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[Jesus]

i need some help...im looking for a fight that my father told me about. he said its from around the 50's-60's and said that the referee stopped the fight and declared the fight a no contest because neither fighter would engage. if anybody has any information on this i would greatly appreciate it.

[Panzerfaust]

A few more specifics would sure help, weight etc?

[Jesus]

A few more specifics would sure help, weight etc?

thats literally all the information i have. i would have thought it wouldnt need narrowing down much more than that. i mean how many fights got declared a no contest for the reasons i stated in the 50's and 60's?

[Goodnight, Irene]

I think you are going to need more info than that, I'm sorry to say. Not even the weightclass is a bad sign.

You will need to do some super-sleuthing, if you haven't already.

[jaclem2]

..this one is driving me nuts because i'm sure i saw the fight.

i thought it might have been either livio or aldo minelli against johnny saxton, but i checked the record in ring record book and box rec and it says there is a correction...at first it was recorded that the referee stopped the one against livio because he wasn't trying, but the correction says he stopped it because he was just so far outclassed.

referee harry kessler d.q.d lester felton because he wasn't trying against saxton - though newspaper reports said they bothg should have been tossed out.this may be the one i saw.

i don't know where else to check or where this is lodged in my mind.....but i think the referee was ruby goldstein...and i think it was in the middle divisions..welter or middie, i was certain saxton was involved but the record disputes this.


sorry - best i can do.

[jaclem2]

...well, maybe all isn't lost. i just checked ruby goldstein's autobio and he describes the saxton-livio minelli fight as saying "There was no fight, really." then in the seventh round he stops it and says to both, "That's enough. You can go home now." that's all he says but i'm sure at the time it was called no contest. i don't know how or when the record book shows differently. this must be the one I saw because the name minelli came at once to my miind, and this could be the one your father is thinking of.

[Counter-puncher]

nice sleuthing jaclem

[BoxBuzz]

jaclem has always been the "no contest" specialist.

It's his reporting on the various contested fights that still remain a shade suspect.

[jaclem2]

...boxbuzz is referring to the second charles/moore fight and he is under the delusion that the decision was suspect, despite the fact that moore was knocked down in the seventh round and spent the rest of the fight doing nothing.
it doesn't do any harm and it makes him happy so there's no problem.

[kikibalt]

I just seen this post. I seen that happen live once. It was between Amos "Big Train" Lincoln and Henry Clark, referee George Latka stopped the fight for lack of action, don't remember what round it was when it was stopped or the date other then it was in the mid-'60's. and it was at the Olympic in L.A.

[bennie]

You're right, Frankie. I was thinking of Ingo against Ed Sanders in the 1952 Olympics or our own Alan Minter against Jan Magdziarz in the early 1970s, when Minter was too wary of getting cut and Jan was content to dawdle along with him. Referee Harry Gibbs slung them both out.

[kikibalt]

You're right, Frankie. I was thinking of Ingo against Ed Sanders in the 1952 Olympics or our own Alan Minter against Jan Magdziarz in the early 1970s, when Minter was too wary of getting cut and Jan was content to dawdle along with him. Referee Harry Gibbs slung them both out.

Guess I still remember a few things Bennie.....