WORST DECISIONS AT THE 2010 JO'S

[EL SANTO]

let me tell our officials1 thing , can u look at roy jones gold medal fight and tell who won ,know don't bullshit yourself, we know who won ,so tell me what angle your kidding yourself with, at the JO's these DEC's posted were wrong, and u know that,so don't use the excuse that the videos show angles that u can't C on the judging chares,its all Politics bullshit, USA is one of the richest country in the world , and yet we can't win Gold in boxing, u want the anwer 2 that ?, ill tell u,WE NEVER SEND OUR BEST, becuase it all starts ,at the JO LEVEL, BULL SHIT DEC.like the 1s posted on this sight. how can a fighter score points when his hands are always behind the other fighters back,and holding,who are u kidding,the ref,is in the way come on people stop kidding yourselfs,when u c a fighter kicking the crap out of the other fighter ,the 1 getting his ass kicked is losing the fight, at the JO'S there were assighnments on the chairs that were already favoring certain kids 2 win,its not the kids falt 2 who the DEC go's 2,they are just trying 2 win, we put that in the judges hands , but it seems that some officials are setting the wrong example 4 them by teaching them that cheating is OK, its just a cop out in life 4 the kids, I judged in many tournaments and didn't know half of the officials and they were giving me hand signals ,eye contacts,2 favor certain fighters when i was working on the chair, don't use the excuse that 3 officials have 2 click with in a second, if u can't tell scoring blow u shouldn't b a JUDGE,I can Pick a TEAM and take them 2 london in 2012 2 compete in boxing and i gaurantee we will get in the medal rounds, our last OLYMPICS 4 our country was an ambarassment, AIBA desighned the computer scoring system 4 other countrys 2 win, its not a science its easy 2 win in olympic boxing u just have 2 adopt 2 there styles,we are 2 much on the pro style and not the olympic style , ITS CALLED JUMP IN THE PUDDLE AND DON"T GET WET , figure it out its not a science ,PEACE OUT

[caballitor27]

it make sences what you said , i guess we have to see ,what kind of B.S they come out with .......

let me tell our officials1 thing , can u look at roy jones gold medal fight and tell who won ,know don't bullshit yourself, we know who won ,so tell me what angle your kidding yourself with, at the JO's these DEC's posted were wrong, and u know that,so don't use the excuse that the videos show angles that u can't C on the judging chares,its all Politics bullshit, USA is one of the richest country in the world , and yet we can't win Gold in boxing, u want the anwer 2 that ?, ill tell u,WE NEVER SEND OUR BEST, becuase it all starts ,at the JO LEVEL, BULL SHIT DEC.like the 1s posted on this sight. how can a fighter score points when his hands are always behind the other fighters back,and holding,who are u kidding,the ref,is in the way come on people stop kidding yourselfs,when u c a fighter kicking the crap out of the other fighter ,the 1 getting his ass kicked is losing the fight, at the JO'S there were assighnments on the chairs that were already favoring certain kids 2 win,its not the kids falt 2 who the DEC go's 2,they are just trying 2 win, we put that in the judges hands , but it seems that some officials are setting the wrong example 4 them by teaching them that cheating is OK, its just a cop out in life 4 the kids, I judged in many tournaments and didn't know half of the officials and they were giving me hand signals ,eye contacts,2 favor certain fighters when i was working on the chair, don't use the excuse that 3 officials have 2 click with in a second, if u can't tell scoring blow u shouldn't b a JUDGE,I can Pick a TEAM and take them 2 london in 2012 2 compete in boxing and i gaurantee we will get in the medal rounds, our last OLYMPICS 4 our country was an ambarassment, AIBA desighned the computer scoring system 4 other countrys 2 win, its not a science its easy 2 win in olympic boxing u just have 2 adopt 2 there styles,we are 2 much on the pro style and not the olympic style , ITS CALLED JUMP IN THE PUDDLE AND DON"T GET WET , figure it out its not a science ,PEACE OUT

[boxmel]

Sigh. I should probably ignore the below ranting - however....

