Bubis Heavyweight Ranking March 2005

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:12

Bring on the big fights, please!

1.(1.) Vitali Klitschko WBC
2.(2.) Chris Byrd IBF
3.(-) John Ruiz (Some people convinced me to rank the Wrestler,he will win vs. Toney) WBA
4.(3.) Nicolai Valuev WBA Intl
5.(4.) Luan Krasniqi EBU
6.(5.) Hasim Rahman
7.(-) Lamont Brewster WBO
8.(6.) Sinan Samil Sam WBC Intl
9.(8.) Andrzej Golota
10.(-) Wladimir Virchis IBF/WBO Intl (Best fight in March)

Don´t hesitate to comment.

pasty_spud · Post by **pasty_spud** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:25

no audley harrison........i'm shocked

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:28

I agree that Virchis v Bidenko was a good heavyweight fight. He not good enought to be in top 10. Also Luan Krasniqi I dont rate he only drew with Timo Hoffman who is an average heavyweight with limited skills.
Sinan Samil Sam also not worth a place in top 10.

Samuel Peter has great potential deserves a place more than those 3 above. Also James Toney surely should be in there.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:30

Top 3 cannot argue with really...
I would still have Wlad top 10...... Rahman top 5 with Golota probably

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:35

leforge wrote:I agree that Virchis v Bidenko was a good heavyweight fight. He not good enought to be in top 10. Also Luan Krasniqi I dont rate he only drew with Timo Hoffman who is an average heavyweight with limited skills.
Sinan Samil Sam also not worth a place in top 10.

Samuel Peter has great potential deserves a place more than those 3 above. Also James Toney surely should be in there.

Luan has outboxed Sam. Toney must prove if he is a real good Heavy. A win vs the Wrestler will put him in a top ten. Peter didn´t beat a real good guy like Bidenko or Chagaev who are top 20 or 25 IMO. Diaz isn´t that good.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:39

knockout wrote:Top 3 cannot argue with really...
I would still have Wlad top 10...... Rahman top 5 with Golota probably

Golota is only a top 5 guy if he finally wins a title. If he would win vs Brewster he could make it to the top 5.

Wladi Klitschko needs an impressive win in his next fight to come back in the top ten. the last 2 years he wasn´t that impressive......

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:40

You can't argue with Valuev and Klitchko jnr in terms of potential at least. I suppose you have to have Brewster in there as well. I feel quite sorry for him in a way that everyone just thinks he's there for the taking. (Which will probably be quite right when he fights Galota.) One of the two will surely have to be dropped after the fight. (now I've said that it'll probably be a feck'n draw)

Have to agree with pasty tho, where's Audrey? IBU has him at #2, IBO's objective rankings has him at least #70 if not better. C'mon bubi, get a grip.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 06:58

jomothepure wrote:You can't argue with Valuev and Klitchko jnr in terms of potential at least. I suppose you have to have Brewster in there as well. I feel quite sorry for him in a way that everyone just thinks he's there for the taking. (Which will probably be quite right when he fights Galota.) One of the two will surely have to be dropped after the fight. (now I've said that it'll probably be a feck'n draw)

Have to agree with pasty tho, where's Audrey? IBU has him at #2, IBO's objective rankings has him at least #70 if not better. C'mon bubi, get a grip.

I should make a "Heavyweight Junior Ranking". THere Audley Harrison is of course #1

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 07 Apr 2005, 07:00

I have to agree with Bubi for once, Toney does not deserve a place in the top 10 by beating Booker (7 months ago) and Holyfield (18 months ago) - thats utter crap. If he beats Ruiz he'll go as high as 3 or 4 IMO.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 07 Apr 2005, 07:07

But Sam was beaten by Gomez who lost to diaz who was knocked out by Peter. He much more potential than Sam imo

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 07:23

leforge wrote:But Sam was beaten by Gomez who lost to diaz who was knocked out by Peter. He much more potential than Sam imo

Gomez only lost vs Diaz because of his 2-year-Burger-King-diet......

Sam will be the man who will fight Vitali next. Peter is of course close to the top ten.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 07 Apr 2005, 07:45

Official Trans-Galactical heavyweight Youth/potential rankings: (must be either 30 or under or audrey)

#1 Klitchko Jnr (still the best this side of 30 imo, we'll see after next fight)
#2 Fireman Samil (around or there about)
#3 Samual 'two-portions' Peter (has a load of potential imo but needs to keep the momentum up - his next fight is panties)
#4 Not rated
#5 Not rated
#6 Brock (on the understanding he moves out once he gets a whipping from Mcline)
#7 Vacant
#8 Vacant
#9 The winner of Koc/Sprott (purely for the purposes of amazing purile pun jokes potential)
#10 Audrey (just because he's audrey.)

Not really a lot of -30 talent. I'm maybe missing Americans out left right & centre but shit happens.

