Congratulations Nathan Cleverley

[stujones]

Has got his BA in Mathematics at Cardiff.... he got a 2:2.

Must have been a titanic struggle to combine a professional sport with the degree - particularly one as tough as boxing.

Hope he can now focus on his boxing career now..... he can always fall back on his maths qualification.

[jBacca]

Well done to the kid!

Onwards and upwards now!

[Bomber 1]

Congratulations....

[bennie]

No offence to Nathan because he is a good 'un, but a 2:2 degree is bog standard. I can imagine Nathan merely went through the motions to get that.

[mickey1975]

No offence to Nathan because he is a good 'un, but a 2:2 degree is bog standard. I can imagine Nathan merely went through the motions to get that.

Not many of his fellow students will have been boxing at European and British title level throughout their studies.Nathan was training,dieting etc while all the others were either revising or living the "student life".Its a proper degree and hard enough to even get on the course,he deserves a lot of credit.

[This Charming Man]

He deserves a lot of credit for combining championship level boxing with his studies, that's hard going. Unfortunately for him, his degree isn't going to help him when he's in the ring with Tony Bellew.

[stujones]

No offence to Nathan because he is a good 'un, but a 2:2 degree is bog standard. I can imagine Nathan merely went through the motions to get that.

Not many of his fellow students will have been boxing at European and British title level throughout their studies.Nathan was training,dieting etc while all the others were either revising or living the "student life".Its a proper degree and hard enough to even get on the course,he deserves a lot of credit.

x 2 Mickey, although Bennie does have a point a 2:2 degree in this climate is not going to do as much as a company hiring a British champion.

Did Clev take a year out, cause it says in the press release it was over 4 years of study.

[tonyevs]

No offence to Nathan because he is a good 'un, but a 2:2 degree is bog standard. I can imagine Nathan merely went through the motions to get that.

I doubt very many of us on here could achieve that though

Which did he take the more serious? the boxing or degree study? now just imagine what he can add to either with his full commitment without the distracions of the other.

As said. It is a `proper` degree also.

[Pat Butcher]

A 2:2 in Maths is a lot harder to achieve than a higher grade in many other subjects.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

2.2 in maths from Cardiff - I would swap it for my degree any day of the week!

There are still a lot of opportunities to get ahead with a maths or science degree, especially in teaching. It's
difficult to even get on a damn PGCE course with anything other than a high 2.1 if your degree is in English lit/language.

The Tesco managment scheme won't even look at you unless you have a first!

[forcefraser]

2.2 in maths from Cardiff - I would swap it for my degree any day of the week!

There are still a lot of opportunities to get ahead with a maths or science degree, especially in teaching. It's
difficult to even get on a damn PGCE course with anything other than a high 2.1 if your degree is in English lit/language.

The Tesco managment scheme won't even look at you unless you have a first!

It just shows why some companies are upto their ears with tits. Imagine basing your selection criteria purely on the grade of degree a candidate has achieved. I have a 2.1 in Politics and an MBA, both of which if I`m honest was just regurgitation of information I was supposed to memorise. Not exactly rocket science. If you have a good memory, most exams are a piece of piss and is no reflection on the actual intelligence of a person and even less so, their suitablility for a job position.

I work as a ship broker and I can tell you that when we hire a new guy, we don`t give a toss about what his education is to be honest. We are intersted in how he interacts with people, his ability to think independently and willingness to take responsibility.

You could have five 1st Degrees in various types of rocket science, but it aint gonna help you negotiate a deal with a group of tight fisted Greeks or Chinese. The vast majority of jobs boil down to the ability to deal with people effectively and if you master this, you will get on very well in most careers, regardless of your education.

I`m not saying education is not important, as society has made it important, but it is certainly no real yardtick of intelligence, especially social intelligence.

[Deno1986]

2.2 in maths from Cardiff - I would swap it for my degree any day of the week!

There are still a lot of opportunities to get ahead with a maths or science degree, especially in teaching. It's
difficult to even get on a damn PGCE course with anything other than a high 2.1 if your degree is in English lit/language.