can u look at roy jones gold medal fight and tell who won ,know don't bullshit yourself, we know who won ,so tell me what angle your kidding yourself with,

This is a given. It is also old history and was the cause of the implementation of the computer scoring.

at the JO's these DEC's posted were wrong, and u know that,so don't use the excuse that the videos show angles that u can't C on the judging chares,

No, i don't5 know that they were wrong. And video cameras often "see" differently than a judge sitting at ringside.

its all Politics bullshit, USA is one of the richest country in the world , and yet we can't win Gold in boxing,

May I ask what riches have to do with gold medals in boxing?

u want the anwer 2 that ?, ill tell u,WE NEVER SEND OUR BEST, becuase it all starts ,at the JO LEVEL

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If I wanted to spend the time, which I don't, I could post a list of JO champions who didn't make it to the elite level as open boxers and others who didn't win championships but did well in the open division. So I'm not sure what your argument is.

there were assighnments on the chairs that were already favoring certain kids 2 win,its not the kids falt 2 who the DEC go's 2,they are just trying 2 win, we put that in the judges hands

Since you are obviously privy to information that the rest of us don't have - how about giving up the names of the judges who were "favoring" certain boxers, the boxers they were "favoring" and the proof that this was actually happening. And if you don't feel that the "judges hands" are the right ones, who do you recommend determine the outcome of the bouts?

I judged in many tournaments and didn't know half of the officials and they were giving me hand signals ,eye contacts,2 favor certain fighters when i was working on the chair,

Now you are being obtuse. In the 23 years I have judged I have NEVER seen what you are stating. How many and what national tournaments have you judged and when? And if you are so concerned about the officiating, why didn't you judge at the JOs?

don't use the excuse that 3 officials have 2 click with in a second,

Obviously you've never judged at a national tournament where computer judging was used. 3 out of the 5 judges must hit the button for the same boxer within a one-second window in order for the computer to pop up an accepted scoring blow. This is not an excuse. This is the way the program is configured.

I can Pick a TEAM and take them 2 london in 2012 2 compete in boxing and i gaurantee we will get in the medal rounds,

I sincerely hope you have offered your expertise and knowledge to USA Boxing. Of course, unless the way the selection process is changed, you won't be able to pick a team.

AIBA desighned the computer scoring system 4 other countrys 2 win,

Please explain this statement. Why is the computer system biased against US boxers?

its easy 2 win in olympic boxing u just have 2 adopt 2 there styles,we are 2 much on the pro style and not the olympic style , ITS CALLED JUMP IN THE PUDDLE AND DON"T GET WET , figure it out its not a science ,PEACE OUT

Now you're saying it's not the judges fault but the fact that our boxers don't have the style that wins at the Olympics? Hmmmmm,

[coachingGOLD]

I dont what all this talk is about....Trainers just train you fighter well and go get it.......We dont play that we are putting our work in and My fighter is Getting Gold in LONDON. Thats that.

[coachingGOLD]

[bwadd21]

Maybe the heat got to me at the JO's, but i didn't see one decision that i thought was just a TOTAL Robbery. There were in fact several close fights that could have gone either way, including a fight one of my kids was in. Several people came up to him and told him he was robbed, but i told him not to listen to that, just continue to work hard! I really do not believe the judges are out to get any of the kids and keep them from going places in this sport.

[boxmel]

Several people came up to him and told him he was robbed, but i told him not to listen to that, just continue to work hard!

I SO wish more coaches were like you. 8) You are a rarity.

I really do not believe the judges are out to get any of the kids and keep them from going places in this sport.

Thanks. I think you're in the minority here, unfortunately. Who was your boxer???

