Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Frank, didn't you post a picture on here once, with Huntley and one of your sons ?

Yes, more then one I think, Dub worked some of my boys fights....

[kikibalt]

Went this morning to my daughter melissa's graduation ceremony, it was at the Thomas and Mack arena, I was there on my 17th birthday on april 5 1984 when Kareem broke Wilts scoring record, pretty unlikely place considering we don't even have a pro basketball team, but the Utah JAZZ were playing some of there home games there and were playing the Laker's, congratulations to Melissa on graduating.

Congrats to Melissa.....

[THEHAMMER321]

Thank you to all on here, with the kind words about Melissa.

[kikibalt]

Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

Tom, I don't know what a cutman uses, thats a part of boxing I never got involved with, I would have being over my head. As for Jerry, I don't think he knew much about that either, Dub trained him and all of a sudden he is a cutman. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jerry, I just don't think he had the expertise...

[Rick Farris]

Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

Tom, I don't what a cutman uses, thats a part of boxing I never got involved with, I would have being over my head. As for Jerry, I don't think he knew much about that either, Dub trained him and all of a sudden he is a cutman. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jerry, I just don't think he had the expertise...

Thank you, Frank!
I don't remember Boyd working all that much, maybe with Dub's boys, but others?
I remember seeing this guy, but he wasn't considered special in town, of course, I left boxing before 1976.

He was a very special writer. And for that

[THEHAMMER321]

Speaking of cutmen, remember Eddie ''the clot'' Aliano, he used to be in many of corner back when I was watching ESPN in the 1980s he worked mostly back east, but he was one of the best.

[kikibalt]

Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

Tom, I don't what a cutman uses, thats a part of boxing I never got involved with, I would have being over my head. As for Jerry, I don't think he knew much about that either, Dub trained him and all of a sudden he is a cutman. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jerry, I just don't think he had the expertise...

Thank you, Frank!
I don't remember Boyd working all that much, maybe with Dub's boys, but others?
I remember seeing this guy, but he wasn't considered special in town, of course, I left boxing before 1976.

He was a very special writer. And for that

I think Jerry came around in the mid-'80's, I don't remember him been around when Tony was fighting on CBS in the early '80's, but lets remember also that he didn't come from a boxing background....

[THEHAMMER321]

About action fights, Tony's fight with Blake was one of the best action fights that year,but his reputation got the better of Roger Mayweather, who decided running was a lot safer then getting knocked cold by Tony's left hook, that fight on the other hand was a dud, not Tony's fault.

[Rick Farris]

When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

[THEHAMMER321]

Ray Arcel who is legendary, used to joke about how many Joe Louis victims, he was in the corner of, not sure of when the last time he worked a corner, but he was in Holmes corner for the Cooney fight.

[Rick Farris]

Ray Arcel who is legendary, used to joke about how many Joe Louis victims, he was in the corner of, not sure of when the last time he worked a corner, but he was in Holmes corner for the Cooney fight.

Arcel said that he worked the corner of so many of Louis' opponents, that one time Joe commented, "You again?"

[kikibalt]

When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

[bennie]

When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

Danny Holland was one of our greatest ever cutsmen. He worked the corner of Henry Cooper.

[kikibalt]

Good morning Bennie, its morning for us anyway....

[raylawpc]

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[bennie]

Good morning Bennie, its morning for us anyway....

Well, it's late afternoon here in England, Frankie, on a wet but muggy day - horrible.

[THEHAMMER321]

Good morning all, talking about good cut men I would think if you looked at all the champions and top ten contenders who were bleeders, if they didn't have good cut men they never would have made it that far, like Marciano for instance I am sure he must have had a good cut man.

[Counter-puncher]

When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

Danny Holland was one of our greatest ever cutsmen. He worked the corner of Henry Cooper.

bennie, could you remind me, who was the guy who looked after Buchanan? he did a tremendous job on his swelling in the 2nd Laguna fight..........

[raylawpc]

Good morning all, talking about good cut men I would think if you looked at all the champions and top ten contenders who were bleeders, if they didn't have good cut men they never would have made it that far, like Marciano for instance I am sure he must have had a good cut man.

He had Freddie Brown in all of his important fights. There was no one better than Freddie Brown.

[raylawpc]

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

Danny Holland was one of our greatest ever cutsmen. He worked the corner of Henry Cooper.

bennie, could you remind me, who was the guy who looked after Buchanan? he did a tremendous job on his swelling in the 2nd Laguna fight..........

Bennie, wasn't Buchanan's manager, Eddie Thomas, also his cutman in the corner? One story I heard about that fight was that Thomas cut Buchanan's eye to relieve the swelling. True?

[Counter-puncher]

eddie thomas, Myrthyr Tydfil man, thats him thank you.

raylaw- ringside reporters, Hugh McIlvanney among them, always attested that Thomas cut into the swelling below Buchanan's left eye that night.

he certainly went out for the- i think- 4th or 5th round with a very fine cut and slightly decreased swelling.

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank did you go out today for your ''breakfast of champions'' ?

[THEHAMMER321]

Tom, thinking about basketball again, I can't understand why anybody would want a trouble maker like Ron Artest on your team is beyond me, not questioning Phil Jackson's judgement for a second,but guys like that no matter how good they are, are so often detrimental to the whole chemistry of the team, same could be said for Terrel Owens, Latrell Sprewell,etc.

[Panzerfaust]

My better half made Chilli con carne for dinner today, and man was it good best thing i had a legit reason to eat all the ice cream in the fridge afterwards.

[kikibalt]

Frank did you go out today for your ''breakfast of champions'' ?

Only on Fridays Paul....