The Tesco managment scheme won't even look at you unless you have a first!

It just shows why some companies are upto their ears with tits. Imagine basing your selection criteria purely on the grade of degree a candidate has achieved. I have a 2.1 in Politics and an MBA, both of which if I`m honest was just regurgitation of information I was supposed to memorise. Not exactly rocket science. If you have a good memory, most exams are a piece of piss and is no reflection on the actual intelligence of a person and even less so, their suitablility for a job position.

I work as a ship broker and I can tell you that when we hire a new guy, we don`t give a toss about what his education is to be honest. We are intersted in how he interacts with people, his ability to think independently and willingness to take responsibility.

You could have five 1st Degrees in various types of rocket science, but it aint gonna help you negotiate a deal with a group of tight fisted Greeks or Chinese. The vast majority of jobs boil down to the ability to deal with people effectively and if you master this, you will get on very well in most careers, regardless of your education.

I`m not saying education is not important, as society has made it important, but it is certainly no real yardtick of intelligence, especially social intelligence.

Bang on the money. Most of the stuff I learned at Uni, I have had no use for in real life as of yet and I doubt I ever will need it - in fact I remember sweet f all of what I studied. The most valuable part of 5 years in Uni for me was going on a 8 month work experience period, degrees should be more focused on job related experiences instead of recycling info from books and lecturers notes. There are a lot of people out there with no degrees who could do a job better than someone with a 1.1 piece of paper.

[WelshDevil]

Well done to Nathan. Combined Boxing and study and his hardwork has paid off.

He must be a promoters worst nightmare. A boxer with a maths degree. DD

[taffytoon]

He deserves a lot of credit for combining championship level boxing with his studies, that's hard going. Unfortunately for him, his degree isn't going to help him when he's in the ring with Tony Bellew.

What a stupid thing to say There are enough bloody threads on here already about this fight happening (which will not happen in the near future) so go and comment on one of those. This was a thread about him getting his degree not ANOTHER Bellew V Cleverly thread

[stujones]

Agree, but then at the same time a degree is supposed be an indicator of an intelligence level.... communication in writing, the ability to retain information. Of course it doesn't mean that people who don't chose HE wouldn't be able to cope - that would be up to the individual. However, I know many people walking around with lower class degrees who really shouldn't have it, and shouldn't be in any job of responsibility (e.g. thick as shit).

A 2:1 will (or at least did) get you on a PGCE course - off course depending on what you got your degree in. I got offered a place doing Psychology and also PE PGCE based on my 2:1.... decided against that (with some regret). Naturally, I (although they said it wasn't out the equation) I couldn't do a PGCE in a subject like Maths as I didn't have a background in Maths... this was before I had any lecturing experience, and talking to teachers since - my lecturing experience would hold me in good stead now if I applied for a PGCE in a "proper" subject. A levels are very important when it comes to PGCE - as important as degree's. They certainly won't consider how close you were from first or a 2:2.... very hard to get hold of such information.

I don't know if things have changed since your time trying Carlos, but I know full qualified PGCE teachers with 2:2 not in "proper" subjects either. One guy I know teaches in a secondary school, and he got a 2:2 in Business.... I forgot what he is teaching, but he told me he got in cause he had an A in A level in the subject!.

Getting onto a PGCE isn't as hard as it used to be..... thats why there are so many fully qualified teachers now working as VOLUNTEERS or as teaching assistants (on minumun wage) - because there are simply more teachers than jobs. Especially in Wales where students got paid 6,000 to do a PGCE a few years ago. Another friend recently applied for a teaching job, she is a qualified primarily level teacher been working for 8 years with exceptional references.... she didn't get the job and found out there was 60 applicants!

[Deserter]

2.2 in maths from Cardiff - I would swap it for my degree any day of the week!

There are still a lot of opportunities to get ahead with a maths or science degree, especially in teaching. It's
difficult to even get on a damn PGCE course with anything other than a high 2.1 if your degree is in English lit/language.

The Tesco managment scheme won't even look at you unless you have a first!