[Boxing411]

How does one qualify for Most Outstanding Boxer of the tournmt? Of course I know the answer, but hopefully Mel, you will be so kind and enlighten me.
I am an AIBA official, and I was fortunate to attend and be involved in the judging at the most recent JO's, however I want to CONFIRM there were bad decisions. I suggested to view the fights on youtube not for scoring purposes, but to watch and see how some judges at the table weren't even paying attention!!! These kids work hard training everyday, give up their childhoods and to leave something so important up to a judge who isn't even looking at the fight is beyond my comprehension (see Naclerio vs Rodriguez, last round, male judge) yes, I agree wherein some fights are "thisclose" and could go either way but lets just be fair & honest here and admit to human error. I just want to clarify for those who suggested I was sour perhaps because I was a trainer, boxer, or maybe had a son or daughter boxing in said tournament...well that is furthest from the truth. I am an official, and I have been VOLUNTEERING as all others for 15 years. I had no family members, friends, acquaintances or anyone of that nature who participated in this tournament.

[boxmel]

How does one qualify for Most Outstanding Boxer of the tournmt? Of course I know the answer, but hopefully Mel, you will be so kind and enlighten me.

If you know the answer then you can post it. Don't know why you would ask me, since you were part of the process.

I am an AIBA official, and I was fortunate to attend and be involved in the judging at the most recent JO's,

So - is this Andy or Don?

however I want to CONFIRM there were bad decisions.

How did you, as ring captain, determine there were bad decisions and, if so, did you counsel those judges whom you feel were giving bad decisions?

I suggested to view the fights on youtube not for scoring purposes, but to watch and see how some judges at the table weren't even paying attention!!!

Unless they were totally turned around, or looking up at the ceiling, there is no way you can tell on a YouTube video whether or not they were looking at the boxers.

[bwadd21]

Thanks. I think you're in the minority here, unfortunately. Who was your boxer???[/quote]


Thanks for your kind words, my boxer i was reffering to was Princeton Jones 201+ lost 1st round to Damien Rico.

[boxmel]

my boxer i was reffering to was Princeton Jones 201+ lost 1st round to Damien Rico.

I watched that bout - Damien was behind for the first two rounds and pulled it out by, I think, one point in the third. IIRC, neither one threw a ton of punches....

[EL SANTO]

