How do we remember the great Mike Tyson??? Does he still have a shot at a piece of the heavy crown??? I think a well prepared Mike Tyson could beat at least John Ruiz...Let's talk about his career. He certainly was one of the most captivating and intriguing fighters of all time in which he could have done better if taken good care of himself.
Can he become Champion again???
Mike Tyson
Today Tyson has a punchers chance against any of the title holders for about 3 rounds. But basically I believe Tyson is shot and his career is all but over.
In his prime 1986-1988 Tyson was a formidable fighting force, with a good defence, fast hands and powerfull combinations. However even in his prime after about 7 rounds he seemed to run out of ideas eg Tucker and Smith.
I struggle to class Tyson a truely great fighter for a few reasons, first he never beat another great Heavyweight and he never climed of the canvas to win a fight.
But in his peak years his punching power and speed would make him dangerous for any fighter in history at least for the first 6 rounds. And would be too much for many.
In brief I would favour Ali, Holmes and Forman to beat him.
In his prime 1986-1988 Tyson was a formidable fighting force, with a good defence, fast hands and powerfull combinations. However even in his prime after about 7 rounds he seemed to run out of ideas eg Tucker and Smith.
I struggle to class Tyson a truely great fighter for a few reasons, first he never beat another great Heavyweight and he never climed of the canvas to win a fight.
But in his peak years his punching power and speed would make him dangerous for any fighter in history at least for the first 6 rounds. And would be too much for many.
In brief I would favour Ali, Holmes and Forman to beat him.
Mike Tyson is one of the most intense, aggresive fighters i've ever seen... I agree that in his prime he would have caused many great heavyweights problems... His hand speed, punching combinations and aggressive fighting style were simply amazing. I don't think he was very adaptive though... he seems to have one fighting style - "kill or be killed", and if it isn't working then he seems to be a bit lost.
I think that he would beat Ali in the first fight. I think his agressiveness from the opening bell, his speed and punching power would be too much for Ali(if he wasn't expecting it). However, if they had a rematch afterwards then I would probably favour Ali. He was a smart fighter that adapted to styles that caused him problems.
Tyson vs Foreman would be an awesome slugfest. I do think that George would win though, but you never know...
I think that he would beat Ali in the first fight. I think his agressiveness from the opening bell, his speed and punching power would be too much for Ali(if he wasn't expecting it). However, if they had a rematch afterwards then I would probably favour Ali. He was a smart fighter that adapted to styles that caused him problems.
Tyson vs Foreman would be an awesome slugfest. I do think that George would win though, but you never know...
Re: Mike Tyson
Nodog.jpegelmersalsa wrote:
Can he become Champion again???
Why can't people accept that Mike Tyson hasn't been in his prime for at least 15 years?
I don't know any other boxer thats been past his prime, but so many people still think is a world beater. Evander Holyfield is way past his prime, but you don't see people going on that he'll unify the division do you? (Except his management team.)
I don't know any other boxer thats been past his prime, but so many people still think is a world beater. Evander Holyfield is way past his prime, but you don't see people going on that he'll unify the division do you? (Except his management team.)
That's a question I have asked myself many times as well. One theory I have myself is that to a certain generation of fight fan, Mike Tyson is the biggest and most famous fighter that they grew up watching. Now that Tyson is an old fighter with fading skills it hard for certain fans to except this fact because in orfer to do this thay will have to face the fact that their own youth is also slipping away.ILikeBeer wrote:Why can't people accept that Mike Tyson hasn't been in his prime for at least 15 years?
We can't say his career has really improved though. If you look at Round 8 of Tyson's fight with Lewis in 2002. Tyson takes quite a beating during this round, ultimately ending in the "Great Knockout" of 2002.
http://watch.fightvid.com/?m=538
I think the problem is he tries to live up to his ego, and the hype around his career and style, and fails to prepare himself well before a fight. What do you think?
http://watch.fightvid.com/?m=538
I think the problem is he tries to live up to his ego, and the hype around his career and style, and fails to prepare himself well before a fight. What do you think?
