Lewis is lucky Ibeabuchi was jailed!

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 08:50

I think it's fairly obvious that Ike would have given Lewis his toughest test for a long long time. Ibeabuchi had it all. In the Tua fight, he showed REMARKABLE CHIN to take some Tua bombs (This was a prime Tua). Ike beat him at his own fight and showed that he was a better IN-fighter than Tua. He also showed supreme stamina to keep going in what was one of the best heavyweight fights of all time. Ibeabuchi was smart enough to figure Byrd out and launch a perfect left hook/uppercut to KO him, showing good power. And he showed heart in his fights. He had all the qualities. Lewis would have had to dig deep to beat him and I think it's fairly obvious that Ibeabuchi would figure Lewis out and KO him late.

Lewis is very lucky that Ike went to prison.

J · Post by J » 06 Apr 2005, 08:56

ifs buts maybes.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:00

I think you are selling Lewis short there, Although most don't want to admit it Lewis was the best Heavy weight of the last 20 years and he would have figured out and beaten Ike without much trouble. Lewis was a great athlete and Ike looked good taking Tua's shots but Lewis didn't even take 1 off him and that shows how much of a better boxer he is. Boxing is not about who has the best chin and Lewis was better in all the other areas than Ike.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:00

At times Ibeabuchi did seem like a bigger, stronger version of Holyfield. It's turned out to be a heck of a loss for boxing.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:01

How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:12

All these pionts don't say that Lewis was a far better BOXER than Ike.
Ike took shots off Tua but Lewis would land a lot more punches than Tua did. Lewis also had a good jab.

Is it that hard to understand that maybe Lewis could have boxed for the 12 rounds and won a UD. Or even stopped Ike late he also punched hard as well.
The thing is Lewis always rose to the occasion when fighting in big fights he only lost against fighters that were below his standard and against Ike he would have been fully focused just like against all the good fighters he fought.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:22

lirva33 wrote:How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.

Yeah, Ibeabuchi took bombs off tua, and shortly afterward complained of serious headaches, blackouts and visual and auditory hallucinations, and shortly afterward went mad and locked a hooker in his hotel room and ended up in a fornicating prison.

The fact he took bombs off Tua demonstrates two things.

1 He has a great chin.
2 He was pretty fornicating stupid, and would have had a short career.

Lewis took Tua to school absolutely pissed all over him and deterred him early on with a body shot which kept Tua negative, Ike stood and traded.

Sure, Ike would have had a punchers chance, but I don't agree that Tua punches any harder than Lewis, Lewis' overhand right is the hardest shot I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. The shot which coldcocked Rahman, would have done for any heavyweight in history.

Oh and unlike Rahman, Lewis was ON HIS FEET against McCall and Rahman, he was never knocked out, both were TKO's. So how you can say he was Ko'd into the middle of next week when he made it up before the count is beyond me.

Ibeabuchi is mythologised by people like yourself, but the fact is he's a far lunatic who is in jail and belongs there, and he never proved himself world class material. Any guy who gets hit as much as he did will never last long.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:28

This retarded thread belongs with the yanks on current scene.

Ike Ibeabuchi scraped a debatable 12 rd decision over David Tua in 1997, Lennox Lewis won an easy, lopsided 12 rd decision over David Tua in 2000, busting his face & ribs up in the process.

Ike Ibeabuchi knocked out Chris Byrd. We could probably name 10 better fighters than Byrd that Lewis knocked out.

Get over Ike.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:34

lirva33 wrote:How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.

Hohoho, you're a dreamer. Name one fighter Ibeabuchi ever beat, who was ANYWHERE near as good as Lewis.

You can't, because he never did. Byrd is feather fisted and was not as experienced then as now. Sure he stopped Byrd, what do you think Lewis would have done to Byrd, personally, I think he would have absolutely taken him to pieces, without even trying for the knockout his power and boxing skills would have mangled him.

Sure Briggs had Lewis in a spot of bother, but what happened after that? Ruddock was every bit as ferocious as Ibeabuchi, and he got bumfucked, as did Golota. These were all big strong guys, and Lewis tore through them. Lewis always said he loved fighting the big guys, the reason was, he was always faster than them, and hit harder.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:37

Ben Keilty wrote:All these pionts don't say that Lewis was a far better BOXER than Ike.
Ike took shots off Tua but Lewis would land a lot more punches than Tua did. Lewis also had a good jab.