MAN WHY DON'T U JUST ADMIT THAT SOME OF U OFFICIALS AREN'T PERFECT, YES SOME FIGHTS ARE CLOSE,AND THE DEC. GOES THE RIGHT WAY , BUT WHO ARE U KIDDING WHEN A FIGHTER IS KICKING THE CRAP OUT OF THE OTHER FIGHTER ,AND LOSES, MAN U CALL YOURSELF A JUDGE, WHEN ROY GOT ROBBED, DID U SAY THE SAME THING 2 YOURSELF, THAT THE JUDGES DIDN'T C CERTAIN ANGLES, BULLSHIT U KNOW DAM RIGHT THAT ROYS DREAM AND HARD WORK ALL THRU HIS AMATUER CAREER WAS TAKEN FROM HIM,AT THE SPLIT SECOND WINDOW THAT U KEEP TALKING ABOUT BULLSHIT, I WORKED THE NATIONAL PAL IN 06 AND I SEEN THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN CERTAIN FIGHTS ,I WITNESSED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DISCUSSIONS 2 ADVANCE CERTAIN FIGHTERS ,AND I CLEARED SAID I WAS NOT GONNA B A PART OF IT ,SO DON;T TALK THE CRAP 2 ME I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE GAME 4 LONG TIME, I HAVE WITNESSED FIGHTERS HITTING THE OTHER FIGHTER,AND THE PIONTS WERE SCORED 2 THE OTHER FIGHTER, TELL ME ARE THE OFFICIALS COLOR BLIND,OR IS IT THE SPLIT SECOND WINDOW,MESSING UP ON ITS OWN, TELL ME THAT THE SILVER GLOVES IS NOT A PICKED TOURNAMENT 4 CERTAIN FIGHTERS 2 WIN ,U CAN'T USE THE SPLIT WINDOW EXCUSE IN THIS TOURNAMENT, U HAVE 5 OFFICIALS JUDGE A CLOSE FIGHT AND THE DEC. GOES 2 THE CORNER THAT I CLEARLY C WIN A DAM GOOD FIGHT BY A HAIR,AND THE FIGHT GOES 2 THE RIGHT FIGHTER , AND IN THE NEXT BOUT A BOY FROM DC. FIGHTS A BOY FROM REG.8,AND OUT POINT HIM AT LEAST 10-TO 1 EVERY ROUND A ASS WIPPING WORSER THAN THE 1 ROY DID 2 HIS OPPONENT IN THE OLYMPICS ,BUT THE SAME JUDGES THAT JUST SCORED A CLOSE FIGHT THE RIGHT WAY,GAVE THE FIGHT 2 REGION 8 WHO GOT HIS ASS BOUNCED ALL OVER THE RING,TELL ME THAT 1,2 MUCH BULLSHIT POLITICS ,AND IF OUR COUNTRY DOES PUT A END 2 THIS BULLSHIT WE WILLL NEVER GET IN THE MEDAL RDS. TEDDY ATLAS EXPOSED THE LAST OLYMPICS ,BY THE WORLD WITNESSED HOW FIGHTERS WERE HITTING THE SHIT OUT OF FIGHTERS BUT YET WEREN'T GETTING CREDIT 4 THERE PUNCHES,I GUESS IS WAS THE SPIT SECOND WINDOW, BULLSHIT IS CALLED GROWN UPS CHEATING, IT IS THE WORLDS BIGGEST PROBLEM,AND YET NOBODY WANTS 2 ADMIT IT, TELL THAT 2 ROY WKEN YRS LATER THE KOREANS GAVE HIM HIS GOLD MEDAL,BUT DID NOT ADMIT THAT THEY CHEATED HIM OF HIS BIGGEST DREAM AND MOMENT 4 THAT SPLIT SECOND 2 B CROWND GOLD MEDAL WORLD CHAMPION,AND THE AMERICANS SHOUTING USA USA, THEY JUST DID NOT CHEAT ROY THEY CHEATED ALL THOSE AMERICANS THA WERE THERE 2 WITNESS THE BIGGEST ROBBERY IN OLYMPIC HISTORY, THE 1'S THAT SUFFER ARE THE KIDS THAT DESERVE THE CHANCE 2 REPRESENT OUR COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS BIGGEST GAMES THE OLYMPICS ,WE NEED 2 SEND OUR BEST FIGHTERS AND NOT THE OUR POLITICAL SELECTED FIGHTERS, 2 B THE BEST U MUST SEND THE BEST, TAKE THAT 2 THE USA BOXING OLYMPIC COMMITEE, PEACE OUT

[bwadd21]

I watched that bout - Damien was behind for the first two rounds and pulled it out by, I think, one point in the third. IIRC, neither one threw a ton of punches.... [/quote]

Yeah i agree, i think the heat really took a toll on the BIG BOYS. But Princeton was probably the least experienced kid in the whole tournament. he only had 5 bouts before the jo's, he just doesn't have any opponents his size down here in the south. I think he has a great future ahead of him.

[boxmel]

Yeah i agree, i think the heat really took a toll on the BIG BOYS.

And everyone else! I was very glad to get back to So Cal.

But Princeton was probably the least experienced kid in the whole tournament. he only had 5 bouts before the jo's,

I think Damien has the same.

he just doesn't have any opponents his size down here in the south. I think he has a great future ahead of him.

Either do our kids, in spite of the fact we're the biggest LBC in the U.S. I do wish Princeton the best of luck.

[TimmySoCal]