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Like Liston, young Foreman and Duran, Tyson had the Intimidator style. He thrived on seeing his opponents mentally beaten before they ever entered the ring. He loved venting all his anger on the guy in front of him. But this approach has one big flaw - what happens when your opponent isn't impressed and comes in with his own plan to win? Liston had Ali. Foreman had Ali and Young. Duran had Leonard, and Tyson had Douglas - and then Holyfield and then Lewis. Liston quit twice, Foreman saw God, Duran said "no mas" and Tyson went cannibal. The Intimidators self destruct.
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Hes got a chance
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Lets give Tyson a chance. I know hes not in his prime, But look at it this way.
John Ruiz is not a big puncher, Cant take many solid punches and is also not in his prime.
Chris Byrd also is not a big puncher, Ike showed why Chris has for a chin
and hasnt been looking that great in past fights.
Klitschko is really the only one of those three I see beating Tyson. I think if he boxes tall he will tear Tyson apart in the long haul.
I do however think klitschko will lean in and get knocked out. These are just my thoughts, But even if you out box Tyson it only takes one punch (ask Botha).
Lets give Tyson a chance. I know hes not in his prime, But look at it this way.
John Ruiz is not a big puncher, Cant take many solid punches and is also not in his prime.
Chris Byrd also is not a big puncher, Ike showed why Chris has for a chin
and hasnt been looking that great in past fights.
Klitschko is really the only one of those three I see beating Tyson. I think if he boxes tall he will tear Tyson apart in the long haul.
I do however think klitschko will lean in and get knocked out. These are just my thoughts, But even if you out box Tyson it only takes one punch (ask Botha).
Lets face it the world NEVER saw Mike Tyson in his prime. He was finished before he got past 24 years old.
After Cus D'Amato died Tyson was never the same, his attitude to training, fighting and life in general went back into the gutter,
If he was to be motivated and trained properly then yes Mike could probably wipe the floor with any of todays top ten heavyweights.
Unfortunately I don't see that heppening.
Its a shame as he showed so much promise in his build up, but the writing was on the wall after Team Tyson was disbanded after the death of his mentor.
After Cus D'Amato died Tyson was never the same, his attitude to training, fighting and life in general went back into the gutter,
If he was to be motivated and trained properly then yes Mike could probably wipe the floor with any of todays top ten heavyweights.
Unfortunately I don't see that heppening.
Its a shame as he showed so much promise in his build up, but the writing was on the wall after Team Tyson was disbanded after the death of his mentor.
I am not so sure, I think we did see Tyson in his prime 86-88. There are countless stories of Tyson skipping training when Cus was still alive. There is also many stories of Tyson getting into trouble with women around the same time but that was always 'sorted out' by Jacubs and Clayton so there was never any charges or media attentionGordon wrote:Lets face it the world NEVER saw Mike Tyson in his prime. He was finished before he got past 24 years old.
After Cus D'Amato died Tyson was never the same, his attitude to training, fighting and life in general went back into the gutter,
If he was to be motivated and trained properly then yes Mike could probably wipe the floor with any of todays top ten heavyweights.
Unfortunately I don't see that heppening.
Its a shame as he showed so much promise in his build up, but the writing was on the wall after Team Tyson was disbanded after the death of his mentor.
Tyson either by nature or nurture always seemed to lack the maturity and focus to be a long reigning Champion and there has always been this 'train crash waiting to happen' feel about him.
Over the years, the more I think about it the more I think that if Cus had lived another 15 years that Tysons career would not have been massively different to how it has turned out.
Tyson and Rooney were very close once and Tyson sacked him, whats to say he would not have sacked Cus and Jimmy Jacubs if they had lived longer for instance?
That's a good point. It's really not all that different from talking to fans of, say, Marciano or Ali, who where just getting interested in boxing at the right time to be totally captivated by those guys. Especially if the fan in question doesn't have all that much of a sense of the history of the sport. The result? Some people believing right up until he died that Marciano could have come back and beaten Liston and Ali on back-to-ack weekends, or refusing to believe that Ali really had no shot in hell against Holmes.KOJOE90 wrote:That's a question I have asked myself many times as well. One theory I have myself is that to a certain generation of fight fan, Mike Tyson is the biggest and most famous fighter that they grew up watching. Now that Tyson is an old fighter with fading skills it hard for certain fans to except this fact because in orfer to do this thay will have to face the fact that their own youth is also slipping away.ILikeBeer wrote:Why can't people accept that Mike Tyson hasn't been in his prime for at least 15 years?