Is it that hard to understand that maybe Lewis could have boxed for the 12 rounds and won a UD. Or even stopped Ike late he also punched hard as well.
The thing is Lewis always rose to the occasion when fighting in big fights he only lost against fighters that were below his standard and against Ike he would have been fully focused just like against all the good fighters he fought.

Lewis wouldn't have stopped Ike. If Ibeabuchi can take Tuas shots EVERY ROUND for 12 rounds, Lewis will not stop him, so get that out of your head.

Ibeabuchi has a JAB. Mercer and BRUNO (I repeat... BRUNO), gave Lewis a lot of trouble with jabs.

Ibeabuchi is much better than Bruno or Mercer IMO.

Ibeabuchi could box as well as fight. Lewis wouldn't outbox him IMO.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:39

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
lirva33 wrote:How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.
Yeah, Ibeabuchi took bombs off tua, and shortly afterward complained of serious headaches, blackouts and visual and auditory hallucinations, and shortly afterward went mad and locked a hooker in his hotel room and ended up in a fornicating prison.

The fact he took bombs off Tua demonstrates two things.

1 He has a great chin.
2 He was pretty fornicating stupid, and would have had a short career.

Lewis took Tua to school absolutely pissed all over him and deterred him early on with a body shot which kept Tua negative, Ike stood and traded.

Sure, Ike would have had a punchers chance, but I don't agree that Tua punches any harder than Lewis, Lewis' overhand right is the hardest shot I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. The shot which coldcocked Rahman, would have done for any heavyweight in history.

Oh and unlike Rahman, Lewis was ON HIS FEET against McCall and Rahman, he was never knocked out, both were TKO's. So how you can say he was Ko'd into the middle of next week when he made it up before the count is beyond me.

Ibeabuchi is mythologised by people like yourself, but the fact is he's a far lunatic who is in jail and belongs there, and he never proved himself world class material. Any guy who gets hit as much as he did will never last long.

Lewis was KTFO by Rahman and McCall. "Oh, he was on his feet, it's ok"... He would have been fornicating killed if they fights went on. If the ref wasn't there he would have fallen on his face after McCall clocked him. He was BLASTED out.

Ibeabuchi is better than McCall and Rahman by miles.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:41

overhand_right wrote:This retarded thread belongs with the yanks on current scene.

Ike Ibeabuchi scraped a debatable 12 rd decision over David Tua in 1997, Lennox Lewis won an easy, lopsided 12 rd decision over David Tua in 2000, busting his face & ribs up in the process.

Ike Ibeabuchi knocked out Chris Byrd. We could probably name 10 better fighters than Byrd that Lewis knocked out.

Get over Ike.

You belong in Lewis house wiping his ass and sucking his cock.

I am not the only person in the world who thinks Ibeabuchi would beat Lewis and if you don't think he would have given him a good fight then open up the Lewis pictures in your scrapbook and pull your cock.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:44

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
lirva33 wrote:How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.
Hohoho, you're a dreamer. Name one fighter Ibeabuchi ever beat, who was ANYWHERE near as good as Lewis.

You can't, because he never did. Byrd is feather fisted and was not as experienced then as now. Sure he stopped Byrd, what do you think Lewis would have done to Byrd, personally, I think he would have absolutely taken him to pieces, without even trying for the knockout his power and boxing skills would have mangled him.

Sure Briggs had Lewis in a spot of bother, but what happened after that? Ruddock was every bit as ferocious as Ibeabuchi, and he got bumfucked, as did Golota. These were all big strong guys, and Lewis tore through them. Lewis always said he loved fighting the big guys, the reason was, he was always faster than them, and hit harder.

Byrd was featherfisted, but Tua wasn't.

Lewis loved fighing big guys like Vitali and Bruno didn't he. Guy's like Grant and Golota don't prove anything. Overhyped. What do you think Ibeabuchi would have done with Grant and Golota???

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:44

I'm too busy fornicating your mum to do that.

There may well be people who think he would have beat Lewis, the dumb crazy fornicator couldn't stay out of jail. Part of being a great fighter is not getting yourself incarcerated.

Go and play in the current scene with the other retards.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:46

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'm too busy fornicating your mum to do that.

There may well be people who think he would have beat Lewis, the dumb crazy fornicator couldn't stay out of jail. Part of being a great fighter is not getting yourself incarcerated.