MAN WHY DON'T U JUST ADMIT THAT SOME OF U OFFICIALS AREN'T PERFECT, YES SOME FIGHTS ARE CLOSE,AND THE DEC. GOES THE RIGHT WAY , BUT WHO ARE U KIDDING WHEN A FIGHTER IS KICKING THE CRAP OUT OF THE OTHER FIGHTER ,AND LOSES, MAN U CALL YOURSELF A JUDGE, WHEN ROY GOT ROBBED, DID U SAY THE SAME THING 2 YOURSELF, THAT THE JUDGES DIDN'T C CERTAIN ANGLES, BULLSHIT U KNOW DAM RIGHT THAT ROYS DREAM AND HARD WORK ALL THRU HIS AMATUER CAREER WAS TAKEN FROM HIM,AT THE SPLIT SECOND WINDOW THAT U KEEP TALKING ABOUT BULLSHIT, I WORKED THE NATIONAL PAL IN 06 AND I SEEN THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN CERTAIN FIGHTS ,I WITNESSED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DISCUSSIONS 2 ADVANCE CERTAIN FIGHTERS ,AND I CLEARED SAID I WAS NOT GONNA B A PART OF IT ,SO DON;T TALK THE CRAP 2 ME I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE GAME 4 LONG TIME, I HAVE WITNESSED FIGHTERS HITTING THE OTHER FIGHTER,AND THE PIONTS WERE SCORED 2 THE OTHER FIGHTER, TELL ME ARE THE OFFICIALS COLOR BLIND,OR IS IT THE SPLIT SECOND WINDOW,MESSING UP ON ITS OWN, TELL ME THAT THE SILVER GLOVES IS NOT A PICKED TOURNAMENT 4 CERTAIN FIGHTERS 2 WIN ,U CAN'T USE THE SPLIT WINDOW EXCUSE IN THIS TOURNAMENT, U HAVE 5 OFFICIALS JUDGE A CLOSE FIGHT AND THE DEC. GOES 2 THE CORNER THAT I CLEARLY C WIN A DAM GOOD FIGHT BY A HAIR,AND THE FIGHT GOES 2 THE RIGHT FIGHTER , AND IN THE NEXT BOUT A BOY FROM DC. FIGHTS A BOY FROM REG.8,AND OUT POINT HIM AT LEAST 10-TO 1 EVERY ROUND A ASS WIPPING WORSER THAN THE 1 ROY DID 2 HIS OPPONENT IN THE OLYMPICS ,BUT THE SAME JUDGES THAT JUST SCORED A CLOSE FIGHT THE RIGHT WAY,GAVE THE FIGHT 2 REGION 8 WHO GOT HIS ASS BOUNCED ALL OVER THE RING,TELL ME THAT 1,2 MUCH BULLSHIT POLITICS ,AND IF OUR COUNTRY DOES PUT A END 2 THIS BULLSHIT WE WILLL NEVER GET IN THE MEDAL RDS. TEDDY ATLAS EXPOSED THE LAST OLYMPICS ,BY THE WORLD WITNESSED HOW FIGHTERS WERE HITTING THE SHIT OUT OF FIGHTERS BUT YET WEREN'T GETTING CREDIT 4 THERE PUNCHES,I GUESS IS WAS THE SPIT SECOND WINDOW, BULLSHIT IS CALLED GROWN UPS CHEATING, IT IS THE WORLDS BIGGEST PROBLEM,AND YET NOBODY WANTS 2 ADMIT IT, TELL THAT 2 ROY WKEN YRS LATER THE KOREANS GAVE HIM HIS GOLD MEDAL,BUT DID NOT ADMIT THAT THEY CHEATED HIM OF HIS BIGGEST DREAM AND MOMENT 4 THAT SPLIT SECOND 2 B CROWND GOLD MEDAL WORLD CHAMPION,AND THE AMERICANS SHOUTING USA USA, THEY JUST DID NOT CHEAT ROY THEY CHEATED ALL THOSE AMERICANS THA WERE THERE 2 WITNESS THE BIGGEST ROBBERY IN OLYMPIC HISTORY, THE 1'S THAT SUFFER ARE THE KIDS THAT DESERVE THE CHANCE 2 REPRESENT OUR COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS BIGGEST GAMES THE OLYMPICS ,WE NEED 2 SEND OUR BEST FIGHTERS AND NOT THE OUR POLITICAL SELECTED FIGHTERS, 2 B THE BEST U MUST SEND THE BEST, TAKE THAT 2 THE USA BOXING OLYMPIC COMMITEE, PEACE OUT

u say peace out alot and come back.. why getting so e-raged?