It just shows why some companies are upto their ears with tits. Imagine basing your selection criteria purely on the grade of degree a candidate has achieved. I have a 2.1 in Politics and an MBA, both of which if I`m honest was just regurgitation of information I was supposed to memorise. Not exactly rocket science. If you have a good memory, most exams are a piece of piss and is no reflection on the actual intelligence of a person and even less so, their suitablility for a job position.

I work as a ship broker and I can tell you that when we hire a new guy, we don`t give a toss about what his education is to be honest. We are intersted in how he interacts with people, his ability to think independently and willingness to take responsibility.

You could have five 1st Degrees in various types of rocket science, but it aint gonna help you negotiate a deal with a group of tight fisted Greeks or Chinese. The vast majority of jobs boil down to the ability to deal with people effectively and if you master this, you will get on very well in most careers, regardless of your education.

I`m not saying education is not important, as society has made it important, but it is certainly no real yardtick of intelligence, especially social intelligence.

Great, great post I don't know if anyone else on here reads Malcolm Gladwell, but his latest, 'What the Dog Saw' (it's a compilation of his articles from The New Yorker) has some great stuff in relation to this.
Stu, interestingly he covers the issue of teaching in one of them and without going into too much detail studies have proven that the educational achievements/credentials of the teacher had virtually zero correlation to their ability to teach - as Forcefraser rightly says, it's about 'social intelligence'.
What scares me is that the educational system is woefully outdated and fundamentally broken in terms of preparing our youth effectively for the rest of their lives, yet it's virtually impossible to engineer the radical overhaul that is needed due to sheer scale, vested interests etc.

[stujones]

Absolutely agree Deserter - Thats why there is teachers training, it covers very little about the subject your supposed to teach... its the training of how to be a teacher - thats what I got told.

I don't have any issue with my friend being a teacher in a subject he only has an a level in... especially as that is the top level he is not teaching BEYOND A level anyway. The issue I have is the ease it is getting into Uni and also teachers training. Back when I considered doing a PGCE 2003.... it was considered very easy to walk into a teaching job - there was a national shortage of teachers..... now qualified and EXPERIENCED teachers cannot even get paid teaching assistant jobs - which is less than minimum wage cause there is too much competition - you don't even have to get a teaching qualification to get these, but it actually doesn't appear to be an advatage either.... I know 5 qualified teachers, 4 from the UK and the Mrs (Poland) and none of them can get shortlisted for interview for such posts. The Mrs has 6 years teaching experience and has been months volunteering at different Primary schools here.... still nothing. The UK qualified teachers haven't got the paid experience, but are doing voluntary work... and still nothing. I don't think any of them have done badly in this voluntary work.

I might be wrong, but I think the problem is the selection criteria for Universities and Teachers training..... I completely agree about social intelligence being a factor and I'm not trying to bring an elitist environment where only the ones with the qualifications get the prestigious jobs. However, an issue is too many people are getting degrees now, too many people are getting teaching qualifications..... and there are too much competitions for positions then.... and sometimes its hard to make an "instant" impression in a 10 minute interview. Plenty of people can "blag" an interview and then be crap in the job.... it disheartens the people who keep getting rejections... I know - I'm experiencing it now... not in teaching (obviously) but all kinds of work.

There is also a massive issue, when it comes to teachers, of "who you know" being majorly important. I would love to know if there has been a study on how many son/daughters follow their parents into the profession.... and how many of these walk into jobs!

[whiskey]

Being educated and being automatically rewarded (financially and emotionally) and are not related for the most part.

What I mean is, if your bright enough, a piece of paper doesn't award you success on a plate.

Unless your learning for a specific role in life, where the education is a requirement, you'd be better putting your skillsets to work immeadiately after college rather than waste 3 years at Uni, running yourself into huge debt (unless your wealthy family can sustain you during that period).

Several friends truly regret university from a career perspective. They enjoyed the experience, but with hindsight would have looked to have headed into the big wide world earlier.

As others have illustrated, in some professions, especially client-based ones such as sales, being sharp and streetwise is not something that CANNOT be taught, but is absolutely essential in that field.