Please await next month's highly anticipated #10 padded records ratings

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 07 Apr 2005, 07:46

I don't think it's fair to say that Valuev deserves to be there based on what you think he can do and then disregard Toney based on the fact that you haven't seen enough of him at the weight.

In all of these things we aren't going to see the top 25 box off to find the best rankings, so some has to go on supposition - Sam Peter for instance has looked v impressive, arguably more so than Valuev. Granted the opposition wasn't much (in either case - Levin's a major talent waste IMO) but Peter looked to me to have more ideas than Valuev, although they're neither of them Ray Robinson.

Not picking on any particular call here, just a discrepancy in that these lists are inherently based on theory and there are evidently inclusions on potential, so to discount based on lack of proof doesn't make sense. It's like the argument that Hatton detractors and Hatton fans get into all the time.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 08:00

jomothepure wrote:Official Trans-Galactical heavyweight Youth/potential rankings: (must be either 30 or under or audrey)

#1 Klitchko Jnr (still the best this side of 30 imo, we'll see after next fight)
#2 Fireman Samil (around or there about)
#3 Samual 'two-portions' Peter (has a load of potential imo but needs to keep the momentum up - his next fight is panties)
#4 Not rated
#5 Not rated
#6 Brock (on the understanding he moves out once he gets a whipping from Mcline)
#7 Vacant
#8 Vacant
#9 The winner of Koc/Sprott (purely for the purposes of amazing purile pun jokes potential)
#10 Audrey (just because he's audrey.)

Not really a lot of -30 talent. I'm maybe missing Americans out left right & centre but shit happens.

Please await next month's highly anticipated #10 padded records ratings

You forgot Skelton

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 07 Apr 2005, 08:11

I thought Schmeling might have got a sentimental vote. 8)

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 09:17

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I thought Schmeling might have got a sentimental vote. 8)

sorry, but I can´t laugh about that.

barry · Post by **barry** » 07 Apr 2005, 11:38

1, 2 & 3 look alright, the rest...well, I won't say! Wladimir Virchis, who the hell has he beat, or for that matter, who the hell has any of these guys beat: Luan Krasniqi, Nicolai Valuev, Sinan Samil Sam, Wladimir Virchis? And no they don't gain any merit by beating one another as in the cas with Krasniqi and Sam. Sam Peter and Toney had beaten better heavyweights than any of those guys, very much including the very old and over the hill Holyfield! Valuev is the only fighter that has faced a decent name! Seems to me Gomez lost because he lost, that how boxing goes!

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 12:04

Luan Krasniqi, WBO World Champion Heavyweight 2005

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 07 Apr 2005, 12:17

I think Krasniqi lost to Hoffman who should lost to "Big" Bob Mirovic be it not for poor judging....That says it all really

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 07 Apr 2005, 12:24

dve3333 wrote:I think Krasniqi lost to Hoffman who should lost to "Big" Bob Mirovic be it not for poor judging....That says it all really

Everybody who watched the Hoffmann-fight and is not blind could see that Luan was at least 3 rounds ahead.......

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 07 Apr 2005, 12:31

BubiScholz wrote:
dve3333 wrote:I think Krasniqi lost to Hoffman who should lost to "Big" Bob Mirovic be it not for poor judging....That says it all really
Everybody who watched the Hoffmann-fight and is not blind could see that Luan was at least 3 rounds ahead.......

This comes from the guy who has him in his signature!

I thought that Hoffman won albeit it was a close fight

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 07 Apr 2005, 13:57

BubiScholz wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I thought Schmeling might have got a sentimental vote. 8)
sorry, but I can´t laugh about that.

No offence intended, Bubi.

A German who can't laugh though? Whatever next?

d1mak · Post by **d1mak** » 07 Apr 2005, 14:53

1.V.Klitschko
2-3.C. Byrd - J. Ruiz
4-6.A.Golota - M.Barrett - H.Rahman
7-10.J.McCline - S.Peters - N.Valuev - L.Brewster

Toney in HW did even less than Danny Williams. If he beat Ruiz(and thats a very big "if"), he'll be number 2 in HW but for now he is number 1 in the big mouth rating.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 07 Apr 2005, 15:01

d1mak wrote:1.V.Klitschko
2-3.C. Byrd - J. Ruiz
4-6.A.Golota - M.Barrett - H.Rahman
7-10.J.McCline - S.Peters - N.Valuev - L.Brewster

Toney in HW did even less than Danny Williams. If he beat Ruiz(and thats a very big "if"), he'll be number 2 in HW but for now he is number 1 in the big mouth rating.

True. But he is UNDISPUTED no 1 in the latter category!

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 08 Apr 2005, 04:36

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I thought Schmeling might have got a sentimental vote. 8)
sorry, but I can´t laugh about that.
No offence intended, Bubi.

A German who can't laugh though? Whatever next?

At the moment we have such a bad mood that we all cry together.....