citizen to contest the Lonsdale.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not part of Britain, hence why it's called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not all those from Northern Ireland consider themselves British, roughly half of the people are Irish and the other half British, but those from Northern Ireland(whether British or Irish) generally will contest for the British/Commonwealth title if they are of a good enough quality to do so.

Boxers from the Republic of Ireland cannot contest British or Commonwealth title fights, unless through some method(eg. residency) they have obtained British citizenship. The Irish title(sanctioned by the Boxing Union of Ireland or BUI) is an All-Ireland title(Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland) and open to all fighters from the island of Ireland or those who are entitled to Irish citizenship(they do not actually have to have citizenship).

To answer the OP question, you can only win a Lonsdale belt outright through winning the British title and either defending it enough times(or else winning it on 4 ?, seperate occasions). This along with the standard of British title fights generally being quite high means the belt is held in very high esteem. Plus it looks quite nice too :)

[-KOKid-]

For more info and history on Lonsdale belts, I greatly recommend you to read "Lonsdale's Belt - The Story of Boxing's Greatest Prize", by John Harding.
I read it last year and thought it was brilliant.

[Adamj1987]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

A Scot is a Brit. As is a Welshman, a Northern Irishman and an Englishman. Only these fighters can contest the Lonsdale belt, or British Title. The Irish (separate country to Northern Ireland, which is part of Britain, have their own domestic title. I don't think you have to have been born here but you must be a Brit citizen to contest the Lonsdale.

shinny bayaar is a britt champ isnt he? and hes mongolian by birth

[tonyevs]

The lonsdale is the best looking belt on offer out there ... It puts the world title belts to shame in the looks dept.

in recent times, the better known of our world champs have avoided the title .. And didn't Junior Witter get awarded his before the mandatory defences?

[Gazmac81]

i think he did as the board wouldnt saction certian fights and he no one really wanted to fight him , Same thing happened to Scottt Harrison he needed one defence and was trying to get fight with Pickering who at the time was a perfectly valid opponent in my opinion and the board apparently wouldnt saction it , Dont think Harrison got awarded the Belt though .

The lonsdale is the best looking belt on offer out there ... It puts the world title belts to shame in the looks dept.

in recent times, the better known of our world champs have avoided the title .. And didn't Junior Witter get awarded his before the mandatory defences?

[twenty six]

Shinny is a UK Citizen and holds a UK passport.
He had to wait for quite a while to contest the title whilst the applications were being dealt with.
Ryan owns a Lonsdale outright from the first time round.
When he won the title again against Woolcombe, the Board official took the belt straight off him after the photos !
Rhodes record of 90 days for winning the belt outright can't be broken now.
The rules changed and it's win and three defences now.
A beautiful asset to hold - the best there is.

[twenty six]

That's right about Junior.
No one would take him on, that was of the level the Board deemed appropriate.
You can't strip a guy for not fighting in these circumstances.
I think this was the Board's way of getting Junior to relinquish, by keeping the belt.
It then opened the way to a vacant title.

[winkveron]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

A Scot is a Brit. As is a Welshman, a Northern Irishman and an Englishman. Only these fighters can contest the Lonsdale belt, or British Title. The Irish (separate country to Northern Ireland, which is part of Britain, have their own domestic title. I don't think you have to have been born here but you must be a Brit citizen to contest the Lonsdale.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not part of Britain, hence why it's called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not all those from Northern Ireland consider themselves British, roughly half of the people are Irish and the other half British, but those from Northern Ireland(whether British or Irish) generally will contest for the British/Commonwealth title if they are of a good enough quality to do so.

Boxers from the Republic of Ireland cannot contest British or Commonwealth title fights, unless through some method(eg. residency) they have obtained British citizenship. The Irish title(sanctioned by the Boxing Union of Ireland or BUI) is an All-Ireland title(Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland) and open to all fighters from the island of Ireland or those who are entitled to Irish citizenship(they do not actually have to have citizenship).

To answer the OP question, you can only win a Lonsdale belt outright through winning the British title and either defending it enough times(or else winning it on 4 ?, seperate occasions). This along with the standard of British title fights generally being quite high means the belt is held in very high esteem. Plus it looks quite nice too :)

I also think it is quite hard to win because usually after a couple of defences a fighter is ready for Euro level and usually relinquishes, or maybe sees a final defence as high risk / little reward when there is a more lucrative Euro/World fight on the cards.

But if I was a boxer and I could plan an ideal career it would definitely include winning the Lonsdale outright.