With regards teachers, I had respect for some of the college teachers i used to have, but generally the ones at my school were total dickheads completely detached from the working world as they had spent their entire lives in education.. either being educated, or doing the educating. They were a bunch of parrots, especially the older ones.

[stujones]

Several friends truly regret university from a career perspective. They enjoyed the experience, but with hindsight would have looked to have headed into the big wide world earlier.

x 2..... I have several friends who also now do something COMPLETELY different to their degree. e.g. my mate did accountacy, got a job (in accountancy) for the council.... and now cause of his links with the council - is working in social work!!!! He has absolutely zero qualifications in this area and if it wasn't for his links wouldn't have got a look in. Must be frustrating for those with social work degrees.

Many of my friends regret University from a career perspective, but have no regrets for the experience.

[sendo]

Most good jobs you need an honours degree, it doesn't matter what type though. Maths 2:2 would let him have a decent office career if boxing doesn't work out.

[Captain Hook]

I think it's fair to say the boxing is already working out given his current position, age, title and potential.

Nice lad, very good boxer. Good luck to him...

As for the Bellew comment? Ridiculous.....At this stage, as even Bomber himself has admitted, Clev would have too much for him.

Down the line it would be a cracker....

Let's just enjoy the fact we have two talented young stars in that division. Bomber has plenty of time....

[Jeff Thomas]

I've just finished my first year of my Management degree with a commendation in four of the five modules I studied and a high pass in the other. Overall I have got a commendation for the year with my predicted target for next year been a distinction. I got this while completeing an A-Level equivilant (level 3 in Personal Training), running my own business and supporting my family. All this after been made redundant early last year having worked 7 days a week for nearly two years taking a company from the brink of bankruptsy to gaining contracts with several massive blue chip companies. Having been sacked when I was young from two admin jobs, and holding a minor criminal record for assault, I really have no confidence in finding any decent employment on my own.

Would any good employers look past these things? Or am I going to have to make it on my own for the rest of my life? Thats why i'm doing my degree.

Got tons of life experience worked the doors for years, been in the army for a while (not long enough), worked as a ops manager for an ISO company with no training, done bodyguarding, boxed all over the place as an am and pro. Fought for titles, made the top ten in boxing monthly- but it all counts for nothing when your struggling every day to put food on the table.

Doing really well at the moment, thank God but its a tough world out there and you've got to keep on bettering yourself. Credit to Cleverly- I recommend that route for all but those who aren't that academic. Too many people are wasted.

[stujones]

I think it's fair to say the boxing is already working out given his current position, age, title and potential.

Nice lad, very good boxer. Good luck to him...

As for the Bellew comment? Ridiculous.....At this stage, as even Bomber himself has admitted, Clev would have too much for him.

Down the line it would be a cracker....

Let's just enjoy the fact we have two talented young stars in that division. Bomber has plenty of time....

Sendo - 4 / 5 years ago correct... Nowadays though a 2:2 degree is pretty much worthless. Having a British and European champion in your office would be worthwhile though. A 2:2 in Maths is better than a 2:2 in another subject mind.

I have a 2:1.... find me a 20,000 a year job and I'll be there!!! I worked in a petrol station last year... I left thinking I needed to search for something a bit more substantial.... I'm giving the job search 1 more month before I ask for my old job!.

Your absolutely correct Captain Hook.... two great prospects Bellew and Cleverly.

[righthook]

I think it's fair to say the boxing is already working out given his current position, age, title and potential.

Nice lad, very good boxer. Good luck to him...

As for the Bellew comment? Ridiculous.....At this stage, as even Bomber himself has admitted, Clev would have too much for him.

Down the line it would be a cracker....

Let's just enjoy the fact we have two talented young stars in that division. Bomber has plenty of time....

what have you been smoking ???????????

bellew has never ever in his life said such rubbish so stop talking crap. bellew openly says he will destroy cleverly in quick fashion. dont know why people like you make stupid facts up. please show us all where bellew has ever said cleverly has too much for him, i for 1 dont think cleverly will last 4 rounds and i know for an absolute fact bellew believes that him self.

[Captain Hook]

Excuse me?!