They all weighed in between the high 180s and 200 pounds in their primes for their title matches. How would they stack up against modern Cruiserweights?
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Rocky Marciano at 195 could be interesting.
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Jack Dempsey at 195 could be interesting.
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Louis at 195 could be interesting.
Actually, I have always wondered how Roy Jones Jr. (obviously today's version) vs. a late 80s Evander Holyfield would have gone. I would have honestly picked Evander Holyfield.
Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis as Cruiser today
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Tomato-Can
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Prometheus74
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If Roy didn't play around, didn't sit on the ropes, didn't undertrain, I think he would surprise us all against these guys.
Joe Louis wouldn't be able to keep up with him, but if he did catch him, it might be lights out. I've only seen Roy get hit flush once, and that was by Lou Del Valle. It was a picture-perfect straight left to the temple that sent Roy down for the first and so far the only time in his career. I don't know that Roy would play in these fights knowing the devastation in these guys' fists.
You say Roy versus these three, but with what era's rules? 12 or 15 rounds? Hit him as soon as he's off the canvas(a la Dempsey vs. Willard), or wait until the ref wipes off his gloves and has him step forward? The way some refs call fights these days, he might end up stopping Marciano on cuts. If Roy fought Dempsey back in his heyday, who's to say that Jack wouldn't coat his hands with plaster-of-paris like he allegedly did against Jess Willard? We'll never know if he really did or not because they didn't check for that kind of stuff back then. They used to put their gloves on in the ring.
As for Evander, that fight would be the stuff of legends. Holy was much quicker back then and he's always had a hell of a chin. Plus, his boxing skills and his hard head would give Roy fits. Roy's never been cut. How would he react to that? Everybody gets some kind of wound on their head when they fight Holyfield, and it's not always from his fists.
Joe Louis wouldn't be able to keep up with him, but if he did catch him, it might be lights out. I've only seen Roy get hit flush once, and that was by Lou Del Valle. It was a picture-perfect straight left to the temple that sent Roy down for the first and so far the only time in his career. I don't know that Roy would play in these fights knowing the devastation in these guys' fists.
You say Roy versus these three, but with what era's rules? 12 or 15 rounds? Hit him as soon as he's off the canvas(a la Dempsey vs. Willard), or wait until the ref wipes off his gloves and has him step forward? The way some refs call fights these days, he might end up stopping Marciano on cuts. If Roy fought Dempsey back in his heyday, who's to say that Jack wouldn't coat his hands with plaster-of-paris like he allegedly did against Jess Willard? We'll never know if he really did or not because they didn't check for that kind of stuff back then. They used to put their gloves on in the ring.
As for Evander, that fight would be the stuff of legends. Holy was much quicker back then and he's always had a hell of a chin. Plus, his boxing skills and his hard head would give Roy fits. Roy's never been cut. How would he react to that? Everybody gets some kind of wound on their head when they fight Holyfield, and it's not always from his fists.
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Roy Jones best assets are his hand and foot speed. He left some of his power at 168. He would leave much of his hand and foot speed at 175. Without all of his speed and none of his power he gets eaten alive buy those guys at 195.
That plaster of paris junk has been discussed here before. Anyone who tries that would break their hands before inflicting any damage on their opponents.
That plaster of paris junk has been discussed here before. Anyone who tries that would break their hands before inflicting any damage on their opponents.
Re: Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis as Cruiser today
no chance for Jones......he also would loose against Gene Tunney and be kayoed by Max Schmeling.Newbie wrote:They all weighed in between the high 180s and 200 pounds in their primes for their title matches. How would they stack up against modern Cruiserweights?
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Rocky Marciano at 195 could be interesting.
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Jack Dempsey at 195 could be interesting.
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Louis at 195 could be interesting.
Actually, I have always wondered how Roy Jones Jr. (obviously today's version) vs. a late 80s Evander Holyfield would have gone. I would have honestly picked Evander Holyfield.
i wonder we he don't accept dariusz.
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Prometheus74
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Just because he'd be fighting them, doesn't mean he'd be fighting them at their weight. How much did Sugar Ray Robinson weight when he fought Joey Maxim? How much did Billy Conn weigh when he fought Joe Louis? These guys that moved up to try and take the title from bigger guys didn't succeed, but they were smart enough to know that they shouldn't put pounds where they don't belong. You can bet Roy would know too.