[n1ebf]

Shinny is a UK Citizen and holds a UK passport.
He had to wait for quite a while to contest the title whilst the applications were being dealt with.
Ryan owns a Lonsdale outright from the first time round.
When he won the title again against Woolcombe, the Board official took the belt straight off him after the photos !
Rhodes record of 90 days for winning the belt outright can't be broken now.
The rules changed and it's win and three defences now.
A beautiful asset to hold - the best there is.

oh well Ryan's CV answers the question in a nutshell

[n1ebf]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances? Say like if a Canadian named Billy Bob Magoo (just an example) won a Commonwealth Title and had defeated several Lonsdale Belt holders in succession or over a certain time, would that qualify you to win one? Also is it only Brits that are awarded it or can Scots, Irish, Welsh etc be awarded it?

A Scot is a Brit. As is a Welshman, a Northern Irishman and an Englishman. Only these fighters can contest the Lonsdale belt, or British Title. The Irish (separate country to Northern Ireland, which is part of Britain, have their own domestic title. I don't think you have to have been born here but you must be a Brit citizen to contest the Lonsdale.

shinny bayaar is a britt champ isnt he? and hes mongolian by birth

So was Choi Tsveenpureev, probably better that Shinny, but I don't think he's eligible to contest the British yet :x

maybe Shinny married a British bird or something.

[Coco]

I think Magri was awarded a Lonsdale belt for keeps because there was no one to fight him

[sevenofgeorge]

So what you guys are saying is that you have to be a British citizen to hold a Lonsdale Belt. No special circumstances? Like say I was a good fighter and I defeated a whole bunch of BBBofC champs and Lonsdale Belts holders in my career. Would that not qualify as a good reason to award a Lonsdale Belt, the most beautiful belt in the sport of boxing by far?

[n1ebf]

So what you guys are saying is that you have to be a British citizen to hold a Lonsdale Belt. No special circumstances? Like say I was a good fighter and I defeated a whole bunch of BBBofC champs and Lonsdale Belts holders in my career. Would that not qualify as a good reason to award a Lonsdale Belt, the most beautiful belt in the sport of boxing by far?

No. It's a local belt for local people

[bennie]

South African heavyweight Ben Foord won a British title - just two years after winning the South African title. He must have slipped the net.

[slapbangwhallop]

I thought that you had to either have British citizenship or qualify for British citizenship to hold the British title and therefore the Lonsdale belt).

I know of fighters that dont hold a British passport and/or British licences that have fought for the British title.

[sevenofgeorge]

So what you guys are saying is that you have to be a British citizen to hold a Lonsdale Belt. No special circumstances? Like say I was a good fighter and I defeated a whole bunch of BBBofC champs and Lonsdale Belts holders in my career. Would that not qualify as a good reason to award a Lonsdale Belt, the most beautiful belt in the sport of boxing by far?

No. It's a local belt for local people

Selfish bastards ! They could have at least made it an ugly belt if you wanted to keep it for you English pigdogs, maybe put Camille Parker Bowles' face on it and rename it the Bowles Belt or the Bowles Syndrome Title D . Just kidding, that would be a terrible way to disgrace such a prestigous title.

[housesecond]

Pop Quiz, who's the last boxer to win a lonsdale belt outright for 3 title winning fights before the rule changed to 4?

[whicker]

Is the Lonsdale Belt awarded only to BBBofC Title holders with three consecutive defenses or can a non BBBofC Title Holder be awarded one under certain circumstances?

I think these days, its more about who a fighter has beaten, not what belt he holds/owns outfight.

Big fights recently have sometimes not been for a title at all.

[bennie]

Pop Quiz, who's the last boxer to win a lonsdale belt outright for 3 title winning fights before the rule changed to 4?

Howard Eastman.

[housesecond]

Pop Quiz, who's the last boxer to win a lonsdale belt outright for 3 title winning fights before the rule changed to 4?

Howard Eastman.

Is that a guess? Because I've got a different answer.

[boxingchat]

Witter?

[Old bones Ian]

Witter got his belt without winning the fights , as there were no contenders deemed good enough to face him. is that correct?

Oh and my answer is Bobby Vanzie

[Ash-Weston]

Pop Quiz, who's the last boxer to win a lonsdale belt outright for 3 title winning fights before the rule changed to 4?

Howard Eastman.

JOHN THAXTON!!!!! please tell me im right (im probably wrong though lol)