Go and play in the current scene with the other retards.

I was responding to overhand right.

Otherwise, my points are valid and Ibeabuchi would have had a great chance at beating Lewis.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:47

umm, i think I AM in the current scene. james, i'm surprised to lowered yourself to trash talk (funny as it was).

The fight COULD have been competitive, nobody could deny that. However, Ibeabuchi would have struggled to engage a respecting Lewis in warfare and lennox would have picked him apart. With a couple of scares along the way. Ike would have been a worthy contender, but fallen short when faced with lennox's physical advantages and boxing brain.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:49

ok, lets assume Michael Grant was a nutter and went to prison in late June 1999...

he has just beaten up Lou Saverese, stopped Sullivan, Izon, Gonzalez.
He was 30-0 (21 kos)

to this day people would have been saying that Grant was too good for Lewis.

Lewis was lucky Grant went to prison

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:52

knockout wrote:ok, lets assume Michael Grant was a nutter and went to prison in late June 1999...

he has just beaten up Lou Saverese, stopped Sullivan, Izon, Gonzalez.
He was 30-0 (21 kos)

to this day people would have been saying that Grant was too good for Lewis.

Lewis was lucky Grant went to prison

No... there is a big difference between what Ibeabuchi and Grant had achieved there. Plus, looking at Grant, it was obvious he had some flaws and there were some question marks. However, there are not many question marks over Ike. Power, Chin, Heart, Stamina, Boxing ability etc. He proved his worth.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:55

lirva33 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
lirva33 wrote:How would the fight go, well let's try to figure it out...

Ibeabuchi took BOMBS from Tua and stayed upright. Tua punches harder than Lewis or equal (for arguments sake) so we can assume that Ibeabuchi wouldn't have been KO'd.

Vitali and Rahman gave Lewis trouble with jabs. When they pressed the action, Lewis was troubled. Bruno and Mercer troubled Lewis with jabs.Ike Ibeabuchi had a jab. We can assume he would have given Lewis trouble.

Shannon Briggs had Lewis all over the place in the first round. Rahman and McCall KO's Lewis into next week. Lewis has not got a chin anywhere near Ibeabuchi. We can assume that Ibeabuchi can hurt Lewis and possibly stop him whereas Lewis will likely not stop Ibeabuchi. It took Lewis 8 rounds of one-sided action to stop Tyson. He won't get that against Ibeabuchi and he'll be forced to take punches too.

Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd. Ibeabuchi is a very hard puncher.

Lewis was KO's early in his career and late in his career.

He would have all the trouble in the world against Ibeabuchi and would get stopped late.

Ibeabuchi KO9.
Hohoho, you're a dreamer. Name one fighter Ibeabuchi ever beat, who was ANYWHERE near as good as Lewis.

You can't, because he never did. Byrd is feather fisted and was not as experienced then as now. Sure he stopped Byrd, what do you think Lewis would have done to Byrd, personally, I think he would have absolutely taken him to pieces, without even trying for the knockout his power and boxing skills would have mangled him.

Sure Briggs had Lewis in a spot of bother, but what happened after that? Ruddock was every bit as ferocious as Ibeabuchi, and he got bumfucked, as did Golota. These were all big strong guys, and Lewis tore through them. Lewis always said he loved fighting the big guys, the reason was, he was always faster than them, and hit harder.
Byrd was featherfisted, but Tua wasn't.

Lewis loved fighing big guys like Vitali and Bruno didn't he. Guy's like Grant and Golota don't prove anything. Overhyped. What do you think Ibeabuchi would have done with Grant and Golota???

Bruno was still inexperienced when he fought Bruno, and was pretty raw, sure he had some problems with him, but Bruno had a very good jab. In the end though, Lewis got warmed up and knocked the shit out of him.

Ibeabuchi wasn't even fighting when Lewis fought Bruno you peckerwood, so how is that relevant?

Which Lewis are we talking about Ibeabuchi beating exactly?
Tua wasn't featherfisted, but he even in his prime he wasn't exactly an astute boxer, Lewis was neither feather fisted nor a poor boxer. He hit hard, fast and often in his prime. His first loss came as a consequence of a bit of astute tactics from Manny Steward and Lewis' technical deficiencies. Sure, Ibeabuchi would have had a shot, but on the balance of probability I think Lewis would have been the one doing the figuring out, seeing as Ibeabuchi was involved in a life or death struggle with Tua, it's safe to say he wasn't a tactical genius.