Open the discussion up to cruiserweights in general and not just Roy Jones and you'd have one of the best weight divsions in boxing. Joe Louis was much faster in his earlier days than the Louis we too often see after WWII and he'd pretty much wipe out the field. Make it fifteen rounds and modern rules. Tomato Can is on target with the plaster of paris nonsense.As an experiment for a magazine years ago they did that with Cleveland Williams' fists. At first it slowed his arms down so much they had no power, and then the plaster started to crumble right away. Good point about allowing the fighter to stand right there and hit a guy as soon as he got up. Can you imagine anybody getting up that often against Louis, as Willard did?
Schmelling would proabbly be a decent cruiser,and Max Baer is just a few pounds over the limit, but it would be a joy to see him land just one on Roy Jones. Anyway, a very interesting topic.
Schmelling would proabbly be a decent cruiser,and Max Baer is just a few pounds over the limit, but it would be a joy to see him land just one on Roy Jones. Anyway, a very interesting topic.
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Homicide Henry
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Are u kidding me?! The Classic Fighters were the best!
Dempsey was too damn ferocious, so Jones would be done in a round or two. Marciano was way too damn powerful and could take a punch, as well as Dempsey, and he would destroy Jones withing a single round. Why do I say this? Marciano and Dempsey easily dispatched men who were bigger and heavier than they were and had tremendous power for being only 170-190+ lbs. Louis...forget it! Jones would be knocked out be Louis in at least 5 rounds for the simple fact that Louis stalked his opponents, while Dempsey and Marciano would be on their opponents asses the whole 15 rounds. Louis had power to knock out his opponents with a six inch punch...a feat not many heavyweights, cruiserweights and Lightheavyweights today I see do it.
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Jones would be heavily outmatched by power. The most that he would be able to do is run the whole fight and score a decision using just jabs. This calls for a pretty boring fight, besides Jones would probably try to touch his toe and throw a punch only to get his head knocked off
Jones would be killed by any of the challengers.
Jones would be killed by any of the challengers.
Jones come off to me as a pretty boy who does not like getting too roughed up or hit much. That is not good news when you are matching against Marciano or Dempsey. THose guys loved to bang, and loved to brawl in close counters.
Most know how Marciano was know to keep punching and punching backing his opponents up and hammering every thing from the head body to his forearms and arms. One opponent had to have surgery on his arms and get the clotting removed. Jones could not withstand the preasure, the power, and his indomitable will.
As for Dempsey there is good reason they called him the "Manassa Mauler". He loved to tangle on the inside. World Boxing called him the best inside fighter of all the heavyweight champions. He was fecious, and fought in a time when if you were down you could be hit while trying to get up. He was as tough as they come. In his prime (1917-1923) he was a terror. His power was awsome. top contenders were blowned out in the first 30 seconds like they were tomato cans. He learned to hit hard and hit often, as boxing in those days was a brutal sport. Again Jones would be swarmed by a hitter like he has never felt. Dempsey was never discourage like Rocky was never.
As for Holyfield, Evander was untouchable at cruiser and too big. Jones may out box Louis, but when Joe caught him he would be KOed, like Conn (and that is the best Jones could hope for as he might have ended up like Lewis). Jones may out box Rocky and Dempsey too, but as the rounds go by and the punches add up Jones would be in a fight he has never been in, and would loose.
Most know how Marciano was know to keep punching and punching backing his opponents up and hammering every thing from the head body to his forearms and arms. One opponent had to have surgery on his arms and get the clotting removed. Jones could not withstand the preasure, the power, and his indomitable will.
As for Dempsey there is good reason they called him the "Manassa Mauler". He loved to tangle on the inside. World Boxing called him the best inside fighter of all the heavyweight champions. He was fecious, and fought in a time when if you were down you could be hit while trying to get up. He was as tough as they come. In his prime (1917-1923) he was a terror. His power was awsome. top contenders were blowned out in the first 30 seconds like they were tomato cans. He learned to hit hard and hit often, as boxing in those days was a brutal sport. Again Jones would be swarmed by a hitter like he has never felt. Dempsey was never discourage like Rocky was never.
As for Holyfield, Evander was untouchable at cruiser and too big. Jones may out box Louis, but when Joe caught him he would be KOed, like Conn (and that is the best Jones could hope for as he might have ended up like Lewis). Jones may out box Rocky and Dempsey too, but as the rounds go by and the punches add up Jones would be in a fight he has never been in, and would loose.