As for the fight with Vitali, Lewis was old, inactive, and had been training to fight a guy who was lighter hitting, 5 inches shorter and a fat pudendum. Vitali by contrast by his own admission was "studying Lewis" his whole career for the moment he might face him.

Lewis had some problems in the 1st two rounds, after that he hit his stride, and having watched the fight several times in recent months, without the commentary or the heat of the moment to distract me, I can safely say I think Lewis was in the ascendancy when the fight was stopped. In any case, Vitali was stopped legitamtely.

Vitali's huge size is going to be a problem for anyone, correct me if I am wrong, but Ibeabuchi is was not 6'8", and in fact was smaller than Lewis, so like most of your arguments about Lewis, this horseshit is just based on the fact you are unable to be objective about Lewis' accomplishments and merits as a fighter.

The fact you have to drag up the name of a 300 lb lunatic who is in prison as a stick to beat Lewis' reputation is just proof of what a sad fringe pillock you are.

There may be people who agree with you, but you won't find them on here.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:55

lirva33 wrote:
knockout wrote:ok, lets assume Michael Grant was a nutter and went to prison in late June 1999...

he has just beaten up Lou Saverese, stopped Sullivan, Izon, Gonzalez.
He was 30-0 (21 kos)

to this day people would have been saying that Grant was too good for Lewis.

Lewis was lucky Grant went to prison
No... there is a big difference between what Ibeabuchi and Grant had achieved there. Plus, looking at Grant, it was obvious he had some flaws and there were some question marks. However, there are not many question marks over Ike. Power, Chin, Heart, Stamina, Boxing ability etc. He proved his worth.

yes Ike competition was higher at that stage, but not much.... Byrd got battered by Wlad and Vitali....... Tua was outboxed too afterwards.......

You are wrong that Grant had showed flaws to that point.. as of June 1999, grant looked like the real package...... Power, heart, chin, stamina and boxing ability

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Apr 2005, 09:57

knockout wrote:ok, lets assume Michael Grant was a nutter and went to prison in late June 1999...

he has just beaten up Lou Saverese, stopped Sullivan, Izon, Gonzalez.
He was 30-0 (21 kos)

to this day people would have been saying that Grant was too good for Lewis.

Lewis was lucky Grant went to prison

#
Oh yes, the message boards I frequented at the time were replete with Americans going on about how Grant was going to massacre Lewis, and how he was the future of the division. What is clear to me is that the experience in the ring with Lewis ruined Grant, and that he was thrown in over his head.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Apr 2005, 10:01

Why bother talking about him, he's a fornicating mental rapist and he'll never get out of the assylum. NEXT.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 06 Apr 2005, 10:54

The points about Michael Grant are valid. We never found the truth on Ike. If Grant had been banged up after he smashed Golota we'd have the EXACT same threads by the yanks.

Like it or not in 2000 the yanks were treating Grant as the Heir Apparent and many thought he would knock out Lewis around 10, that cannot be denied.

I can just see it now..... "Grant knocked out Golota, whos now out there beating up Byrd & Ruiz, two guys Lewis ducked!!! Lewis is lucky Grant went to prison!!!" *sound of masturbation*[/i]

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 06 Apr 2005, 11:00

lirva33 wrote: Ibeabuchi punches harder than Wlad as he KO'd Byrd out cold while Wlad landed several times and couldn't KO Bryd.

That doesn't stand up to scrutiny; Ibeabuchi went straight after Byrd from the opening bell hoping if he threw enough haymakers one would land and sadly for Byrd it did, Klitschko on the other hand box behind his jab, avoiding giving Byrd countering opportunities and while he did drop him it wasn't from winding up any huge punch and whacking him as hard as he could like Ibeabuchi did and he didn't really try and finish Byrd off.

I don't know how it would have turned out, Ibeabuchi is tough but he's not half the boxer that Lewis is, not judging by the few fights of his I've seen.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 06 Apr 2005, 11:23

Lirva - "Lewis was KTFO by Rahman and McCall. "Oh, he was on his feet, it's ok"... He would have been fornicating killed if they fights went on. If the ref wasn't there he would have fallen on his face after McCall clocked him. He was BLASTED out. "

Crap. If anything the McCall fight was stopped too soon, and as champ Lewis should have been allowed to fight on.